SMN macros

I play a SCH so I am familiar with macros, I have just about every one of my actions on my hotbar tied with some sort of a macro. I am just wondering what the basics are for SMN macros or could you at least point me in the right direction of a thread with them listed? I want to start playing my SMN. Just wondering things like, do you macro Raging Strikes with something and do you macro your pet's basic attacks with your attacks so they also attack when you have them on obey? I am a console player on PS4 just FYI. Thanks!

You macro swiftcast and res together. You can also put Swiftcast and summons together but it doesnt always work.
You use a <TT> macro with eye for an eye so you can throw it on your tank without getting off the enemy.

That's about it.

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Originally Posted by Madoka

You macro swiftcast and res together. You can also put Swiftcast and summons together but it doesnt always work.
You use a <TT> macro with eye for an eye so you can throw it on your tank without getting off the enemy.

That's about it.

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I'm pretty sure it's a little more involved than that...

http://ffxiv.zam.com/forum.html?foru...56929202215376

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Originally Posted by EvianEverdeen

I'm pretty sure it's a little more involved than that...

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Actually that's really is it. There's nothing really worth chaining together contagion with another SMN ability so it's almost always better to put Contagion on the hotbar to use at your leisure (example: Let's say we're far from the boss making Miasma II useless, I'd Contagion during Fester, but if I'm up close where Miasma II is a minor damage increase, I'd Contagion during Shadow Flare)

Only other macros I'd recommend would be:

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/micon "Rouse"
/ac "Rouse"
/ac "Spur"
/ac "Raging Strikes"

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And

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/micon "Bane"
/ac "Bane"
/pac "Aerial Slash"

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But all macros are incredibly optional, I only use them to conserve hotbar space.

If you really want you can macro /p messages to your debuffs like "/p Virus used on <t>! <se.3>"

Oh, and setting your Egi on Obey will make them use their auto attack when the cooldown for the autoattack is finished. No need to macro in the attack to your own. Obey is even used to reassign targets. Egi's attacking the Spiny Plume? Use Obey on Garuda and the Egi will ignore the spiny

The following macros are what I currently use for SMN:

This macro is when you aren't having to dodge... Definitely not recommended for Titan Ex, for him you may want to use your abilities manually.

Combo 1

/macroicon "Bio II"
/action "Raging Strikes" <me> <wait.1>
/action "Bio II" <t> <wait.3>
/action "Miasma" <t> <wait.3>
/action "Bio" <t> <wait.1>
/action "Fester" <t> <wait.1>
/action "Miasma II" <me> <wait.1>
/petaction "Contagion" <t>
/echo <<<<<--END MACRO!!-->>>>> <se.7>

Then followed up by:

Combo 2

/macroicon "Ruin II"
/action "Ruin II" <t> <wait.1>
/action "Virus" <t> <wait.1>
/action "Rouse" <me> <wait.1>
/action "Spur" <me> <wait.1>
/action "Ruin" <t> <wait.3>
/action "Ruin II" <t> <wait.1>
/action "Fester" <t>
/echo <<<<<--END MACRO!!-->>>>> <se.10>


Summoning Macro (Always works)

/macroicon "Summon"
/action "Swiftcast" <me>
/action "Summon" <me> <wait.1>
/action "Summon" <me>

Resurrection Macro

/macroicon "Resurrection"
/action "Swiftcast" <me>
/action "Resurrection" <t> <wait.1>
/action "Resurrection" <t>

Shadow Flare Macro

/macroicon "Shadow Flare"
/action "Swiftcast" <me>
/action "Shadow Flare" <wait.1>
/action "Shadow Flare"

Sorry but your combo macros are highly inefficient. It's highly unrecommended to use GCD abilities in macros as such because it's much slower then you using the abilities yourself. SMN already has a slow ramp up time compared to the other DPS. Like this you're ensuring you're even futhur behind.

Believe me when I say that .5 second GCD you're losing adds up over time very quickly. Let's say this is during the first 10 seconds of a fight. I need only 2.5 seconds max to get off all I need. 7.5 seconds I already have my 3 DoTs up, I've already used Fester and I'm working on either Shadow Flare + Contagion or Miasma 2 + Contagion during the GCD depending on where I need to be positioned for the boss. For you: 10 seconds and you've just finished your first Fester

Another thing wrong about your macros is how early you seem to be using Virus. Virus is best saved for when you know a big attack is about to hit. If you waste Virus as such and the boss readies his attack "Oh crap Antibody's up"
Looking at it, you most likely won't get 2 Festers during 1 Raging Strikes duration because of all the seconds you've lost relying on Macros and that extra .5 second you're using per skill

Let's be real.. highly inefficient? Not the words I would use. This is only an opening combo that I use at the beginning of a fight and not used again since a SMNs rotation changes throughout the fight. I am ALWAYS 2nd on list when there is a BLM and 1st when there isn't.. So, I hear ya, but do not agree with my experience.

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Originally Posted by NintenPyjak64

Let's say this is during the first 10 seconds of a fight. I need only 2.5 seconds max to get off all I need. 7.5 seconds I already have my 3 DoTs up, I've already used Fester and I'm working on either Shadow Flare + Contagion or Miasma 2 + Contagion during the GCD depending on where I need to be positioned for the boss. For you: 10 seconds and you've just finished your first Fester

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I believe your math is off dude. In 7.5 Seconds you have all 3 abilities + Fester, takes me 8 seconds not 10. (Honestly cant believe a debate of split seconds)

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Originally Posted by NintenPyjak64

Another thing wrong about your macros is how early you seem to be using Virus. Virus is best saved for when you know a big attack is about to hit. If you waste Virus as such and the boss readies his attack "Oh crap Antibody's up"
Looking at it, you most likely won't get 2 Festers during 1 Raging Strikes duration because of all the seconds you've lost relying on Macros and that extra .5 second you're using per skill

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Yes I agree Virus is to be timed and fair point but there are not too many times where I feel a virus is needed in the first 2 min of a fight.

To the point of having 2 Festers with 1 Raging Strike, I feel your math is wrong again. combo takes 18-19 seconds, Raging Strike is 20s.. I haven't seen an issue where my 2nd macro didn't complete in time for Fester during Raging Strike

Macros are for lazy people and lazy dps are the bottom feeders of dps.

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Originally Posted by Bunsen

Let's be real.. highly inefficient? Not the words I would use. This is only an opening combo that I use at the beginning of a fight and not used again since a SMNs rotation changes throughout the fight. I am ALWAYS 2nd on list when there is a BLM and 1st when there isn't.. So, I hear ya, but do not agree with my experience.

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The enmity bar is a terrible way to gauge DPS fyi. The only real way to gauge is a DPS is pulling their required weight is through parsers which, unfortunatly, SE has outlawed since people use them for A) More then parsing, and B) Because rotten eggs harass others for lower DPS

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Originally Posted by Seobit

Macros are for lazy people and lazy dps are the bottom feeders of dps.

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That is why macros were designed in game? If that is what you believe, explain why have them at all?

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Originally Posted by NintenPyjak64

The enmity bar is a terrible way to gauge DPS fyi.

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.../sigh

Cause lazy people can play games too.

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Originally Posted by Seobit

Macros are for lazy people and lazy dps are the bottom feeders of dps.

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Macros are about efficiency. I am coming from SCH and want to get the most out of SMN like I do with my SCH macros.

You will not get the most out of your SMN with macros. That's all there is to it. Yeah they're great to tie embrace to your physicks and such but it just doesn't work that way for SMN. Your Egi will always hit the enemy you tell them to and just clicking obey with a different target is all you need to make them switch. You can still have them use any other skill on something you're targetting even if it's not their target.

Macros round up to the nearest second and are not the fastest at going off anyway. Every single 2.5 wait becomes a 3s wait and macros are not adept at using off-GCD moves when you're on CD. I can Swiftcast shadow flare and pop rouse and spur just in time to start casting ruin as my GCD comes off, a macro could never do that.

I think what also needs to be considered here.. Controller vs Mouse/Keyboard. Players who use a controller playing on PS3/PS4 would benefit from macros I feel more than someone who is on mouse and keyboard.

Outside of placing the pet the PS4 crossbars are fine if you know how to use them.

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Originally Posted by Bunsen

.../sigh

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You can /sigh all you want, the enmity bar really is a horrible way to gauge DPS.

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Originally Posted by Madoka

Outside of placing the pet the PS4 crossbars are fine if you know how to use them.

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I guess we will have to agree to disagree.. because this comment here, I totally disagree. Everyone has their system.

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

You can /sigh all you want, the enmity bar really is a horrible way to gauge DPS.

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Do you really think I was talking about the enmity bar?

Not using any macros. Aside from the calls of Eye for an Eye, Resurrection and Virus.

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I am ALWAYS 2nd on list when there is a BLM and 1st when there isn't..

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In most current end-game fights (both Coils, EX primals) SMN should parse way more damage than BLM. The only exception is Brayflox SR for myth tomes.

Summoner has superior single target damage, a black mage wont beat it nor come close to it.
Assuming both are equally skilled players that know their class to perfection.

The black mage will destroy the summoner in AOE damge, not because summoner is bad, but because black mage is pure burst damage that doesnt stop, while summoner has to set up their cooldowns/dots, spread them, and they can only hit up to 3 targets with bane, so they have to switch to another undoted enemy and reaplly + bane again.

Just that factor will make blm come on top on instances where AoE damage is dominant. yet on same instances against a boss, you will see the summoner winning the race over the black mage, i have seen the differences to be about 20 to 30% in some cases with two equally geared casters and knowledgable players.

This is my macro for Contagion. Works like a charm and I don't need to constantly spam Contagion button just to order Garuda to apply it.

/pac Contagion
/wait 1
/pac Contagion
/wait 1
/pac Contagion

Ok, I know it sounds a bit stupid since "Why repeated Contagion?". This is to ensure Garuda-Egi WILL apply Contagion with a single click on command.
I don't like macro'ing Swiftcast since there's a lot of usage for it for example Swiftcast+Shadowflare. Also in T5, you might forgot to apply a dot on Twintania and Conflaguration landed on a random teammate. For example Miasma isn't applied (Probably cast interrupted or just forgot to apply it). Swiftcast+Miasma works perfectly and saved 2.3 seconds worth of cast time that determines your life and death(?).

Other than my most useful macro, I don't have anymore. I do have some macro attached on basic skill but that's more into party/raid communication such as Ressurection, Eye 4 Eye, and Virus macro.

When I was using obey this are the macros I used:
First
/pac “Obey” <t>
/wait 4
/pac “Shockwave” <t>
/pac “Earthen Ward”
/pac “Radiant Shield”
Second
/pac “Crimson Cyclone” <t>
/pac “Mountain Buster” <t>
/pac “aerial Slash” <t>
Third
/pac ‘Contagion”
/pac “Flaming Crush” <t>
/pac “landslide” <t>
I stopped using obey after feeling that I haven’t been in a party worth that much control.
I now switch pets often now to the needs of the party.

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Originally Posted by Seobit

Macros are for lazy people and lazy dps are the bottom feeders of dps.

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highly false. there are plenty of places in this game where macros make the player more efficient.

I do use these macros all the time:
/ac “Bio” <t>
/wait 2.5
/ac “Miasma” <t>
/wait 2.5
/ac “Bio II” <t>
I put Bio first so if I move at least I did something
/ac “Rouse”
/wait 1
/ac “Spur”
/wait 1
/ac “Virus” <t>
This is the only way I can use Virus (PS3 user) its changeling switching hotbars.
I did use Ranging Strikes & Hawk’s Eye. Just the cool down makes them completely useless.

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Originally Posted by LexSunfire

highly false. there are plenty of places in this game where macros make the player more efficient.

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she's absolutely right when you use GCD abilities as this thread mentions. It's highly efficient for mostly oGCD abilities, in this case Fester, Bane, Spur, Rouse, Swift cast, Raging Strikes, etc. Like for the macros I pointed in my original post.

@who is the killer; bio 2 should always be first because it has the longest duration and Bio 1 last because it has the shortest. Raging Strikes is our best offensive cool down, hawk's eye is the only useless one

Hold on now! I ask Bards to rotate targets. do to if they're not hitting tanks targets they easily pull agro.
and if you want pet to hit tanks target, just cast heal on tank when tank first hits.

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Originally Posted by NintenPyjak64

she's absolutely right when you use GCD abilities as this thread mentions.

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i'm just disagreeing with the whole blanket statement that only lazy people use macros and players who don't want to be "lazy" should never ever use macros. GCD abilities shouldn't be macro'd. I agree. I just think it's dumb to tell players that they should never ever use macros because that means they're lazy and won't ever be top of the dps. I use macros in certain situations. i'm usually near the top of the dps list.

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Originally Posted by whoisthekiller

Hold on now! I ask Bards to rotate targets. do to if they're not hitting tanks targets they easily pull agro.
and if you want pet to hit tanks target, just cast heal on tank when tank first hits.

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If I want to designate my egi's target, I hit my F2 for Obey, and I don't understand what you're trying to say with the first sentence. Controller users don't need macros to be 100% efficient. It took me a simple reddit search to find how to set up skills optimally for SMN

I like you.
Well I keep redoing my hot bars (PS3) like my summon pets is on bar 2 so in a fight when I summon pet. and then go back to fighting I'll forget to go back to bar1. I finally moved Sprint and put Raging Strikes there, do to bar 1 place is Run II. it's really tough when I Rez a party member.

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Originally Posted by LexSunfire

i'm just disagreeing with the whole blanket statement that only lazy people use macros and players who don't want to be "lazy" should never ever use macros. GCD abilities shouldn't be macro'd. I agree. I just think it's dumb to tell players that they should never ever use macros because that means they're lazy and won't ever be top of the dps. I use macros in certain situations. i'm usually near the top of the dps list.

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I'll agree with you then. I find macroing together various buffs and oGCD abilities efficient enough when it saves me space on my bar. Before when I did my AoEs I did Ctrl + 4 for Bane, Ctrl + 5 for Aerial Slash. Now I simply just hit Ctrl + 4 because I'd always forget to hit Ctrl + 5. Only time this becomes an issue is when I'm in T6 and I hit my Obey hotkey to sick Garuda on the middle bulb and it cancels out Aerial Slash (Since I like to keep 2 Aetherflow before Tethers for Bane then Fester on that bulb)

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Originally Posted by whoisthekiller

I like you.
Well I keep redoing my hot bars (PS3) like my summon pets is on bar 2 so in a fight when I summon pet. and then go back to fighting I'll forget to go back to bar1. I finally moved Sprint and put Raging Strikes there, do to bar 1 place is Run II. it's really tough when I Rez a party member.

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I was typing from Mobile and was in a slight rush to do something irl that I didn't really get my point across very well

At the start of a fight I have my Egi on Steady. The second I see the tank land Tomahawk/Shield Lob, I hit my Obey key, start buffing up, then begin the fight. If you can find a way to set up your bars so you don't have to use GCD abilities in a macro, then you should be good to go. Having oGCD abilities in macros won't harm you, and always save Virus for key times, it's always a waste to use it when a big attack won't be happening.

Just follow this rule of thumb: If your macros require <wait.X> or /wait X, it's not fit for battle

As a SMN the only macros worth using are a Spur/Rouse macro, swiftcast/garuda macro, and possibly a swiftcast/rez macro, anything else is a certain loss to dps. You don't want your dots on a macro, because this completely removes the ability to properly clip dots, which will ultimately cost you extra damage (An optimal dot rotation is something like Bio2>Miasma>Bio>Bio>Miasma>Bio2>Bio>Miasma>Bio>repeat Reapplying Miasma and bio2 with about 4 seconds left on the timer, Bio with about 2.)

I will agree, for some classes, especially BRD, macroing your abilities is very beneficial. SMN unfortunately, is not one of those classes.