DRG Jump

Hey guys,

I`ve noticed that most of my drg ppl arent really using their jumps.
Why arent they?

I thought jumps have a different cooldown timer and add to the overall dps. I tend to use my jump skills in between my combos.
But i barely see another drg use their jumps, so maybe i missed a point why it isnt really helpful to use them. Just wanna learn ^^

cheers

Think you have it right there, different timer so weave in for more dps, and of course the spineshatter dive stuns, dragonfire dive big damage to multiple targets, and both can clear some distance to hit something far away which is cool.

yes that was my guess too.
im running alot of coil turns atm and other drgs never used their jumps in boss battles.
i dont know, maybe there is a big downside on using that skills that i haved seen yet.

just curious about other opinions

Hi there :D . Idk about "pro" DRG's , but i myself using Jump & Spineshatter Dive in between combos , using Dragonfire Dive for Aoe , also Spineshatter Dive & Dragonfire Dive good to use for reach enemy or group of enemy fast (like Coil t4 etc) . Also Jump itself with Job ability's up doing good chunk of damage :D . There few situations i noticed is when prefroming "Jump" is not good : when Enemy doing special move (red indicator) or Aoe move , or Plume (like Titan) etc , because seems while Animation of "Jump" going - game thinks that player still stand in position , from where jump was actually performed D: .
Also not to forget "Elusive Jump" is good tool to fly over big toxic pools like CT :D

It's probably just that jump itself really doesn't add much in the way of damage, (I *think* it's a 2-5% overall increase when all jumps are kept on CD, but keeping them on CD all the time would probably be inefficient in the long run) and in fights like Titan ex it can very easily get you killed if not timed right. The risks of using it in those kind of fights outweigh the benefit of a tiny amount of extra damage, unless you're very comfortable with the bosses rotation and can easily tell when it's 'safe' to jump. Just my opinion anyway.

tbh if i have to focuse on movement in the battle i only use 2 rotations plus the attack from the side which gives me a buff.

but in battles where you only burst out dps in tend to use my jumps too (got them on a macro with the jump buff).
but even then other drgs dont use their jumps...dont know why. which is why i started this thread

I use my jumps-infact I use all my CDs a lot depending on battles. I weave in stuff like Leg Sweep, Power Surge + Jump, Spineshatter, etc in between my combos.

Only times I won't is when I need to save them for something. On battles that require the tank to stun, I refuse to use leg sweep/spineshatter dive to avoid them resisting stuns (unless the tank isn't stunning or is missing stuns, then I may try and see if I can use them to help - did it on Siren once for instance with lunatic voice). I save Spineshatter Dive for gap-closing in Garuda EX (Dragonfire Dive if and only if spiney plume is away from my target).

I also prioritize movement above using any of my combos/CDs so it's still not an issue in stuff like Titan. I get as much DPS as I can out while still moving to avoid plumes and such.

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Originally Posted by Eravel

It's probably just that jump itself really doesn't add much in the way of damage, (I *think* it's a 2-5% overall increase when all jumps are kept on CD, but keeping them on CD all the time would probably be inefficient in the long run) and in fights like Titan ex it can very easily get you killed if not timed right. The risks of using it in those kind of fights outweigh the benefit of a tiny amount of extra damage, unless you're very comfortable with the bosses rotation and can easily tell when it's 'safe' to jump. Just my opinion anyway.

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Yeah, any % boost in your DPS = Efficient, especially in DPS check phases in fights. This is what separates the good from the bad, timing is part of your "skillset".

DRGs who are not weaving their Jump skills into their combos are going to be doing significantly less DPS than one that is.

The only reasons you shouldn't use them are:
A) You know an AoE is coming up, and don't want to be caught in the air.
B) You need to refresh your DoTs/Heavy Thrust

Any DRG worth his salt should be using them.

Not that I'm the #1 DRG in the game, I'm not even close.
However, to maximize DPS (like you should be), you should be using your Jump skills.

The worst thing is seeing a lvl 50 DRG in i90 gear doing nothing but 1-2-3 (Full Thrust combo)

Because jumps aren't safe with a lot of mechanics. Especially when the game can be unforgiving for messing up once.

When it comes to boss fights it is best to consider using your "Jump"s as a punishing ability for when they mess up.

I'll admit that I'm not even close to being a top tier DRG, but I try to always include my Jumps in my rotation.

Impulse Drive Combo-->Debuffs-->Heavy Thrust-->Monk Buff+Blood for Blood-->True Thrust+Vorpal Thrust-->Life Surge-->Full Thrust--> Jump Buff-->Jump-->Spine Dive&Dragon Dive

i use jump depend on enemy hp which is thrash mob no need to use jump
for boss Impulse Drive Combo>Phlebotomize>Heavy thrust>Internal Release>True Thrust>BFB>Vorpal Thrust>Power Surge>Full Thrust>Jump>True Thrust>Leg Sweep/Spineshatter>Vorpal Thrust>Life Surge>Full Thrust>Dragondive

direct burst?no no no, spineshatter dive, dragonfire dive and reverse elusive jump are all gap closers to reduce dps downtime

Depending on the fight you don't want to be weaving Spineshatter into your Rotation. Some fights require a timed Stun for specific interrupts on boss abilities. Using Spineshatter will count towards the DR Timer on the boss.

I like to weave a Jump in after a True Thrust combo since it about takes up the GCD time, but in some fights it's not the best idea to let yourself get locked into an animation if there's a lot of AOE attacks or something.

"jump aren't safe", guys... I can't remember how many times jumps saved my ass...
On titan ex, I got a rez during a landslide, I could not avoid it so I jumped (stunning jump) and instead of being knocked-back I was safe on the boss. This is one of the countless examples I have ... drg that are not used to use their jump are bad because they don't have the reflex to use them when it can save their ass from a mistake. And the deference between being alive and dead for a dd is eveything.
Dead dd don't do any damages.
We (drg) are given amazing tools (and very cool), it's a shame not to use them.

I use my jumps all the time.

I mostly use spineshatter jump as a distance closer though, and save basic Jump and Dragonfire for damaging. But that's just me personally.

u can jump and still move now , u arent locked in place anymore

weaving jumps is a huge dps boost (jumps are off GCD)

life surge >full thrust + power surge > jump for burst dmg , 1300 dmg + 1100 dmg in the same GCD? <3

Depending on the fight, I may keep spineshatter or dragonfire on CD for increased mobility. T6 comes to mind, if you're doing the briar strat since it lowers time in/out significantly, as well as helping get the bee down faster.

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

life surge >full thrust + power surge > jump for burst dmg , 1300 dmg + 1100 dmg in the same GCD? <3

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2 GCDs worth of time there, and it would be more efficient to use something between power surge and jump, as they're both off the GCD. Doing surge + jump back to back causes you to delay your next on GCD ability.

Also 1300 full thrust with life surge? I wish I had 110ilvl already, because i90+ with an allagan weapon doesn't even let me do that on trash.

I use Jump when Power Surge is off cooldown as a combo bonus with a Life Surge Full Thrust (They both share the same cooldown so it's good to pair them.) And I will use jump OFF That cooldown if I need an extra burst for a DPS check.

Dragonfire Dive and Spineshatter dive are gap closers, Dragonfire dive used as a priority when I should not stun or there are multiple DPS targets in range. (Also use it on gathered trash.)

Elusive Jump I used either to close or gain gaps depending on circumstance. It's a powerful maneuvering tool and hate drop (I can pull hate off my tanks if I'm not careful, so I use it as insurance.)

I use jumps all the time. It's just about know what makes them effective. I use Spineshatter Dive to traverse the field quickly to move between targets since using it as a stun can mess things up. I use Dragonfire on Titan during the Heart Phase if people are smart enough to run towards Titan when they get Gaoled.

To effectively use Jumps, they need to line up with your cool downs. Just using them in the middle of your rotation is a waste of DPS. I like to do HT > ID > Disembowel > CT > Phlebotomize > HT > Inner Release> TT > Blood for Blood > VT > Life Surge > FT > Power Surge > Jump. VT usually does about 1200 and depending on my luck, Jump will either do 750 or 1000. If you use Jump outside of your cool downs, it's kind of a waste at only 300ish. With the recast, it usually comes back around the same time as the rest of my cool downs, so it's just part of my big damage rotation.

If you're doing a fight like Titan, you can't spam jumps willy nilly or you're a liability. The only time you can safely do a jump is during stomps or a Goal targeting.

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Originally Posted by Gormogon

Because jumps aren't safe with a lot of mechanics. Especially when the game can be unforgiving for messing up once.

When it comes to boss fights it is best to consider using your "Jump"s as a punishing ability for when they mess up.

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If you know what you're doing, you can safely jump all the time even on Titan. I do that. Sure, you're an idiot if you jump knowing a landslide is coming up, but doing so while landslide has already fixed is a great idea. It's all about timing.
Not to mentions that jumps give you a GREAT mobility. You can quickly travel over yalms covered in DoT circles, quickly close in on a target when it gets far from you, or swiftly getting out of the way of a big AoE with Elusive Jump.

It's really only unsafe if you have no idea of what you're doing and just smashing buttons.

It could also be a habit for some Dragoons from the early days of 2.0, before they tweaked the servers' read time, when using the Jumps was more of a liability than a benefit. A common statement among Dragoons was "We have these cool Jumps but they're just such ass." So old habits can be a little hard to die.

I haven't checked in awhile, so I don't know if the Rotation Reborn thread has been updated recently, but I'm trying to weave my various Jumps in. Though, right now, I'm using them more as gap-closers.

You should be but if you don't have the timing down and it's a dodge-heavy fight, it might be safer not to use them.

And then there are fights like Ifrit HM for instance or Diabolos where you want the boss to only build stun resistance when necessary (3 stuns per minute, after that they're immune till the minute from the first stun is up), so Spineshatter is right out the window for those situations.

Well, its all about knowing when its safe to do so. I ran a few coils early on as drg where the tank would have issue holding hate or didn't know how to hold still. One mis-placed jump meant that I'd be eating a hood swipe while I'm stuck in one place.
Other times, like for titan, its important to weave them in if you can during stomps or after abilities. Otherwise if you try too late during a landslide or weights, you'll be in big trouble. If the moves didn't lock you down and you were still able to move (think ring of thorns) I'd /probably/ use them more often. But because I can't always count on bosses to not kill me (Garuda EX, it doesn't hurt too much but getting stuck in an AoE circle that appears by chance under you) I'll sadly be a little cautious.

But when I can, and if they're both up, I'll use the jump boost skill + regular jump on an enemy between a combo or after a combo to work a little more dps in.

During boss fights I save them for bust dps situations (Conflags in t5 | Gaols in Titan | adds in Levi EX) but in dungeons its a free for all!

Reading this thread makes me begin to understand why there are so many terrible Dragoons.