Archon Theorizing

Since Hatching-Tide rolled around and gave us a little tiny bit more information on the 'original twelve Archons' from the Sixth Umbral era, and since we have little to no information on our current Archons -- much to my eternal dismay -- I took it upon myself to come up with some theorizing on them.

So, we know that the first known appearance of the Archons was during the end of the Fifth Astral Era -- this is documented in the The Waning of the Sixth Sun lore video...thing.

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The peoples of the Fifth Astral Era will be remembered for building their civilization on a foundation of magic, relentlessly tapping Hydaelyn of her lifeblood to indulge their decadence. The burden on the planet, however, would prove too great. Aetherial balance was lost, and the elements ran wild. At the urgent behest of a party of twelve shadowy figures history remembers only as the Archons, the nations agree to consolidate their remaining resources and form the Grand Companies of Eorzea in an attempt to forestall the coming apocalypse. But it was too little, too late. The damage done to Hydaelyn was irreversible, and people could only wait and watch as their fates played out.

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Also of note, again, is the stuff spoken about in Hatching-TIde -- hopefully, when the rest of the quests are available we might get a little more. So far, though, our friend Jihli has this stuff to say:

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The tradition began several years ago, after I was blessed with a vision by the Twelve Archons of ages past. These heroes are said to have lived through the Sixth Umbral Calamity, fighting bravely against an encroaching darkness that would have otherwise seen to the realm's destruction.

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The rest of the questline is ridiculous, but at least we've got that.

That's basically all we know about the Twelve Archons from the Sixth Umbral Era, and we know even less about our friends in this era. Sadly. We know they're all from Sharlayan, and all are members of the Circle of Knowing -- and all have those tattoos/brands on their necks (or in Urianger and Louisoix's case, face). And....yeah. The rest of our information is all based on rumors caught throughout Eorzea in quest dialogue -- in, sadly, 1.0.

We have, first of all, several mentions of Urianger being one of the original Archons (cannot find source text, please help!), and rumors of the Archons being manifestations of the Twelve themselves, as mentioned in the 1.0 quest Of Archons and Muses --

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Tyago Moui: Caught wind of all this Archon talk yet? Some folk make them for the very incarnations of the Twelve, come to Eorzea. Old prophecies and wives' tales say they descend from their heavenly seat whenever disaster threatens Eorzea, see.

Tyago Moui: Needless to say, many believe the Archons to have otherworldly powers─both of mind and body.

Tyago Moui: According to the loremasters' books, there was an age of shadow and calamity some fifteen hundred-odd years ago, when a great flood drowned the world─the sixth Umbral Era, they called it. Believers say it was the twelve Archons what came to fight the darkness then.

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Now, I don't agree with that. It doesn't really make sense to me that the Twelve would do that, really. BUT -- and I came up with this as I was writing this post -- I have an alternative theory.

The Twelve are based on the original Twelve Archons. We don't know how long the Twelve as a belief system has been about, and especially with a world-changing event like a MASSIVE FLOOD, things are lost and remade. So...the survivors could have begun treating these twelve legendary figures as saviors, and then legends, and then gods. It's a similar thing to stuff that happens in real life to legendary characters of myth and folklore, yeah? And due to the way primals work, the sheer belief in the Twelve, even though they did not exist before they were believed in (due to them being based on real people), CREATED the Twelve. The belief in them brought them into being, like primals.

This is sort of supported by some more dialogue from the Of Archons and Muses quest --

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Tyago Moui: They say Ahldbhar was the mightiest of the twelve Archons. Rhalgr the Destroyer himself, taken form in Roegadyn flesh─a bloody mountain of a man, and a fearsome warrior, besides. Not unlike our friend at the Coliseum, eh?

Tyago Moui: You must've seen renderings of Rhalgr at some point─in paint or stone. Looks like a bag of angry muscles in a mage's robes, right? Aye, well, those are done in the likeness of Archon Ahldbhar.

Tyago Moui: Ahldbhar fought relentlessly against a clan of wicked sorcerers that sought only to wreak havoc on the world through their dark powers. But then, something happened... Something that threw Ahldbhar into deep despair. And in the end, he turned and took up with the enemy, though none can say as to why.

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Leading this into my other theory, I do believe that both Urianger and Louisoix are two of the original Twelve Archons (Louisoix, clearly, being the inspiration for Thaliak; I'm not sure about Urianger -- thinking either Byregot or Althyk), and have been around for 1500 years, yes. The rest of them (Yda, Papalymo, Y'shtola, Thancred) aren't, but are a lot older than they look anyway. I mean, they'd have had to take successors at some point.

I am possibly thinking that the brand, if they are immortal/unaging/something like that, is connected to it somehow. Which is why all the Archons have it.

(Don't ask about the twins bc I've got nothing.)

The talk of Ahldbhar fighting "a clan of wicked sorcerers" with dark powers likely refers to the Ascians. If that's true, then perhaps the fact that he fell into despair and joined them is related to Minfilia seeking the "true nature of the Echo" and Elidibus's claim that the users of the Echo are not that different from the Ascians. Perhaps Minfilia will be faced with a similar crisis of conscience when she discovers the answers she seeks...

Speaking of Minfilia, for a while I was getting her name confounded with Menphina. By your theory, perhaps she is the analog to that member of the Twelve? Perhaps she has a brand somewhere that we can't see. As for the Nald'thal, Alphinaud and Alisaie seem to be twins, right? They may be the modern successors of Nald and Thal. There's also the matter of G'raha Tia in the Crystal Tower quests, he also has the brand on his shoulder. Could he be related to Oschon, the Wanderer, who also wields a bow? That does leave several of the Twelve unaccounted for, of course...

What's more, during the opening movie, Louisoix clearly manifests the emblem of Althyk when using the spell that sends the Warriors of Light into the time rift. At first I thought he was merely invoking Althyk's power since mastery of space and time is attributed to Althyk, but perhaps the connection runs deeper?

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If that is the case, could it be that "the key which only [Alphinaud and Alisaie] possess" is actually "the key to the gates of the underworld" or something similar? Nald'thal are the keepers of the underworld, and making sure that the dead remain dead would be a fitting task for them. The idea that Louisoix's shade would require invoking such an ability is an intriguing one, considering that it might reveal the nature of the Circle of Knowing members, if this theory is indeed true.

Considering how little Minfilia wears, that seems difficult to believe.

But as for pairing up the Twelve with the Circle of Knowing...

Alphinaud and Alisaie as Nald'Thal, Thancred as Byregrot, Y'shtola as Llymlaen, Yda as Nymeia, Papalymo as Rhalgr, Urianger as Althyk, and Louisoix as Thaliak?

So Louisoix would have attempted to summon his own powers to stop Bahamut and the rest of the crew would have prayed at altars of themselves to help him out?

Not to discredit the entire theory, because I think its a very interesting idea, but I think this is very unlikely to be true. =/

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Originally Posted by gornotck

Considering how little Minfilia wears, that seems difficult to believe.

But as for pairing up the Twelve with the Circle of Knowing...

Alphinaud and Alisaie as Nald'Thal, Thancred as Byregrot, Y'shtola as Llymlaen, Yda as Nymeia, Papalymo as Rhalgr, Urianger as Althyk, and Louisoix as Thaliak?

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I hve a hard time picturing Papalymo os Rhalgr the Destroyer.

Well, darn. It seems this theory isn't so new after all, but perhaps that does lend credence to it.

Now, you say Minfilia wears 'little', however she's actually covering more now than in 1.x. Still, she has always worn long gloves; if she has a mark, it could be on her hand or forearm.

Also, Rhalgr is a mage with a staff who's known as Nymeia's attendant. Papalymo is a mage with a staff who's Yda's constant companion. There does seem to be a bit of similarity there.

Thancred is kinda a hilarious matchup, but it fits his M.O.

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Originally Posted by Diamente

Alphinaud & Alisaie=Nald & Thal (twins that together make the entity Nald'thal)
MIA Roegadyn= Rhalgr (this is from 1.0)
Louisoux= Thaliak (he actually bears his mark)
Yda= Halone (see Papalymo)
Papalymo= Oschon (some people don't get this connection, Halone and Oschon are companions, one's a fighter and one is represented by a walking stick)
Y'Shtola= Nophica (Goddess of soils and harvests, represented by leaves....)
Minfilia= Azyema (noble woman and Goddess of Inquiry)
Urianger= Altyk (Austere personality)
Thancred= Menphinia (The Lover)

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I don't think Minphilia is one, after all

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She was just a kid back in V.1 during the echo stories, yet the archons were already at least around 20-25.
Besides she comes from Ala Mhigo, not Sharlayan.

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And about the Roegadyn they mention in the other thread, Greinfarr, he isn't either, He's just the son of one of the syndicate member like the rest of Niel's group, besides, Thancred would have recognized him at the very beginning of V.1 if he was an archon too.

Here's something that's bugging me. The 2.2 storyline (I need to re-watch that cutscene to be sure, so sorry if I'm completely wrong)...doesn't it pretty much say that Thancred was from Limsa? Or did he just spend a ton of time there in his youth? (which also makes me wonder why he is in charge of Thanalan, not La Noscea)

If that's true...does it really matter that Minfilia is from Ala Mhigo?

It would also be interesting to see what happens with you...specifically with what happens in the last quest of the Hatching Tide event...though I'm not sure that really has any bearing on the story, or if its just fluff :\

Now that you say it it's kinda weird xD

Well what I meant is that all archon come from sharlayan (the real island not the city they made as an outpost) but mi filial was born in Ala mhigo, and then raised by F'lhaminn when her father died, when she discovered her power of the echo and realized she wasn't the only one with it, she made her little group which eventually grown as big as it is now, in the original story she have no connexion to any archon beside Thancred who watched over her for a few days after her daddy passed away and then investigated his death, that's all.
I do not know exactly what happened in yoshida's team story tho so I can't say but at first she doesn't.
My memory is fuzzy so I might be wrong at some point but I'm pretty sure most of it is accurate u-u

Heeeee... Most likely something for fun, but who knows, maybe they hide plot in it x3

All of the Archons have one thing in common, the tattoo. In 1.0 I always asked the question if Archons were chosen from city-states or if they HAD to come from Sharlayan. Now with Thancred being "from" Limsa Lominsa before even was associated with Y'sthola and Louisoix it seems that it's more of a chosen thing. The leader of the Archons (Louisoix) seemed to choose the others. So I wonder if any of the other Archons are from the 3 city-states. As for Minfilia being an Archon, she's not. Least not yet. She could/may one day take Louisoix's place though...it's funny though cause in 1.0 all of the Archons were intelligent and seemed like they'd have way more knowledge about the world than 2.0 Minfilia, always thought Urianger would be next in charge that or there was more to him than meets the eye after all he was very sneaky and wasn't even present in the "prayer" scenes in the End of an Era cutscene (was always suspicious to me).

It's funny no one in the thread mentioned the new Archon G'raha Tia. I'm really hoping for more back story of him soon.

Except that I did mention him.

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Originally Posted by me

There's also the matter of G'raha Tia in the Crystal Tower quests, he also has the brand on his shoulder. Could he be related to Oschon, the Wanderer, who also wields a bow?

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He was also mentioned in the older thread that was linked. I'm sure that as we progress in the Crystal Tower content, we'll see more of him, since it's his research reports and commentary on the Tower that is being compiled by Rammbroes.

You're probably right about Minfilia. There's just a compulsion to lump her in with the Archons since they're allied with her, but as of yet we have no proof that she is among their number.

You bring up an interesting point regarding Urianger as well. What does that guy really do when he leaves? He is no longer quartered with the rest of the Scions and lately seems to continually bring back bad news...

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Originally Posted by NoloeTazier

Thancred … As for Minfilia being an Archon, she's not. Least not yet. She could/may one day take Louisoix's place though

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Except it's explicitly stated that Thancred is taking Louisoix's place. Hence why they mention he needs to "take it easy."

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Originally Posted by Quintalian

You're probably right about Minfilia. There's just a compulsion to lump her in with the Archons since they're allied with her, but as of yet we have no proof that she is among their number.

You bring up an interesting point regarding Urianger as well. What does that guy really do when he leaves? He is no longer quartered with the rest of the Scions and lately seems to continually bring back bad news...

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Because Urianger is secretly Elidibus. /spoiler

Hrrrm. Regarding Urianger being one of the original Archons, I personally put that to the rumours the Garlean Empire put around Eorzea in the hope of capturing him - that he was one of the Archons responsible for the flood, and the last Umbral Era. I don't actually think Urianger was responsible for it at all, it just being something the Empire used to get the people of Eorzea scared enough to turn him in. (And judging by how you actually meet him, it worked! In the scaring people way, anyway.)

On another note, Thancred also talks at your meeting with Urianger (if you're Ul'dahn) about the Flood, and why it happened.

Also of note; I do think the Sharlayans are something special. There's a multitude of things in 1.0 that show so, and even if they're retconned in 2.0- the fact still stands that none of them have aged a day since the 1.0 echo cutscenes (20 years before 2.0) 1.0 scenario (5 years before 2.0) to now. Other characters like Minfilia, Cid, F'halminn - they have, and the Sharlayans haven't.

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Originally Posted by A_Magical_Unicorn_Rider

Except it's explicitly stated that Thancred is taking Louisoix's place. Hence why they mention he needs to "take it easy."

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Where was this stated? Because I don't remember this ever being said.

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Originally Posted by RickiFake02

Where was this stated? Because I don't remember this ever being said.

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I think A_Magical_Unicorn_Rider means that, towards the end of 2.0 and during 2.1's story line, it is said (by fellow Scion members) that Thancred was overworking himself to prove his worthiness: Thancred was trying to make up for the lack of Louisoix, in a sort of attempt to fill their former leader's absence. Makes sense given what we have learned about Thancred in 2.2 - he owes a lot to Louisoix, it seems.

It was this emphasis on being the best and working so hard that lead him to being susceptible to being possessed by Lahabrea.

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Originally Posted by Kyan

I think A_Magical_Unicorn_Rider means that, towards the end of 2.0 and during 2.1's story line, it is said (by fellow Scion members) that Thancred was overworking himself to prove his worthiness: Thancred was trying to make up for the lack of Louisoix, in a sort of attempt to fill their former leader's absence. Makes sense given what we have learned about Thancred in 2.2 - he owes a lot to Louisoix, it seems.

It was this emphasis on being the best and working so hard that lead him to being susceptible to being possessed by Lahabrea.

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Right, but I don't think this means he was slated to take Louisoix's place, per se. I think he was just struggling to fill the void (pardon the terrible pun) as was everyone else. He just overworked himself in the process.

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Originally Posted by RickiFake02

Right, but I don't think this means he was slated to take Louisoix's place, per se. I think he was just struggling to fill the void (pardon the terrible pun) as was everyone else. He just overworked himself in the process.

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I completely agree. :)

Like Ricki said, I don't think than Thancred meant to replace Louisoix, but he does seem somewhat protective toward Minfilia, probably due to the fact they leave the leading role to a girl he took care of for a few days when she was a child (several lines of his shows his "father like" affection for her).
Btw, Echo stories takes place 15 years before 2.0, not 20 and no Thancred is not from Limsa, all he said was that he did spent some time in Limsa when he was young with the weird ninja/pirate/wuhevah brotherhood.

Oh one more thing, none of them have shown any sign of aging besides Minfilia, Cid just grew a beard that make him look older, F'lhaminn's glasses and clothes are what makes her look older, even tho you see her in echo most of the time in 1.0, there are some scenes during the actual present time where she does not look any older, even tho 15 years separate echo and 1.0 (the only way to make the difference is the color of her boots).
It's actually the same for most characters like Momodi or Miounne, I think that people just age differently there than we do in the real world.
I can't remember well but I'm pretty sure in some other thread, someone theorized that lalafell stop physically aging after a certain age (in some cutscene you can see a lalafell as a teen during an echo and later see him as an adult in present but there is no changes besides his clothes)
But now that I start to think of it.. What if this theory is not just for lalafells but for every one in Hydealyn?
That would explain why every one looks the same age, except for Minfilia who obviously became an adult, but since she's the only one we knew as a child, there is absolutely no way for us to know.

Now it might just be me overthinking it but.. It does make sense ^^'''

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Originally Posted by RickiFake02

Right, but I don't think this means he was slated to take Louisoix's place, per se. I think he was just struggling to fill the void (pardon the terrible pun) as was everyone else. He just overworked himself in the process.

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Same thing.

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Originally Posted by Phyllo

. . . but for every one in Hydealyn?'''

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Off the top of my head there are definitely visibly elderly hyurs in the game- the grandfather in the Dorma quest line comes to mind. I've wondered before if adult characters are not visibly ageing simply SE does not want to make a new character model for every time skip.

Maybe Squeenix just isn't very good at making people seem slightly older?
Given, 15 years is a bit much, although 5 years wouldn't change much for people between 18 and 29.

On-topic, though; I think it's very possible there's a parallelism and symbolism between important characters and the Twelve, even in the vein of being reincarnations. I do not believe that Urianger or Louisoix are more than Bible-old (where people like Solomon could live for over a hundred years, although not over ~200, and I'd give some of that to the idea of them both being of an elvish-inspired race). I can't wait to see more of G'Raha Tia (best NPC since 2.0, if ye ask me) and hopefully more of Sharlayan. I would agree with the Rhalgr story referring to the Ascians, although their role in the overall "keeping" of the realm is still mysterious.

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Originally Posted by Naria

Off the top of my head there are definitely visibly elderly hyurs in the game- the grandfather in the Dorma quest line comes to mind. I've wondered before if adult characters are not visibly ageing simply SE does not want to make a new character model for every time skip.

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I think you missed my point :)
What I meant is that people may age slower in Hydealyn than in our world, so the fact that there are indeed old people is kinda off topic

Or yeah SE may just be too lazy x3


Falen
Well I think so too but some people do think that Louisoix and Urianger were not born in this era, personally I do not agree with this idea because it simply look a bit far fetched to me but who knows, maybe they do are waaay older than the rest.
G'Raha Tia? The name doesn't ring any bell to me xD

Isn't he the Miqo'te in the CT cutscenes?

Well, most lore about elfish races is they live very long lives; sometimes a thousand years or longer. Others its just a few centuries, but still, usually elves live longer than humans. So seeing elezen not aging within 20 years isn't odd to me at all.

We also don't know lifespans of Hyur, Miqo'te, Roegadyn and Lalafell. Longer lifespans means signs of aging take longer to appear, shorter means its more noticeable.

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Originally Posted by Phyllo

G'Raha Tia? The name doesn't ring any bell to me xD

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Yes, Magis is correct; G'Raha Tia is the new Circle of Knowing member from the Crystal Tower/Labyrinth of the Ancients unlock quest.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

Well, most lore about elfish races is they live very long lives; sometimes a thousand years or longer. Others its just a few centuries, but still, usually elves live longer than humans. So seeing elezen not aging within 20 years isn't odd to me at all.

We also don't know lifespans of Hyur, Miqo'te, Roegadyn and Lalafell. Longer lifespans means signs of aging take longer to appear, shorter means its more noticeable.

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Hopefully we'll get lucky and they'll eventually release "aging" character creation options as well as aging lore for the races.

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Originally Posted by Phyllo

. . . I think that people just age differently there than we do in the real world.
I can't remember well but I'm pretty sure in some other thread, someone theorized that lalafell stop physically aging after a certain age (in some cutscene you can see a lalafell as a teen during an echo and later see him as an adult in present but there is no changes besides his clothes)
But now that I start to think of it.. What if this theory is not just for lalafells but for every one in Hydealyn?

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Originally Posted by Phyllo

I think you missed my point :) What I meant is that people may age slower in Hydealyn than in our world, so the fact that there are indeed old people is kinda off topic

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When I read over your post you seemed to speculate that since Lalafells seem to stop ageing that may be true for all the other playable races as well. I was just pointing out that Hyurs at least do age. It is certainly possible that Hyur lifespans are longer than humans unlike what we have been assuming or that the game’s years are shorter etc since we don’t really have much of that context right now.

EDIT: . . . For some reason I'm recalling that there was info from the Dev's about Hydaelyn's year. Does anyone remember/have a link or am I just misremembering?

Okay my bad, I mis-phrased it and it ended up in me sayin no one ages after a certain age..
However even if they don't seem to age, there still are signs of aging for lalafells, such as papashan (the old sultan sworn, not sure the name is correct tho) he does have grayish hair and beard, but other than that he still looks like a child, I think there's also somewhere an Hyur that look somewhat old, but like papashan, it's just his features that make him look so.
SE probably was just too lazy to create other models than the basic ones for minor characters :/

Ooooh now I see who you're talking about.... Then? What's so great about him? He just looked like any random minor character to me.
If his character is indeed somewhat special (by that I mean that he really have his own "character" not the basic lines that seems like every single NPC that is not really important to the story have the same character mind)
I think I would have at least remembered him, I rarely skip any discution, especially in end game, however I can't even recall his face nor clothes nor where he is, all I can remember is that there is a male miqo'te in the camp, just like I remember the cloth seller in ul dah is a woman hyur, only because I passed by her quite a lot of times (or was she a miqo'te too?).

Oh, I'm not trying to say the character is not memorable, just that I don't remember him much and thus do not see why you like him.

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Originally Posted by Naria

EDIT: . . . For some reason I'm recalling that there was info from the Dev's about Hydaelyn's year.

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I buy in to the idea that years are 'short', mostly because the years follow a lunar calendar, not a solar one. The world shows minimal effects of 'seasons', so it makes sense that a solar year wouldn't have meaning to them, but that leaves us no idea how long their year is relative to what we think of as a year. It could be remarkably shorter or longer than their rotational period. I think the dev note you're mentioning is the statement that years are made up of twelve lunar months, an Astral and Umbral month of each element. Theorized elsewhere in the Lore forums, though I don't remember where, is the idea that an "Astral" month centers around a full moon and an "Umbral" around a New Moon, which make sense. If that's the case, Hydaelyn's year is made up of six full lunar cycles, broken into Astral and Umbral months.

That said, it makes sense that the races would have different life spans and it's possible all might live longer than humans, but given the rate at which things change and events develop mythologies and knowledge of things is utterly lost, I'd say very few of the races exceed one hundred Hydaelyn years. I think one of the reasons most people are young is that in a world like this, old age isn't the thing most likely to kill you; monsters and war probably are the top killers in Eorzea. And for aging, it could be in part that the changes in appearance over five, or even fifteen years are not hugely dramatic for a lot of people, but I think mostly it a convenience thing from SE's perspective - it both is convenient on the graphics team and is easy from a narrative setting as well. Everyone knows Cid is Cid before even Cid does, because he looks like Cid; narrative simplicity.

Sorry for double-post. Limits on text entry.

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Originally Posted by Phyllo

Oh one more thing, none of them have shown any sign of aging besides Minfilia, Cid just grew a beard that make him look older, F'lhaminn's glasses and clothes are what makes her look older, even tho you see her in echo most of the time in 1.0, there are some scenes during the actual present time where she does not look any older, even tho 15 years separate echo and 1.0 (the only way to make the difference is the color of her boots).

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idk! her hair seems white to me now. in 1.0, she was definitely blonde!

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Originally Posted by faris

idk! her hair seems white to me now. in 1.0, she was definitely blonde!

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Are you talking about Minfilia or F´lhaminn?

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Originally Posted by Phyllo

Are you talking about Minfilia or F´lhaminn?

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F'lhaminn.

Nah she always had silver hair, it's just that her outfit make her look older (and even with that, it's hard to believe she's 31... ^^''')

Waliel>>
Oh yeah Hamon, well he's the prime exemple of them aging, but we have absolutely no idea how old he is :/

The Pugilist guildmaster, Something Whateverfist, is more than old enough to retire, I'd say. I do believe he shares a model with a couple of NPCs.

Hamon HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLYFIST can't retire.

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Originally Posted by gornotck

Hamon HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLYFIST can't retire.

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The quest where you bring him up-to-speed...fantastic. Simply sublime.

I really wonder about the lyrics in both the Praetorium and Ultima battle (phase 2), and Mysteltain has been an amazing contributor over in this thread:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...g-lyrics/page3

in teasing out the Latin in the Ultima lyrics.

But lately, I've been wondering not just what those voices are saying, but who they are and to whom the ideas in those lyrics are directed. Are the voices exulting a future Archon rule in the Ultima theme?

I'd bet my last gil on two things:

1) the lyrics to both tell us scads of tasty info about both the Garlean Empire and the Archons;

2) that #1 is precisely why the lyrics were not released with the OST like Titan, King Moggle, Garuda, et al lyrics.

We need to break that code!