First Coil of Bahamut in Duty Finder and Echo buff?

This is terrible, only two runs of doing it through the duty finder, both of which were horrifying runs, and yet they still decided to do something like this anyways.

I'm not sure how many others agree that the access to it through the duty finder is nice, but the people you're going to run into through it and the further weakening of any challenge it has just went down the drain as well. What parties in DF are going to want someone who takes off the Echo and plays without it? I can already hear all the people voting to kick people and make you waste time searching again just because you don't want it trivialized and "weaken your DPS" or whatever.

Was this a good idea?

3 runs so far in DF (solo queue) and all 3 went smooth.

I guess you just had bad luck.

They have said FOREVER that as new content comes out older content will be trivilizaed. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this. The gear is no longer the top. It still requires some coordination to do. 'hardcore' folk now have new content to do. the 'more casual' folk can now experience the content that was gated before.

I've dont them all in duty finder now(with exception of t5) and have won every time. It's not difficult and requires someone walking people through at times. Although I do believe the ilvl requirement should jump up a bit from where it is; just because how easy it is to get i85 without a problem.

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Originally Posted by Ashgarth

3 runs so far in DF (solo queue) and all 3 went smooth.

I guess you just had bad luck.

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The first was a complete ****storm. I joined into Turn 2 with two Scholars, one Warrior and a Marauder, and the Echo buff already being up, a healer quit and three others left too, that one was done in seconds practically.


The second had the most egomaniacal Tank I've seen in awhile. The ADS was already gone when I got there, he started bringing adds with him, all the DPS were melee, so one of the healers was with him and the other tank wasn't around, they were splitting them up and the other DPS besides me started attacking the mobs instantly instead of grouping them together. One of the healers died there and I almost did as well because he wasn't maintaining enmity, I said, exactly this "Tank really needs to Tank." because several people had already died by this point and we're going against regular adds. He started giving me attitude and that I should cry a river and a boatload of other insults. I was perfectly fine with taking it to him since he wanted to start something with me so badly, but one of the healers said "the ladies should put their handbags away and start the fight."

I'm sorry, but I have a PLD too and know how to use it, the dude is messing up, I'm not just going to say nothing? He proceeded to escalate his insults and attitude as it went on, would have gladly butted heads with him if they didn't start the Snake fight earlier after a wipe because the healer that died earlier died again it seems, I didn't see what happened. The dude was a complete asshole that was picking fights because he had tank insta-quene and I wasn't going to just let him go about it, if I make a mistake I writhe in someone pointing it out so I don't make it again. This guy pretended like he's god's gift to XIV and that doesn't fly with me.

I would rather they didnt touch the older content. The older content already gets trivialized by how easy it is to get higher ilvl gear, really dont need to make it buff you on top of that.

So you had 2 shitty groups in DF, tough luck.
DF groups are as random as the loot, queue again and you may get one that clears the dungeon without a problem.

got in T4 as BRD i 77 , tho it's not my main (main is PLD) all was smooth & easy 1 shot (even with 1 ppl dead) . Tried t5 , party was stuck @ conflag D: if anyone win T5 in DF pls post it :D

I think queuing for T2 in DF is just suicide. You're not going to find many people patient/skilled enough to deal with Rot.

T1-5 is no longer "meaningful" content; that's why they've given out a buff - so people (especially newer players "hint hint, PS4 players") can complete it for the sake of story. 10% still isn't going to be enough of a buff for some people.

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Originally Posted by Huntington

This is terrible, only two runs...

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This is indeed terrible indeed. Your tolerance level is too low.

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Originally Posted by Gormogon

This is indeed terrible indeed. Your tolerance level is too low.

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Dark Souls is easier than playing with Duty Finder people...

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Originally Posted by Huntington

Dark Souls is easier than playing with Duty Finder people...

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Indeed. Even though I had people in full i90 in my turn 4, the tanks had never done it, nor had bothered to google it. So, we wiped a lot because adds everywhere, and they proceeded to blame anyone but themselves even though they admitted to never seeing the fight before or even looking in to it.... :/ I did ifrit ex before that, and even with 25% echo, the tanks would drop dead from having too many stacks and the healers would kill us with their debuff, or just not heal us after the boom when nails phase is over.

Sorry people, the echo buff isn't an excuse to not try. I know you like playing candy crush in the background, but I kindly ask you to turn it off and focus.

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Originally Posted by Huntington

Dark Souls is easier than playing with Duty Finder people...

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Dark Souls is easier?

Last I remember over 17billion deaths in Dark Souls. You can't lie to me.

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Originally Posted by Cherie

the tanks had never done it

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Well it is duty finder and not Turn 9 clear finder.

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Originally Posted by Gormogon

Dark Souls is easier?

Last I remember over 17 billion deaths in Dark Souls. You can't lie to me.


Well it is duty finder and not Turn 9 clear finder.

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I ain't lying, it doesn't matter how much I know the content in party content, won't make it any easier with other people if they're not willing to be more proactive on how they play. Dark Souls? Couple deaths, I know what to do, I stop messing up. Simple as that.

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Originally Posted by Huntington

The first was a complete ****storm. I joined into Turn 2 with two Scholars, one Warrior and a Marauder, and the Echo buff already being up, a healer quit and three others left too.

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LOL what a coincidence, i was the MRD. I thought it was a good idea trying to be a 5th dps for enrage. >.<

Duty Finder coil is fine. No different to DF ex primals. Good and bad runs.
Instead of making threads, make a bridge. Get over it.

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Originally Posted by Alexia89

Duty Finder coil is fine. No different to DF ex primals. Good and bad runs.
Instead of making threads, make a bridge. Get over it.

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I did several runs of T1 yesterday and all went fine. One was slightly messy but once a dps rage quit somehow all went so smoothly. Haven't tried the other turns yet though.

Its the duty finder. You're paired up with randoms. Sometimes it sucks. thats the point of DF though
It makes a group with others you might not have found otherwise. It doesnt say "hey do you know how
to play?" It can't.

If you want intelligible people, shout and make a PF. Or fill as far as you can from your own server, then
join DF. Its working as intended, and I see the echo buff as a necessity. no 100% chance of mage in T4
no 100% chance of silence in T1 etc. Some fights were built with specific mechanics in mind that DF can't
solve.

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Originally Posted by Huntington

... through the duty finder... horrifying runs... all the people voting to kick people ...

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You had taken the wrong idea on anything.

When using DF, the "good run" is just luck, you have to expect average or less runs. Especially on DF raids, because it is more for people who wants see the content and start learning the fight, and this is welcome, because nowadays almost all PF groups wants "exp" players, and actually unless you have a FC that can afford get a newb there (and there aren't so much...), you will never get into them.

Whoever wants (almost) assured smooth run, he must use PF.

Then, another wrong thing you have taken: you cannot kick people joined on DF because they don't perform well. It is an offense and your account may get consequences. If you done that and still not suspended, you need feel lucky that people haven't reported you.

Then don't run it and use PF like usual?

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

You had taken the wrong idea on anything.

When using DF, the "good run" is just luck, you have to expect average or less runs. Especially on DF raids, because it is more for people who wants see the content and start learning the fight, and this is welcome, because nowadays almost all PF groups wants "exp" players, and actually unless you have a FC that can afford get a newb there (and there aren't so much...), you will never get into them.

Whoever wants (almost) assured smooth run, he must use PF.

Then, another wrong thing you have taken: you cannot kick people joined on DF because they don't perform well. It is an offense and your account may get consequences. If you done that and still not suspended, you need feel lucky that people haven't reported you.

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I've never tried to kick people because they were terribly executing their chosen job, but I won't lie and say there haven't been times that I've desperately wanted to.
Am I expected to keep chugging on with DPS that makes a dungeon take till there's ten minutes left in the run? Or a healer that consistently lets the Tank die? Or a Tank that cant hold enmity against a sneeze? I'm just supposed to bite the bullet instead of asking someone to leave or abandon if they can't do anything?

They're wasting massive amounts of other people's time by then, and I'm just supposed to keep coaching and talking us through something no matter how many times **** keeps hitting the fan?

I don't really care by this point to be honest, the Duty Finder crowd is already bad enough, I don't have to take twenty years to do something if I don't want to, most times I'll ask for someone to kick me, if it's really bad I'll just eat the penalty. But nowhere in this game does it say I have to keep trying with bad kids in dungeons. And since most Duty Finder crowds [B]would[B] kick someone if they took off the Echo buff because they didn't want it, then how does anyone do their Roulettes? I've tried three times myself and accomplished nothing in several tries today, the same will apply in Coil and a lot of other things because people don't have time to somehow be cognitively aware of every Free Company with trusted and capable people, it's easy enough to continue repeating that you should find a static group, but how many people manage to find one where someone wants to do something that they do?

You also misread my post, I never said that I would kick someone if they took off the Echo buff, I sure as hell know that it would probably be done to me though if I was in related content for it.

This brings me into my next tangent, people want more DPS where it matters so the content gets finished faster, if there's Echo buff in DF and PF(and correct me now if there isn't), then it's going to present all the time anyways? How can I say to someone "hey, I want to try and enjoy this content so I'm going to turn off the Echo buff okay?" One of a few things will happen:
1. I get kicked immediately for a reason I never learn of but know is crap.
2. Someone begins insulting me after that and says I should keep it on or GTFO.
3. I'm met with silence and the party is resenting me because I don't want everything made stupidly easy.

Everyone wines and dines about "not enugh DPS" all day every day, but now we're literally forced into the trend of having that buff present in EM fights and Coil phase 1, so how do we get away from all of those people who are going to cry that someone wants to play differently?
The answer is you don't, because then I'd be a hypocrite that's making the game harder because I want to play without it. So then I'm the ass in the party and I can't enjoy this content just because I don't get every gear drop that I want 24/7 like everyone else seems to be capable of.

There's no winning situation unless you're touched by Hydaleyn and have enough people willing to do all of this all the time willingly. Which gives us a very small margin of success at the end of it, and I of course pulled that speculative number out of my rear because everyone else I run across already does, how am I going to beat them if I don't join them?

Actually the echo helps FCS a lot even without df. Much easier to train people when you have an echo. Because little thing aren't suicidal anymore. Not to mention finding 8 people on proper jobs is harder then training.

Before echo you just can't trust certain people (except turn 2 enrage) because they're too new. At least now there's a solution.

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Originally Posted by Alexia89

Duty Finder coil is fine. No different to DF ex primals. Good and bad runs.
Instead of making threads, make a bridge. Get over it.

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So everyone else has never complained about the repeated lack of good results they might be getting? I'm supposed to collaborate the building of a bridge to make something out of nothing? What do you want me to use as the base for construction? My farts?

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Originally Posted by Huntington

So everyone else has never complained about the repeated lack of good results they might be getting? I'm supposed to collaborate the building of a bridge to make something out of nothing? What do you want me to use as the base for construction? My farts?

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You know the game is not forcing you to use DF, right?

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Originally Posted by Taruranto

You know the game is not forcing you to use DF, right?

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Oh but it is, how else will I get a great source of EXP, Gil, Myth tomes, and Soldiery tomes if I dont do my once a day Duty Roulette? I have several of them after all. I have to use it then, what's the solution to getting all the tomes I need and all that other stuff in the same amount of time of one dungeon run?

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Originally Posted by Huntington

Oh but it is, how else will I get a great source of EXP, Gil, Myth tomes, and Soldiery tomes if I dont do my once a day Duty Roulette? I have several of them after all. I have to use it then, what's the solution to getting all the tomes I need and all that other stuff in the same amount of time of one dungeon run?

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He's saying "don't use DF for Coil if you don't want to get bad parties. Use PF instead"

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Originally Posted by Merle

He's saying "don't use DF for Coil if you don't want to get bad parties. Use PF instead"

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The only catch being that every PF group will be "know it and have done it before or get instant kicked". At least whenever I look on PF.

Given that few of my FC are actually of level/gear to take on Coil (we're a very relaxed FC), I'm glad to be able to queue up solo and at least learn it in a worst case scenario.

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Originally Posted by Garlyle

I'm glad to be able to queue up solo and at least learn it in a worst case scenario.

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Exactly. I've been trying to... try T5 for a few weeks and i had no chance. Since i'm monk it's hard to get a PF who needs a melee, and when i found one is always "FARM PARTY" (yeah, sure), "exp until twister", "we'll check lodestone profile for achievement" (really?), Etc.

"Get your own static". No luck with my zone time (gmt+2 and i play from 5pm to 9pm. Most people plays 10pm+)
"Join a FC who does T5". Been playing with the same casual friends from 1.0 since 3 years ago, i refuse to leave them.
"Make your own PF". Of course i did: 2 hours wasted for ONE TRY and then /ragequit or /leave. just great, guys... how do you want to win this battle if you can't stand one defeat?

At least now i'll have a chance to get a party "faster" and more often than usual.