Create More Ways to Acquire Atma: Through Dungeons, Guildhests and quality of life

Primary Goal:
Create different methods of gaining Atma

Short Version
Problem:
Due to low drops rates many players feel frustration from farming FATEs to acquire atma, there is only one method to acquire Atma

Solution:
To alleviate some players woes create a random drop table, of all atmas, upon completion of a dungeon, and or guildhest.

Benefits:
-Players can work towards progressing their Atma weapons
-Acquiring their soldiery and myth
-They will have more variety in acquiring Atmas
-Players will feel a better sense of progression
-players can participate in duty roulette and still work towards their atmas
-more incentive to participate in duty roulette
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Secondary Goal:
Create a character configuration settings to "Auto Level Sync" when within range of a FATE

Problem:
Some players, new and old, can not always succeed in a FATE because of configuration to Level Sync to a FATE resulting in a lower score, and often not even participating in the FATE, due to the vast number of players participating in FATEs

Solution:
Create an "Auto Level Sync" setting.

Benefit:
-Players can choose to participate in fates with ease and struggle less to rush to the level sync
-Players can turn off the Hud in the UI for the duty list, if they choose to.

-Note-
You can macro a level sync bind key or enter a command in the chat.
The command is as follows;
/lsync
(credits to: A_Magical_Unicorn_Rider )

Some players would prefer not to press a button every time they need to level sync a level sync setting
may still be preferred by some players.
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They did add a macro command to level sync. Should prob bind it somewhere for ease of use.

i had the same opinion as you, that atma is just mindless time consuming grind.Actually, SE did this only because people asked for open world content(lol). I agree that more ways of acquiring atmas is good only because the grind begins after and atma is just a visual (!) pleasure with no real upgrade. However, i started this week doing some fates although i got nervous on the 2nd fate already but slowly i started getting them. I put some music and i all i did was doing up to 10 fates in each area, if i didnt get something i changed area. So far i have 2 atma left but this "strategy" worked pretty well for me. Yesterday in 2-3 hours i got 4 just by changing areas. Maybe i am just lucky...

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Originally Posted by ruskie

They did add a macro command to level sync. Should prob bind it somewhere for ease of use.

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I did not know that! Thank you for the information! I would be extremely grateful for more details on that macro if you could please provide it!

However, adding the setting would be a quality of life thing, thus is of low priority, that way players don't have to create another bind to be able to conveniently level sync.

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Originally Posted by TallonOverworld

i had the same opinion as you, that atma is just mindless time consuming grind.Actually, SE did this only because people asked for open world content(lol). I agree that more ways of acquiring atmas is good only because the grind begins after and atma is just a visual (!) pleasure with no real upgrade. However, i started this week doing some fates although i got nervous on the 2nd fate already but slowly i started getting them. I put some music and i all i did was doing up to 10 fates in each area, if i didnt get something i changed area. So far i have 2 atma left but this "strategy" worked pretty well for me. Yesterday in 2-3 hours i got 4 just by changing areas. Maybe i am just lucky...

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Congratulations! I hope you get all your atmas in a timely manner! :p

This was an excellent way to get players out into the open world, it succeeded in a sense, but players want to immerse themselves in Eorzea, I know I want to

search the nooks and crannies for secrets and lore! Players will enjoy the open world more if they don't have to rush to get to a FATE and focus on their map to see

where the next FATE is!

Thank you both for your input! I have come up with another suggestion to FATEs and I will have to create another thread!

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Originally Posted by CrimzunAeoun

I did not know that! Thank you for the information! I would be extremely grateful for more details on that macro if you could please provide it!

However, adding the setting would be a quality of life thing, thus is of low priority, that way players don't have to create another bind to be able to conveniently level sync.

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If you can't find it, you can make one of your own. Under user macros just enter:

/lsync

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Originally Posted by A_Magical_Unicorn_Rider

If you can't find it, you can make one of your own. Under user macros just enter:

/lsync

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Thank you! I have credited you in the first post!

With the release of patch 2.25 SE has made it clear that at least for the next part of the Zodiac Quest,

the "novus" will have multiple methods of obtaining the necessary upgrade items!

However I hope SE also considers such methods with Atma. Looking forward to Patch 2.28!

Lets continue providing feedback on all aspects of the game and see what SE decides to do!

Now, everyone can likely agree that FATES being the only method of progression is not terribly fun or fulfilling, so I have three solutions that may help with this:

Make the Atmas drop even without the Zenith equipped, needing only Up in Arms completed.

This has the added benefit of allowing a player to level a different class through FATEs at their own leisure, effectively allowing a player to eventually get more options for playing.

Tweak FATE rewards to scale with level.

This allows a player to choose any area to their liking, and still acquire the same reward. This also leads to a more linear progression that synergizes with the prospect of leveling a different class while acquiring their Atmas.

Next post has the third.

The last one is optional:

Increase rewards for FATE success.

This should bring FATEs on par with dungeons, once again offering additional options for a player's progress.
Time needed to complete a FATE versus time taken to complete a dungeon should be taken into consideration to bring both of these into equilibrium. Failure to do so will result in either things continuing along the state they are, or area congestion.
Successful implementation has the added benefit of providing DPS classes with some content variety while their wait for their chronically-long queue times.

I defer to game designers more experienced than your typical gamer for this. If you go along this path, proceed carefully.

Thank you for reading.

I realized now that threatening to quit isn't going to work, and neither would boycotting the game. This is an extension of the litigious nature of many myriad entities: "I'll angrily threaten to get what I want". This is not effective, nor conducive to a healthy... well, anything.

The best way to be heard is to calmly offer solutions. Maybe they'll listen, maybe they won't. If all else fails, I'll pace myself through the atmas just as I paced myself through the Zenith weapons and enjoy it as best I can, relic or not.

...I do wish the story weapon did not rely on RNG, though.

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Originally Posted by Chickenbacca

I cancelled my auto subscription today. Not interested in a game where skill and time played are no factor. They can have their Random garbage but they won't get my money anymore. No word on an actual fix to the drops just blowing smoke at us to milk it out more. Loved this game too however, their garbage ffxi randomness poisoned it. I don't look forward to logging on anymore and all because of this tragic random garbage. They never said they were going to make it right nor have they come out and said look this is garbage we really messed up.They don't care about the players just their profits.

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The skill based weapons lie within the second turn of coil, and buried in the scales of Leviathan's rotten corpse. The Zodiac weapon lineage is intended as an alternate route for those players that are not running coil and downing the extreme modes, who, can put in a few hours here and there and eventually get a prize.

Additionally, they released the Zodiac questline to players with the preface that it was RNG based and it was a very low percentage. They in fact do care about players, because many players previously complained that Relics were too easy to get and they got bored a few weeks after patch as there was nothing to work towards. They are attempting to straddle the desires of both casual and hardcore player bases with the Solidery Wpns vs the Atma Wpns.

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Originally Posted by AscendantManes

I realized now that threatening to quit isn't going to work, and neither would boycotting the game. This is an extension of the litigious nature of many myriad entities: "I'll angrily threaten to get what I want". This is not effective, nor conducive to a healthy... well, anything.

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I semi agree and there has been a lot of good ideas from the player base. However, the recent "fix" to the ATMA ICON COLOR is really a big giant c**k slap across the face for all dedicated fans to this game (myself included). I propose an alternate method of reach to them. Submit bug tickets after every 10 fates because those drop rates are obviously bugged and working against the initial design of this pro-multi-class-on-one-character game.

its very simple just raise the drop rate or change it number of fates performed. hey after over 300 fates and no atma it BS. titan took me a long time but thats because i had to learn the battle and move right as well as the reward of beating him. this a reward of endless grinding , of rushing to area and mindless botton pushing , give me something to go on . so say after 1000 fates you get atma great im into that i know a goal and the out come of my work gives me a reward . just think you pay them to give you good content, is this it? NO!

It's a slim minority of people that wanted this crap go take your lame excuses somewhere else like back to ffxi.

Yes, I was hoping for a bit more than just an icon color change when they released the Letter from the Producer.

I'm not even going to try hard to get an Atma anymore. Once I get back, I'll be playing as though the Zodiac weapons don't exist. However, keeping quiet will not be conducive to any change, positive or otherwise---so I'll continue to insist that they change it.

I suggest that we all refrain from using threats, and rude language to make a point.
While also remaining on topic.
This quest line has potential it just needs tweaks, with patch 2.25 SE said they are taking our feedback into consideration let's continue
Making concise problem and solution threads!

I would like to suggest to SE for future content of similar nature and or adjustments to the current atma system that creating break points would be better for players.

For example instead of needing all 12 Atmas to start on books players will have a better sense of progression if After 4 Atmas you can acquire 3 books. And then After you complete 3 books you can have to search for the next 4 Atmas and so on.

been grinding for at least 20 hours. I have yet to get 1 Atma. I tried various locations. Running around chasing rainbows. What kills me is some get them on 1or2 tries. people have gotten all from grinding for 12 hours straight. I put in 6 hours one night. Another 5 hours two nights ago, still nothing. SE really screwed everyone. I have a ton of shields from NM's FATE but no Atma. What makes me even more mad was a friend in my FC joined a fate I was in from the beginning that I had full aggro on the entire Fate, with about a minute left he joined and got the ATMA. Is that fair? They really need to do something to make this fair. The entire situation is making me not even want to play. I broke my butt to get my zenith so I could get my atma. It's been a week full of grinding fates with nothing but frustration. SE should give Lv 50's some tomes for investing the time. I wouldn't mind it if I got something. I know this quest is not supposed to be easy. But this is ridiculous.

They could just incorporate FFIX chocobo hot and cold treasure hunting into our atma grinding. For each fate there will be a visual direction in they sky telling where is your next atma drop. Once you found the correct fate location you have two choices to get your drop
1) you can just grind that fate, while you are not grinindg you have the privilege to change job DOL/ DOH to DOW/DOM without any reset penalty.
2) allow decphired treasure map to be sold in the market, player doing atma quest buying treasure map showing location similar to their indicated atma drop location have a very high chance to drop atma or even a hollow atma which requires you to charge up to become a zodiac atma.

Currently We are just running aimlessly around a map have to stuck with a certain job spaming the same boring crap indefintely, which is worse then old school rpd grind. In the old days we grind at least one day for an item or level which does aid progression but now grinding 3 days can nets you nothing and this is crazy.

Random Thoughts and Expectations:
I expect SE will increase the Atma drop rate with patch 2.3, if not prior
I hope the cost of the Atma books will be lowered ( I honestly think it's fine where it's at, but I'd still prefer if they were cheaper)
Maybe have ATMAs stones also be a low chance reward from Retainer Quick Ventures? If your character has a Zenith weapon, of course
I'm scared of what the Sphere Scrolls (used to obtain Novus relic) will take to aquire/complete. If these need to be purchased with Soldiery tomes, thus stunting the gearing of my alts, I'll be moderately upset, in addition to feeling obligated to do it, and subsequently doing it anyways.

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Originally Posted by skho01

I semi agree and there has been a lot of good ideas from the player base. However, the recent "fix" to the ATMA ICON COLOR is really a big giant c**k slap across the face for all dedicated fans to this game (myself included). I propose an alternate method of reach to them. Submit bug tickets after every 10 fates because those drop rates are obviously bugged and working against the initial design of this pro-multi-class-on-one-character game.

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The only thing you get that is a bunch of angry GM's that have the right to ban you for wasting their time.

I've suggested this before- the easier atma becomes the more reasons we give SE to lower the end cap for each relic tier.

Are you sure you want to risk that?

We should have subtle tweaks to atma, or the risk of having an inferior weapon rises. Think Allaghan versus Zenith.

At first I thought going back to those zones and doing fates was fun. I missed a lot of those and didn't really explore those areas fully. After a while that novelty wears off.

The problem I have with the atma grind is the HOURS I spend without REWARD.
Don't get me wrong, I believe gameplay should be its own reward. Grinding like this is not. These are hours I could spend doing anything else in the real world - and actually started doing.

I spent 5 hours trying to get an atma - didn't. I can afford to spend a couple of hours a night playing. That's three nights I did not have fun playing the game or get a reward. I won't be doing this when I literally get nothing in return - no enjoyment or loot.

Why not give us a QUEST RING, one that can we WORN BY ANY CLASS, that will ALLOW ATMA DROPS. Heck, I could have been leveling my Gladiator or Archer all this time while fate grinding. That would encourage people to try/level other classes.

A simple version, maybe just make ATMA to be obtained from Challenge Log (or achievement reward),
most people will not complain even it takes many fates if no RNG, challenge log also can control the minimum days requires to obtain 12 pieces. Players can easier manage their time and not leave behind.
IMO books should have cap as well(ie one book per week), current design just pushing players to farm myth all the day. However, it is difficult to make such big changes now. ^^;

I love how there are so many great ideas around, i wonder if Yoshi-P's team did any customer feedback prior to implementation. Sure, you can't cater to everyone's desires. However, if an entire subsection of your forum, in this case FATE, is completely filled with posts providing extremely positive feedback. Some action needs to be taken. These are the same vocal people that will promote your brand. I personally find myself telling people to stay away given the grindy nature of the recent patch. A sentiment that is very different from what I used to pitch 2-3 months ago. Just a thought.