Atma hunting THANK YOU SE!

I can't tell you how refreshing it is to be doing open world content with lots of other players and for a reward other than gil or seals. Sure we had fate groups before, but seeing so many people all enjoying the content together (honestly I think most of the complaints are on the forums not in game) is awesome and I hope you concentrate more on this type of content going forward and maybe less of the instance stuff (as fun as it is). Maybe develop some other systems in addition to FATE's so people aren't put off by the name?

I've always had fond memories of the beta for this game, but until now I couldn't put my finger on why. Now I realise it's because back then there were no dungeons and everyone was out in the world playing together rather than just the 4 or 8 man dungeons we get together for now.

If I could make a suggestion for open world content you could add going forward: Maybe bring in fates based around gathering so all the gatherers can get together to achieve a goal within an allotted time, or maybe some kind of hamlet defence like in Guild Wars ( and FFXIV 1.0 i believe). Either way thanks and keep it coming! :cool:

Making you farm fates already existing in game while no one in your fate farm party talks in group is hardly 'refreshing'.

..and healers standing by your side letting u die!!! All of them in Cleric Instance. lol

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Originally Posted by KenzieLynch

I can't tell you how refreshing it is to be doing open world content with lots of other players and for a reward other than gil or seals. Sure we had fate groups before, but seeing so many people all enjoying the content together (honestly I think most of the complaints are on the forums not in game) is awesome and I hope you concentrate more on this type of content going forward and maybe less of the instance stuff (as fun as it is). Maybe develop some other systems in addition to FATE's so people aren't put off by the name?

I've always had fond memories of the beta for this game, but until now I couldn't put my finger on why. Now I realise it's because back then there were no dungeons and everyone was out in the world playing together rather than just the 4 or 8 man dungeons we get together for now.

If I could make a suggestion for open world content you could add going forward: Maybe bring in fates based around gathering so all the gatherers can get together to achieve a goal within an allotted time, or maybe some kind of hamlet defence like in Guild Wars ( and FFXIV 1.0 i believe). Either way thanks and keep it coming! :cool:

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Originally Posted by Lullololita

Making you farm fates already existing in game while no one in your fate farm party talks in group is hardly 'refreshing'.

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This. The sad part is farming in the Processing Plant at 50 is more rewarding than every single one of these zones they actually chose. It's not even good fate farming. It's the sad pathetic b*****d child of fate grinding where I'm doing level 10 fates with an extremely small fraction of my abilities for all of 30-40 seals. The gear I'm wearing wears down so much that I loose money on repair bills. This wasn't thought through enough.

Most of the people you see enjoying the content probably aren't enjoying it.

It's an illusion of group play. No one talks, everyone just spams buttons like it doesn't even matter while being half asleep.

i still wonder why ppl's even doing atma parties , i got all 12 with choco in few days :O

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Originally Posted by Vladislav

i still wonder why ppl's even doing atma parties , i got all 12 with choco in few days :O

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Because it's completely random at what rate you'll get the drop? Just because you lucked into getting it early doesn't mean everyone else will. And how you say it really just comes off as bragging.

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Originally Posted by Volgera

..and healers standing by your side letting u die!!! All of them in Cleric Instance. lol

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Healing doesn't give good FATE contribution. Healers want their Atmas too!

Also, nobody is enjoying this FATE crap. We're just doing it because we have to for the Relic upgrade. Everybody disappeared into dungeons when they were added because dungeons are actually somewhat fun, and FATEs are not.

I'm seriously wondering what kind of drugs people like the OP are on, or if they're just posting this stuff to troll.

Yeah thank you SE.
For making healer upgrade weapon by not healing anyone.
For making Tank upgrade weapon by using Flash then hope they can lose all the aggro ASAP.
For making DPS upgrade weapon by attacking every mob once rather than using a rotation to KILL them.

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Because it's completely random at what rate you'll get the drop? Just because you lucked into getting it early doesn't mean everyone else will. And how you say it really just comes off as bragging.

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Reread the guy you replied to.

You go with chocobo + yourself, NOT with 7 other people. You can easily get gold even in crowded areas.

I thought it was only me that found this ATMA thing so damn stupid.

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Originally Posted by Vladislav

i still wonder why ppl's even doing atma parties , i got all 12 with choco in few days :O

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I'm unlocking all my dungeons first, extreme Leviathan first! Atma weapon can wait till after I help the kobolds :D.

Why in Eorzea would you rush it?

So delicious!

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Originally Posted by Chiramu

I'm unlocking all my dungeons first, extreme Leviathan first! Atma weapon can wait till after I help the kobolds :D.

Why in Eorzea would you rush it?

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Extreme Leviathan can wait, kobolds can wait.

Why in Eorzea would you rush those?

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Originally Posted by Chiramu

I'm unlocking all my dungeons first, extreme Leviathan first! Atma weapon can wait till after I help the kobolds :D.

Why in Eorzea would you rush it?

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I didnt rush @ all , started it right after done Levi hard :O Maybe it was just luck i got too fast , atm helping wife with atma lmao , cause she losing her "FATE" on drops D:

Priorities: Cap Sold Tomes -> T6-9 -> Beast Tribes -> Real life -> Watch anime -> Farm Atma.

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Originally Posted by Arcaloid

Yeah thank you SE.
For making healer upgrade weapon by not healing anyone.
For making Tank upgrade weapon by using Flash then hope they can lose all the aggro ASAP.
For making DPS upgrade weapon by attacking every mob once rather than using a rotation to KILL them.

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Aye, aye! Proper game mechanics are overrated!

I feel that run from fate to fate and then use my macro to cast 8 blizzards II is really fun and exciting!

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Originally Posted by Doo

Most of the people you see enjoying the content probably aren't enjoying it.

It's an illusion of group play. No one talks, everyone just spams buttons like it doesn't even matter while being half asleep.

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actually I am enjoy it and I have no problem with it. I farm fate since 2 days ago and got a few atma while talking and joke on mumble with my FC and static.

IMO, it is the player fault if they don't know how to enjoy the game.

I'm actually enjoying the Atma journey... I think people are being impractical by thinking that they need to get it immediately, thus making it a miserable grind for hours on end. I'm just doing one or two most everyday and I'm enjoying myself and the parties I get into.

People complaining about silence is just... Foolish. If no one is talking, start talking! Don't not talk and complain about no one talking to you! Crack a joke, do something! You're in a group with 7 other people who are thinking the same thing but don't want to start first.

I love the FATE farm! And no, I'm not joking, I'm being serious.

I'm going to guess that anyone who complains about the way to get the Atma upgrade never played XI... Seriously, grinding FATES is fine with me, it may be a low chance of getting the drops but it's much more likely you'll eventually get them than it was in XI, most people gave up hope of ever getting one because you had to dedicate your life to the game to stand any chance of getting one.

People are just used to having things handed to them, if nothing is a bit hard to get, then nothing will ever be special in the game. There is always an element of luck in getting loot its just the Atma requires much more luck and rightly so!

If I see someone with an Atma my first reaction now is " ooooOOOOO! they got a nice Atma, shiney! they must have worked hard for that!" If it was easier i'd be like "Meh I can get one of those"

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Originally Posted by Brady672

I love the FATE farm! And no, I'm not joking, I'm being serious.

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Well good for you! now in the land of the people not on some kind of drug this atma mess is just an annoying forced fate grind "Period" if I didn't care about progressing my relic I wouldn't even do it.

My FC mate got his atma's on release day my other FC mate still has none after hours of grinding, while I only have one -_- this is not fun in anyway! it is not refreshing or exciting and for the ppl that have wasted countless hours only to have nothing still, its very, very aggravating.

Ppl don't want the atma's handed to them, they want to know that their time grinding will eventually have some reward! at this point its all been based on luck......how is that fun to you people? yea im having a blast sitting in fate party watching lucky few get their drop while others suffer for hours on end to get their or end up stopping from frustration.

happy happy joy joy!

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Originally Posted by Doo

Most of the people you see enjoying the content probably aren't enjoying it.

It's an illusion of group play. No one talks, everyone just spams buttons like it doesn't even matter while being half asleep.

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Yoshida (Posey's version) couldn't have said it better. The only thing that resembles party is the list of people and the "Full Party" on top of them. Nothing else.

Random people shouldn't have a relic, it's why they set "steep" requirement.
Didn't people complain about how everybody and their mother got a relic ?

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Originally Posted by XNihili

Random people shouldn't have a relic, it's why they set "steep" requirement.
Didn't people complain about how everybody and their mother got a relic ?

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Because people want a challange and a reward that actually means something, but when they finally get the option it's suddenly to hard and it's ruining the game and people want their atmas right now.

OP here. It seems a few people in the thread have brushed over the majority of what I said and are just throwing the same complaints out we have had since 2.2 launched.

So to elaborate on my original post, if you bothered to read the whole thing you will see that I was complimenting SE on the introduction of open world content in general, not just the Atma fates. I suggested the implementation of other systems in addition to FATEs, aswell as proposed ideas for other types of open world content.

The point is this: The new Relic upgrade quest might not be exactly what you were hoping for, you might find elements of it tedious, but if you cannot recognise SE's willingness to try new approaches to delivering content, and attempts to listen to the community, then you will be in part responsible for every new patch being nothing but a coat of paint. Instead of frothing at the mouth and yelling in all caps "THIS SUCKS RNG AW HELL NAW!" then why not stop and make suggestions of how SE can make better open world content?

If the majority of you get your way, SE will just close the lane off altogether and you can go back to complaining that there isn't any reason to leave Mor Dhona.

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Originally Posted by KenzieLynch

So to elaborate on my original post, if you bothered to read the whole thing you will see that I was complimenting SE on the introduction of open world content in general, not just the Atma fates...

The point is this: The new Relic upgrade quest might not be exactly what you were hoping for, you might find elements of it tedious, but if you cannot recognise SE's willingness to try new approaches to delivering content, and attempts to listen to the community, then you will be in part responsible for every new patch being nothing but a coat of paint.

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Hi Kenzie,

Great post. I agree. Initially I balked at the Atma FATE grind - it still is boring to grind FATES - but the more I thought about it, I came to the same conclusion you did: It's content that's Open World, which is a *good* thing IMHO.

As for how to make the Zodiac Weapon / Relic Upgrading more interesting with Open World?

Overall it seems like the team simply didn't have enough New Content / Venues to really develop the "True Relics" we're working on: If you look at a previous Final Fantasy, I loved that you had to get your upgrades battling in a foreboding, moody *High Level* (more Challenging) environment (like Dynamis-Xarcabard). In the early years, this was still a challenging set of areas to battle in with 64 players, and there were multiple objectives so there were many things to do, even if you didn't care about grinding currency (a requirement for Relics).

I loved how you could take a Side Path and fight a hard Notorious Monster that could drop a key item you needed (and you needed the help of many people) to get your Attestation of [Might, Justice, etc.], etc.

I hope we get more interesting challenges as our Zodiac weapon develops that have players take on real challenges.

It seems like Yoshi P made Coil Weapons a drop from "the hardest dungeon" and split off the concept of "Relics" to be an alternate timesink you do that's more "casual friendly"? It feels like it should've been making the Real Relics tied to the hardest content in the game, and having Other Weapons (slightly less powerful) be rewards from other venues.

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Originally Posted by KenzieLynch

I can't tell you how refreshing it is to be doing open world content with lots of other players and for a reward other than gil or seals. Sure we had fate groups before, but seeing so many people all enjoying the content together [...]

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It doesn't feel like that though...

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Originally Posted by Brady672

Because people want a challange and a reward that actually means something, but when they finally get the option it's suddenly to hard and it's ruining the game and people want their atmas right now.

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This, I have never been this challenged in all my gaming life, this quest put my ability to press 1 and even sometimes 2 to the maximum test, I mean I even had to move from place from place and it was tough. I feel like I'm a super expert player now, Twintania was cake compared to this great challenge!

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Originally Posted by Brady672

Because people want a challange and a reward that actually means something, but when they finally get the option it's suddenly to hard and it's ruining the game and people want their atmas right now.

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I agree S.E even threw in more lag to make the game more challenging. Isn't that what everyone asked for? More challenging?

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Originally Posted by Volgera

..and healers standing by your side letting u die!!! All of them in Cleric Instance. lol

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I do that. Sorry, dear party members, but unless you're the main tank, the best way of getting gold is going around DoTing everything.

I will still raise you if you die. Promise.

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Originally Posted by Brady672

Because people want a challange and a reward that actually means something, but when they finally get the option it's suddenly to hard and it's ruining the game and people want their atmas right now.

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I got my 1st drop in my 23rd hour of FATE grinding. It's not that I want them NOW, it's that I want to be making some kind of progress in all this grinding, and I also want it to be a grind for everyone who does the quest, not just the unlucky ones.

For example, if they'd made FATEs have a 20% chance to drop an Atma Shard, and you need 100 of these from each zone to assemble that zone's Atma, I would be much more okay with that, but if they really wanted to get people out in the world doing the content and socializing, they could have made it a quest to complete every FATE that spawns in the zone before you receive the Atma for that zone (they could even include Odin for every zone in the Shroud!). That, I think, would have been an interesting way to get people engaged with each other and the content.

This is just a horribly badly designed quest. The upgrade should be difficult to get, I'm with you on that, but it shouldn't be 100% luck and 0% skill/tenacity, the way it is now.

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Originally Posted by Brady672

Because people want a challange and a reward that actually means something, but when they finally get the option it's suddenly to hard and it's ruining the game and people want their atmas right now.

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There is zero challenge in grinding FATEs. If it weren't for having to move between them, I could spam the Blizzard II button while I read a book or played another game and be guaranteed gold on nearly every one with little to no risk of failure. The only challenge is whether you can endure the tedium for long enough to get lucky.

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Originally Posted by AdvancedWind

I do that. Sorry, dear party members, but unless you're the main tank, the best way of getting gold is going around DoTing everything.

I will still raise you if you die. Promise.

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Didn't you know that you get credit for healing as well....? Dot on mob, heal whoever is playing tank in your party: Bam- Gold.

I said fates were the best for this and its true how ever since yesterdays huge spikes of lag I haven't seen one atma crystal I obtained 5 and been in central thanalan 75 fates in and not one drop.

I am so sick of looking at the zone I am afraid if I go to another zone progress will be lost.

just as I made the post 76 fates and Scale atma crystal drops. CYA thanalan.

I like game. I don't like like fates tho. It's mindless boring grind. Why do I kill lvl 3 mobs with relic anyway. It's tiring, not refreshing at all. Fates in general are no fun.

Pros/
+ Open world content
+ Long term goal

Cons/
- Fate
- Mindless zerg fest