To those worried about not having their animus yet

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ll-Translation

"It's planned in a way that not many people will have finished the elements from the 2.2 patch by the time 2.25 is available."

Working as intended

Letter from the Producer, LVI (04/23/2014)

"I know some of our players have been looking forward to the continuation of the Zodiac Weapons quests that I mentioned in the recent letter LIVE, but the release of these new quests has been postponed. Our reasoning for this decision is, in brief:

-Many players still have yet to obtain an Animus weapon."

>_>

Tired of seeing that reason really annoys me lol

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Originally Posted by Miburo

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I seriously burst out laughing when I saw this.

Wasn't the entire point of RNG to make certain not a lot of players obtain their Atma/Animus within the 3 month time frame before 2.3 hits.

RNG itself never favored those who are dedicated nor skilled because no matter how dedicated or skilled you are the RNG will only favors those who are fotunate enough to win the RNG game.

Skills mean nothing against RNG and Dedication is just the amount of times you spent trying to beat the RNG Game.

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Originally Posted by Moheeheeko

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ll-Translation

"It's planned in a way that not many people will have finished the elements from the 2.2 patch by the time 2.25 is available."

Working as intended

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Not working as intended if you postpone a patch because what you considered reasonable was not.

But carry on with you hyperbole.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

Not working as intended if you postpone a patch because what you considered reasonable was not.

But carry on with you hyperbole.

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a month and a half of the forums being 60% atma QQ can change ones views apparently.

When the content was introduced a month ago, this was the expected and desired outcome, its only changing because lazy people whine 24/7

Also how am I exaggerating (the definition of hyperbole if you actually looked it up) by posting the Exact words of the creator of the game and pointing out that what he said is exactly where we are at?

nice attempt to use buzzwords to sound smart though.

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Originally Posted by Moheeheeko

When the content was introduced a month ago, this was the expected and desired outcome, its only changing because lazy people whine 24/7

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this is right in the fact the majority hates the atma animus quest line so yes it's changing.

it's wrong in saying lazy, has nothing to do with being lazy. just because someone puts 6 hoops in front of you to jump through doesn't mean you're lazy for not doing the tasks.

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Originally Posted by Moheeheeko

When the content was introduced a month ago, this was the expected and desired outcome, its only changing because lazy people whine 24/7
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Are you calling all of the people that have farmed Atma for 60+ hours with three drops lazy?

Laziness has nothing to do with it, it is pure luck. Grats on having gotten it spending less time than others, but it doesn't give you the priviilage of accusing others less fortunate of being lazy.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

I seriously burst out laughing when I saw this.

Wasn't the entire point of RNG to make certain not a lot of players obtain their Atma/Animus within the 3 month time frame before 2.3 hits.

RNG itself never favored those who are dedicated nor skilled because no matter how dedicated or skilled you are the RNG will only favors those who are fotunate enough to win the RNG game.

Skills mean nothing against RNG and Dedication is just the amount of times you spent trying to beat the RNG Game.

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Given the 2.25 letter, they need to flush out their intent behind the relic weapons. Are they intended to be acquired quickly? Are they intended to be acquired by everyone, regardless of raid status, by these patch releases? Etc

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Originally Posted by JTribal

Are you calling all of the people that have farmed Atma for 60+ hours with three drops lazy?

Laziness has nothing to do with it, it is pure luck. Grats on having gotten it spending less time than others, but it doesn't give you the priviilage of accusing others less fortunate of being lazy.

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on the contrary, I have 2, and ive gone long hours trying myself.

see, THAT was a hyperbole.

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Originally Posted by JTribal

Are you calling all of the people that have farmed Atma for 60+ hours with three drops lazy?

Laziness has nothing to do with it, it is pure luck. Grats on having gotten it spending less time than others, but it doesn't give you the priviilage of accusing others less fortunate of being lazy.

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Don't even bother, people that defend Atma are just goblins that want the rest of the community to not have the shinies they were lucky to get, or some kind of bizarre white knight from XI that feels like this is a stealth Tanaka resurgence and want it to be so.

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Originally Posted by SionDurant

Don't even bother, people that defend Atma are just goblins that want the rest of the community to not have the shinies they were lucky to get, or some kind of bizarre white knight from XI that feels like this is a stealth Tanaka resurgence and want it to be so.

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lets see, do I have atma yet? no.

Did I enjoy XI? hell no.

try again.

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Originally Posted by SionDurant

Don't even bother, people that defend Atma are just goblins that want the rest of the community to not have the shinies they were lucky to get, or some kind of bizarre white knight from XI that feels like this is a stealth Tanaka resurgence and want it to be so.

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This needs to stop. There is nothing in the zodiac quest line that even remotely resembles the relic quests from XI. It's fine if you didn't like the game but please, this comment just makes you sound ignorant and vindictive.

I personally loved XI, despite its flaws. I also think the zodiac quest line in its entirety reeks of developers trying to cut corners. Stop trying to generalize others.

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Originally Posted by Ferth

This needs to stop. There is nothing in the zodiac quest line that even remotely resembles the relic quests from XI. It's fine if you didn't like the game but please, this comment just makes you sound ignorant and vindictive.

I personally loved XI, despite its flaws. I also think the zodiac quest line in its entirety reeks of developers trying to cut corners. Stop trying to generalize others.

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Completely agree on every point. Also a former XI player /w 2 relics.

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Originally Posted by Moheeheeko

on the contrary, I have 2, and ive gone long hours trying myself.

see, THAT was a hyperbole.

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I don't need you to tell me what a hyperbole is, but congratulations on your two Atma drops.

My point is that the entire Atma thing is not fair because A. It's not really testing someone elses skills and B. someone that has spent the same amount of time grinding as you have may have their weapon while you only have two drops.

It's called having empathy, try it out sometime.

It took me about a week and a half of grinding, at two hours a day, to get all my Atma. Am I glad the grind is finally over? Heck yeah. Do I think the grind is just fine? Heck no. It needs to change. There were times I got so frustrated with the grind that, in order to keep from breaking my keyboard, I had to quit playing FFXIV and go off and do something else. I'm personally hoping that when 2.28 goes live, they at the VERY least, lower the Myth costs on the books and/or increase the drop rate on the Atma. Just making the books cost 1000 Myth rather than 1500 would make that part much faster, without needing to 'nerf' the actual challenges. Though, personally, I'd prefer the Atma drop rate buff. >>

2 pages in and this turned in an atma QQ thread

GG community

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Originally Posted by Gelesto

2 pages in and this turned in an atma QQ thread

GG community

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The entire purpose of this thread was to complain about people complaining about atma drops. I'm curious as to what you thought the outcome would be.

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Originally Posted by Ferth

This needs to stop. There is nothing in the zodiac quest line that even remotely resembles the relic quests from XI. It's fine if you didn't like the game but please, this comment just makes you sound ignorant and vindictive.

I personally loved XI, despite its flaws. I also think the zodiac quest line in its entirety reeks of developers trying to cut corners. Stop trying to generalize others.

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Relic in XI was also something aimed at the very hardcore players, it wasn't something everyone could get. Many players knew they weren't going to get it, and they were ok with it.

It's a pretty bad comparison all around.

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Originally Posted by Welsper59

Given the 2.25 letter, they need to flush out their intent behind the relic weapons. Are they intended to be acquired quickly? Are they intended to be acquired by everyone, regardless of raid status, by these patch releases? Etc

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It's very clear now they want everyone to have it and to earn it in a week tops

To me, I think the books were meant to be the long grindy part, not so much with the ATMA. They failed with RNG before. Hello T1 drops.

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Originally Posted by IfritReborn

It's very clear now they want everyone to have it and to earn it in a week tops

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You're making a very dramatic assumption, as you have no details on what, if any, changes are being made. If they hand out Animus weapons to everyone on a silver platter after this, then complain.

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Originally Posted by JTribal

(snip)Laziness has nothing to do with it, it is pure luck...(snip)

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I decided to do a little atma farming with an FC mate. I myself haven't been too lucky, but he had spent 6 hours farming this area.

Anyway, 3 fates into it, I got an atma. Told him so, he said "grats!" but I still offered to do more to help him. 30 minutes later, he gave up. Meanwhile, and I didn't have the heart to say so, I had gotten a SECOND one.

I still don't atma farm on a regular basis. Two hours at a time is enough for me every 3 or 4 days. Still only 4 atma and one duplicat though.

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Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP

You're making a very dramatic assumption, as you have no details on what, if any, changes are being made. If they hand out Animus weapons to everyone on a silver platter after this, then complain.

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It is indeed pretty dramatic. At best Yoshi is probably taken aback at how many people are stuck at the farming Atma stage.

I doubt the Atma to Animus stage will be changed at all, but the Zenith to Atma stage will definitely see some changes. Having something be so hugely dependent on RNG is terrible, especially when the drop rate is coming in at 5% or so. We'll probably see an increase to about 30%. I will also guess that in the coming days he will explain how the Atma stage was supposed to be a way of having high levels help out lowbies complete FATEs at a more normal frequency.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

Not working as intended if you postpone a patch because what you considered reasonable was not.

But carry on with you hyperbole.

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I'm absolutely stunned this is still an active thread after this bomb hit it.

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Originally Posted by DarkStar

It took me about a week and a half of grinding, at two hours a day, to get all my Atma. Am I glad the grind is finally over? Heck yeah. Do I think the grind is just fine? Heck no. It needs to change. There were times I got so frustrated with the grind that, in order to keep from breaking my keyboard, I had to quit playing FFXIV and go off and do something else.

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I don't understand why people go after the Atmas like it's the only content in the game to do.

I think it's working as intended but people still managed to race through it (luck/time) and to prevent those from getting to far ahead they are holding off. I think it's good. Make people sit back and relax. No need to bum rush patches and beat it within a month

What Yoshi P said could still be consistent if when he originally said that most people will not have finished the Atma quests he expected a certain percentage to have finished it, and the overall average to have progressed X books through, but considering they are delaying the next step, the reality is probably that the overall progress is nowhere near where they expected it to be.

I finished my Fate Grind the first weekend, but I would still gladly see it nerfed into oblivion.

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Originally Posted by Miburo

Letter from the Producer, LVI (04/23/2014)

"I know some of our players have been looking forward to the continuation of the Zodiac Weapons quests that I mentioned in the recent letter LIVE, but the release of these new quests has been postponed. Our reasoning for this decision is, in brief:

-Many players still have yet to obtain an Animus weapon."

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I don't think that it mean that they delayed the next quest because not many players have already their weapon, but that they decide to work still on it to make it better because not many players have their weapon already. Better make only some players now angry than many players latter the moment they hit the unpolished next tier (maybe a new grind).

[QUOTE=AlrikRouge;2056039]Anyway, 3 fates into it, I got an atma. Told him so, he said "grats!" but I still offered to do more to help him. 30 minutes later, he gave up. Meanwhile, and I didn't have the heart to say so, I had gotten a SECOND one.

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Exactly! A freind of mine wanted me to group with him for Atma farming the other day. Five minutes after I joned his party, I got an Atma. How long had he been there? More than five HOURS. So I tell him, we teleport to a different zone, five minutes in, I get ANOTHER Atma. I felt horrible.

Granted, I haven't gotten one since, and I've spent more than a few hours farming in Southern (I think) Thanalan.

The system is flawed.

^^^ Eww, no idea how I managed to screw that qoute up so bad...

Anywho, I have a feeling they may have adjusted the drop rate in the patch. Might not say it on the notes, but based on the number of complaints I can see SE doing this without telling everyone as to avoid upsetting the masochists that enjoyed farming forever and a day to get their drops (That's a joke by the way, no sense in getting offended for me using the term masochist).

Not really worried the game will still be here tomorrow and beyond.

If you just keep plugging at it, you'll get it. Thats the way I like to think about it, and it actually gives me something to do between raids and primals.