New grief tactic going around

It goes a little something like this:

Duty Starts

Guy with "broken" gear: Guys, my gear is broken. Can you vote kick me out so I can fix it? I'll be right back!

Group: Sure, but hurry up.

Guy with "broken" gear: Ok!

Guy with "broken" gear gets kicked out, but never comes back. Instead, he/she puts in reports of being kicked for "bad gear", sticking a harassment charge or worse on everyone within the group who voted yes.

Now, it probably goes without saying, but it's total @#$%ing BS that this is allowed to happen. A friend AND a FC member got hit with it earlier, and there's nothing they can do about it other than have a permanent mark against their accounts forever.

So a word of warning to anyone who gets a person like this in a group: Do NOT kick them if they have "broken" gear if they ask. While some cases might be legit, it's just not worth the risk.

I don't see how they would've had that held against them, the GMs are supposed to investigate that stuff and would have access to the chatlogs to see that is clearly not the case.

It's simple really, if they "forgot" to repair, they can just eat the 30 minutes wait.

I don't believe it.

The purpose of griefing is to cause trouble for someone, sure, but no one griefs if they don't see the result of their griefing. Blocking a doorway is griefing. Killing all the mobs in an area people are hunting it griefing. The commonality being the griefer can watch people get upset and tickle his pickle.

Since your story doesn't present a way for the griefer to get tickled, I don't buy it.

You're not telling the full story.

When GM's investigate vote kick abuse, the question the person that got kicked, and the people that kicked them, if the people didn't tell the GM he asked to be kicked, they should have, GM's can pull chat logs and see all that was said, and then punish the person for trying to get others in trouble for it.

It's hard to believe when GMs have access to chat logs and would see this straight away.

Yeah, as everyone else has already noted, this story doesn't really add up.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by RumiP

The purpose of griefing is to cause trouble for someone, sure, but no one griefs if they don't see the result of their griefing.

---

Some people really do just do things that they know will inconvenience others with no intention of ever experiencing that inconvenience directly, simply because they can. Some people are satisfied with the mere knowledge that their actions will frustrate others.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Penguinmayhem

Some people really do just do things that they know will inconvenience others with no intention of ever experiencing that inconvenience directly, simply because they can. Some people are satisfied with the mere knowledge that their actions will frustrate others.

---

ok, like 2 guys grief if they don't see the result of their griefing

GMs would have checked all the chat logs, no way would anyone who voted yes have been given any sort of mark on their account for this if it is true.

I just don't buy it, griefers act in very predictable ways with certain motives and this one just doesn't seem to fit. The griefer would have no way of knowing whether it caused a hassle or not, there's no direct interaction after the kick. There's also the matter of directly involving authority figures which runs the very real risk of getting themself banned if they were indeed harassing anyone in the obvious way described. It doesn't add up, huge risk and little to no emotional payout, it's not a griefer's MO.

"Repairing gear", "have to go" and "clicked the wrong dungeon" reasons are not listed among the reasons to vote dismiss. Vote dismissing without a reason is punishable. What the person is doing may be provoking, but it is your responsibility not to be provoked.
Someone may have waited 30 min to get to the dungeon and the other player just carelessly clicked the wrong dungeon in the broken gear while he had to go in 5 minutes somewhere... I vote "No" if vote dismiss is used in such cases.

You heard it here folks, don't try to be the nice people if there really is a situation like that. The people deserve their 30 minute penalty because sometimes mistakes can be made.

It feels like no one wins in this case because you're technically "abusing" the dismissal system and then getting penalized for attempting to be the nice person if it was a legitimate cause.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Airal

You heard it here folks, don't try to be the nice people if there really is a situation like that. The people deserve their 30 minute penalty because sometimes mistakes can be made.

---

Queuing in the broken gear is not a mistake - it is plainly being careless (why else people stand near menders when they are doing dailies). Neither it stops the person from running dungeons - trials got echo and 4 player content was nerfed.
Would you make a careless person to start caring by forgiving them? It is important to understand why the "mistake" was made and deal with the cause, not the result.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by lxSch

Queuing in the broken gear is not a mistake - it is plainly being careless (why else people stand near menders when they are doing dailies). Neither it stops the person from running dungeons - trials got echo and 4 player content was nerfed.
Would you make a careless person to start caring by forgiving them? It is important to understand why the "mistake" was made and deal with the cause, not the result.

---

Well I sure hope you never make a single mistake in your life. :rolleyes:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by lxSch

Queuing in the broken gear is not a mistake - it is plainly being careless (why else people stand near menders when they are doing dailies). Neither it stops the person from running dungeons - trials got echo and 4 player content was nerfed.
Would you make a careless person to start caring by forgiving them? It is important to understand why the "mistake" was made and deal with the cause, not the result.

---

Your mindset is clearly different from mine, but that's fine. You're welcome to your own opinion. As are others who are willing to overlook that sometimes things happen. Maybe someone who gets off easy instead of eating the 30 minute penalty will realize not to make that mistake again? It's not always a case of "you screwed up, suffer for it".

If you que up for something with nearly broken gear your a fool.

This is 100% fake. Not only do GMs always check the logs, but they also always speak to directly to the people indicated in the ticket. Even if they didn't checks the logs straight away from the report, they would have spoken to you and you would have told them to check the chat log.

I always thought that there was a timer before we can vote-kick.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Pantz

I always thought that there was a timer before we can vote-kick.

---

yup 15 min , for vote kick and abandon if im not mistaken

Guys, don't be so quick to demonise the OP, whilst yes there is no reason the vote kickers would get disiplinary action because they have access to chat logs, I was in a Cutter's Cry run where the tank said they needed to repair gear, and asked for a vote dismiss, after which he never returned. This method of leaving instances without hitting the 30 min DF timer is going around.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kat_Manx

Well I sure hope you never make a single mistake in your life. :rolleyes:

---

Don't fear the consequences - deal with them.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Airal

Your mindset is clearly different from mine, but that's fine. You're welcome to your own opinion. As are others who are willing to overlook that sometimes things happen. Maybe someone who gets off easy instead of eating the 30 minute penalty will realize not to make that mistake again? It's not always a case of "you screwed up, suffer for it".

---

If a person is polite - he surely will not demand others to dismiss him (at least i would not). Again it's a team decision, if team decides not to dismiss - it's not polite to go afk or *disconnect*.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Warlyx

yup 15 min , for vote kick and abandon if im not mistaken

---

5 mins for vote kick, 15 mins for abandon.


I've seen my wife do this twice (going into dungeon with near broken gear) but when she realized it she left and took 30min penalty.

At first when I read the OP I thought it was going to be about players in Brayflox HM asking to be kicked because their gear was broken, so they could get out of the 30 min penalty. I don't see why someone would try to "Grief" other players like that. Wouldn't at point if the said player continued doing this that the GMs would catch on?