Atma farming theory

Has anyone confirmed this?

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...arming_theory/

Tried it last night for the entire hour with a group and nobody in the group received a drop

I tried it last night (using server time) as a last ditch effort before I gave up on atma altogether for an hour and still not a single drop. Human nature to try make sense of something random but at the end of the day it's just a crackpot theory. I suspect those that attest to the fact it seems to be working just got lucky pure and simple :P

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Originally Posted by CYoung187

Tried it last night for the entire hour with a group and nobody in the group received a drop

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Hey Colman ^^

This game's RNG is definitely tied to server time, saw this for months in Coil doing it at around the same time frame with mostly the same group and always seeing them same gear type drop consistently with a really small amount of odd pieces. A couple of friends tried that guide and it seemed to work, all RNGs need a seed to generate its numbers and this game uses server time for it, that's all.

I'm not even perfectly sure what the theory is. Is it that if you're farming atma X during hour Y there's an increased drop rate? Additionally you can only qualify for the special increased drop rate on 4 atmas per day? Maybe they're on to something, but I think this is just grasping at straws. I suppose if a lot of people start tracking they'll either disprove it or fail to disprove it.

I only have 1 atma. I didn't receive it anywhere near the time stated in that theory.

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Originally Posted by Roris

This game's RNG is definitely tied to server time, saw this for months in Coil doing it at around the same time frame with mostly the same group and always seeing them same gear type drop consistently with a really small amount of odd pieces. A couple of friends tried that guide and it seemed to work, all RNGs need a seed to generate its numbers and this game uses server time for it, that's all.

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Using something like server time for a seed doesn't mean you'll get the same results when rolls occur at 'around the same time'. If server time is used for the seed in determining RNG you'd probably have to match the millisecond to get identical results. Like most groups, my Coil group always runs at the same time on the same days, but what drops is never predictable.

Could be legit. Most people find if they don't get it within 30 mins then to swap zones. I got all my Shroud drops at a complete opposite time than listed though.

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Originally Posted by Nutz

Using something like server time for a seed doesn't mean you'll get the same results when rolls occur at 'around the same time'. If server time is used for the seed in determining RNG you'd probably have to match the millisecond to get identical results. Like most groups, my Coil group always runs at the same time on the same days, but what drops is never predictable.

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Tell that to both our Coil groups who always did it at around the same time and always predicted what would drop and sure enough it was always the same stuff, always Bard and Tank gear at around 12pst and Striking and Healing at around 6pst, gear types were always consistent, not necessarily the gear itself (gloves, body, etc.) but sure enough the classes were. A couple of times? Sure, coincidence. When it happens for 3 months straight? Yeah that's no coincidence. This game uses server time for RNG, amongst other factors sure like most likely party composition or even something like player names but time seems to be the most prevalent, it's really not that uncommon at all to tie an RNG to a clock and it doesn't really have to be synced down to milliseconds either, so there you go. It also doesn't entirely guarantee it 100%, it just gives a much higher drop percentage based on a certain time, that's how this game's RNG works, not all RNG is generated or works the same even if RNG is RNG.

Thats not accurate. I gotten an atma then changed fates and get one 10 minutes later.

I also only farmed at the same time every morning and got them all in a week.

Its purely RNG. Stop trying to make a theory out of it.

All 12 of my Atmas dropped within an hour of starting in an area. Most of them after, at most, 5 fates. The few times I sat and farmed in one area for a day, were completely fruitless. Also, I received them all at times that looked nothing like that list. So, I'm a proponent of the seed theory. If you've been in one area for more than an hour with no atma, then you got a bad seed and need to move on. Whether that seed is tied strictly to time, I don't know.

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Originally Posted by Roris

Tell that to both our Coil groups who always did it at around the same time and always predicted what would drop and sure enough it was always the same stuff, always Bard and Tank gear at around 12pst and Striking and Healing at around 6pst, gear types were always consistent, not necessarily the gear itself (gloves, body, etc.) but sure enough the classes were. A couple of times? Sure, coincidence. When it happens for 3 months straight? Yeah that's no coincidence. This game uses server time for RNG, amongst other factors sure like most likely party composition or even something like player names but time seems to be the most prevalent, it's really not that uncommon at all to tie an RNG to a clock and it doesn't really have to be synced down to milliseconds either, so there you go. It also doesn't entirely guarantee it 100%, it just gives a much higher drop percentage based on a certain time, that's how this game's RNG works, not all RNG is generated or works the same even if RNG is RNG.

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Clearly you don't understand how RNG works. If tied to a clock, there is ZERO relation between kills @ 12:30:16 and 12:30:17. RNG is never related to the hour or minute nowadays. Humans love to find patterns where there aren't any.

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Originally Posted by revonine

Hey Colman ^^

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Oh, hi Morri!

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Originally Posted by Billzey

Clearly you don't understand how RNG works. If tied to a clock, there is ZERO relation between kills @ 12:30:16 and 12:30:17. RNG is never related to the hour or minute nowadays. Humans love to find patterns where there aren't any.

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Clearly you don't understand RNG has to be coded in the first place and can be customized with certain parameters and seeds to generate its numbers, especially for drops. Like I said it doesn't have to be down to a millisecond, clearly this game uses server time frames meaning in between certain hours things have a higher or lower chance to drop.

Anyway, the faster people get to the actual part of the Atma quest that doesn't rely on luck and the less people running around thinking they're better than everyone else just because they got lucky on a badly designed quest gate the better, and this guide already has helped a lot of people so it's great.

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Originally Posted by Wicc

Thats not accurate. I gotten an atma then changed fates and get one 10 minutes later.

I also only farmed at the same time every morning and got them all in a week.

Its purely RNG. Stop trying to make a theory out of it.

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Yes it is a theory, but nowhere did it state that you cant get any outside the times. Im getting so tired of seeing this on every thread posted. The one thing this theory has proved w/o a doubt is the lack of reading comprehension.

Don't forget...

it's not based on time, but more on the moons phase relative to the astrological diety.

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Originally Posted by YamaGuy

I only have 1 atma. I didn't receive it anywhere near the time stated in that theory.

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I have 3 atma in about 45 minutes worth of trying. Of course gotten before actually reading this thread. Mine were just poking my head into random fates mostly for the sahagin and kobold fates to get the shields and another random one from central shroud during a quick break between garuda ex runs.

You have to face North when you kill the mob, make sure to move the mobs in this order before killing facing north.
Move up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, then shout B, A!

Oh and it has to be full moon.

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

You have to face North when you kill the mob, make sure to move the mobs in this order before killing facing north.
Move up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, then shout B, A!

Oh and it has to be full moon.

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Is that turn right and left or sidestep left or right? I also heard that subligars raise the drop chance by 5%. Also I am assuming the it's character movement and not camera.

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

You have to face North when you kill the mob, make sure to move the mobs in this order before killing facing north.
Move up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, then shout B, A!

Oh and it has to be full moon.

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I heard from a friend of a friend of a friend that after doing this you also have to hit the Start button. If you're using a mouse and keyboard, you're SOL with this method.

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

You have to face North when you kill the mob, make sure to move the mobs in this order before killing facing north.
Move up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, then shout B, A!

Oh and it has to be full moon.

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I feel so ashamed... All this time I've been doing up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, /sh+A, sh+B. :(

I went to central shroud at 1:00 (my time) and got the atma on the first fate (as pld). Switched to drg after the 3rd fate and on the 5th fate (as drg) got the same atma again (woo!) (all without a party) At 2:00 I went to South Thanalan and was no party for 15 minutes then in a small party for the next 30 (entire time as drg) and didn't get a single atma :( so I think their tests where more coincidence/super lucky

Using Local Time
I went to East Shroud and got it on first fate
Then the next hour (of course I waited for it) and went to East Thalan and got it on the 3rd fate.
*Tin Cap ON*

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Originally Posted by Zagam

Yes it is a theory, but nowhere did it state that you cant get any outside the times. Im getting so tired of seeing this on every thread posted. The one thing this theory has proved w/o a doubt is the lack of reading comprehension.

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The moment someone doesn't agree, the claws come out.

Here is some reading comprehension for you. The OP asks "Has anyone confirmed this?"
I am simply saying, in my case, this is not accurate and that too many people have hope for this PURELY random system.

Maybe you should practice what you preach next time.

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Originally Posted by Wicc

The moment someone doesn't agree, the claws come out.

Here is some reading comprehension for you. The OP asks "Has anyone confirmed this?"
I am simply saying, in my case, this is not accurate and that too many people have hope for this PURELY random system.

Maybe you should practice what you preach next time.

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Claws come out? I never said I agree or disagree with the theory, all I pointed out is you debunking it with evidence that has nothing to do with anything. Like I said reading comprehension .

All I gotta say is that the Placebo Effect is a powerful thing. Might as well place your trust in Brony Friendship Sparkles, Unicorn Tears, and Faerie Sprinkles, they'll probably have about the same effect on your drop rate.

I got 11 of my 12 within 5 hours of gameplay, and the magical special time for the 12th was during an hour that I'm usually at work, so yeah, I kinda call BS on it.

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Originally Posted by Zagam

Claws come out? I never said I agree or disagree with the theory, all I pointed out is you debunking it with evidence that has nothing to do with anything. Like I said reading comprehension .

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The theory is about atmas dropping at certain times
My response is about how I got the atmas at different times than were listed.

My evidence has nothing to do with it? Okie dokie artichokie!

yeah rng is rng i think. Some people on Leviathan were talking about it yesterday and it seemed to work for them but i just think it was random luck they were having or since i have absolutely no luck they got what i lack. lol

The speculation that it could be tied to a player's local (not necessarily server) time might not be that far off considering if you change your time setting manually on your machine it will 90k you from the server.

I tried this at 9:00 (MST) yesterday and on the first fate got the Atma of the Fish.

Update 1: Just tried this with Atma of the Twins and got it on the first Fate I did in the zone at 7:04 (MST)

Update 2: Skipped the Lion and Fish Atma's (already had them) went and did Twins, got it on the 4th or 5th fate at 10:24 (MST). Also got Atma of the Scales at 11:45 (MST) after 4th fate (spent first 30 mins in a dungeon); I think I'm a believer o_O

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Originally Posted by Wicc

The theory is about atmas dropping at certain times
My response is about how I got the atmas at different times than were listed.

My evidence has nothing to do with it? Okie dokie artichokie!

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where does it say that it only drops at a certain time? please show me. It says certain times it increases the drop rate, it NEVER says that it wont drop outside this time. Im not sure how else this can be explained.

I don't know how accurate it is, but I just got an ATMA going by this guide. Changed my clock to server time, went to the zone listed for that time, and got ATMA of the Scorpion drop on the first Fate I did. It could of course be a giant coincidence. Either way, that's one less ATMA I have to get now.

This game is starting to have superstitions. http://i.imgur.com/JhLGGOT.jpg

Same, except it was 2nd fate, I was there for 2 hours before this time and didn't see it, I'll do more testing tomorrow, it's 3am now

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Originally Posted by ItzKris

Using Local Time
I went to East Shroud and got it on first fate
Then the next hour (of course I waited for it) and went to East Thalan and got it on the 3rd fate.
*Tin Cap ON*

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Just want to say I got the third (TWINS) one after 40 minutes
Took a break for 2 hours* so missed the timeslots
Got atma of the FISH after 2 minutes (2nd fate)

This system seems to be going very well for me :)

There definitely is not a cap on how many you can get in a span of 12 hours. On my second day I had gotten six in less than 7 hours.

Sharing some results from today. All times local est.

6 am Atma of the Ram - 5 minutes (1-2 fates)
7 am Atma of the Twins - 20 minutes (8-10 fates)
8 am Atma of the Lion - 10 minutes (5-6 fates)
9 am Atma of the Fish - 2 minutes (1-2 fates)
3 pm Atma of the Water Bearer - 15 minutes (5-6 fates)

I tried for about 40 minutes in North Shroud at 10 am and then for 50 minutes at 10 pm and didn't get anything. I tried for about 45 minutes at 5 pm in Eastern Than and didn't get anything.

I would say, that until SE confirms this, it is just a theory. Any, so called, evidence that would support this claim is anecdotal.

For what it's worth, haven't had any luck following this.

Eh, doesn't hurt to try. Better than zerging the same fate areas for unspeakable amount of hours @.@