The whiners are always the loudest because they're spending more time here than playing the game, but I just wanted to remind everyone of the original relic grind. Are people forgetting the insane amount of crappy groups you had to go through for Chimera, Hydra, Garuda HM and especially Titan HM for the first relic? Of course they don't remember because they either asked people to help them or paid for the carry.
I was one of the people that beat Titan HM first time without a carry and it was a dedication that required 2-3 weeks. First, we had to gear up to have decent HP for tumults and at least farm Ifrit or Garuda HM for the weapons before attempting him. It was one hell of a challenge as fresh 50's.
Now we have the new relics and many already have it the very second day. Because guess what, it requires absolutely no challenge at all. It's hilarious people found a way to whine about this. They probably didn't see the launch days. If anything, this is more casual in everything. You will get your new weapon faster than you beat Titan HM the first time (if you did that legitly).
Are people forgetting the first relic grind?
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03-30-2014, 07:12 AMFerociousAre people forgetting the first relic grind?
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03-30-2014, 07:20 AMViore
lol? do u even know what ppl r whining about? i dont think so...they dont whine about all the grinding, they whine about fkin low atma droprates and (becoz of that) extreme boring fate farming. the real grind starts after the arma collecting. i dont see a problem in that 2nd step for relic update, but the first part is rly rly bad coz of RNG...but...there are enough of such threads here...so...just saying the first "relic grind", what u say wasnt even a grind, was totaly not the same we are seeing now.
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03-30-2014, 07:23 AMArkista
I would rather do all that 20 times over than to have to keep farming these Atmas. Almost 20hrs and still only 1 atma. There are some people that still don't even have one and they have done more than 20hrs.
I had to get off I started to fall asleep. Same thing happened to me pre 2.1 all the time, I hated doing fates they are boring. -
03-30-2014, 07:27 AMEardstapa
Everyone enjoys the idea of the books, not many enjoy the RNG unless they are one of the lucky few, posting here to show off their weapon and torment those that have not had any luck with the RNG.
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03-30-2014, 07:27 AMNinix
Yeah, except that Titan HM was actually challenging and enjoyable, whereas mindlessly grinding low level FATEs is neither of those.
Even when I was suffering through shitty group after shitty group in Titan HM as a freshly minted 50 at launch I was still having more fun inside the duty than I'd be having spamming Bio in FATE groups.
This Atma grind will take anywhere from 25 (very low end) to 50 hours for a dedicated player to complete, depending on luck. It did not take the average person 40 hours of gameplay to kill Titan HM unless they were very bad or had absolutely awful luck with groups.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ferocious
I was blocked on Titan for almost a week before clearing him and it was probably around 10 hours of play. -
03-30-2014, 08:46 AMEdellis
The Atma/Animus weapon grind is the most casual addition to FFXIV. There are other weapons obtainiable through the content that actually require you to play the game, which are much harder to get and equally as strong as the max upgraded animus.
Either you can spawn camp fates for hours while you try not to nod off to sleep, or you can progress into Leviathian and obtain his weapon, and upgrade that.
One takes hours of grinding, another takes hours of actually playing FFXIV. -
03-30-2014, 08:57 AMBoboTheHobo
I long for the first relic quest. The only challenge for atmas is to figure out how to put all the spells you haven't used for months like blizzard back onto your hotbar.
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03-30-2014, 09:03 AMEternally
Atma drop rate is fine ...
IT'S NOT HIGH ... Also NOT LOW
Doing like an average of 40fates per map is not that bad ... at least for me (( took me around 18hours to get 12 Atmas )) but still worth it
I enjoyed doing a Win-Win... Farmed for my Weapon also farmed the seals for my crafts to get 2 crafts to master and I think i'll be start farming next weapon ( Atma weapon )
GG SE Keep going -
03-30-2014, 09:04 AMFelis
Maybe they should replace Atma farming with Hamlet Defence 1.0 ^^
Or put in some sort of ranking to the FATEs and the ones in the top 3 get a higher droprate -
03-30-2014, 09:04 AMPrototype909About to hit 20 hours and I've only got 2. Non-stop FATEs. Your experience =/= the typical experience with this content.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eternally
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03-30-2014, 09:05 AMSynthesis
I don't mind long-term grind. But fates are just boring.
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03-30-2014, 09:10 AMGezeru
If you're talking about the first relic quest, then talk about THE first relic in 1.0. The current Zodiac quest is a breeze compared to what some of us did in 1.0. This thread very clearly shows you the amount you had to do for 1 relic. http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...rn-Walkthrough
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03-30-2014, 09:11 AMBoboTheHoboLook at it from the other side. How would you feel if you spent the same 18hrs and got none? 20? 50? That is where a lot of the frustration comes from.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eternally
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03-30-2014, 09:12 AMAlegis
People are asking for phantasia on the store to buy for crysta, i ask for an Monkey which is doin that brainless crap fate grinding for us.
SE, just stop overusing FATEs damnit. Fates for Quests, for the Story, for events, Relics. FATEs, FATEs, FATEs everywhere and for everything, it gets boring...
And funny how some people are unable to understand that if they got their Atma more or less quickly, it isnt the same for everyone because of that poor RNG.
An FC mate did FATEs for 3 Days and didnt got a single one yet while others have all 12 already. I mean... what the hell?
And no, i dont ask for Relics on Day-1, just for an more fun and special way to get it where some dont have to do 20 times the amount of work which others have to do to aquire it. -
03-30-2014, 09:15 AMGilraen
I think people are forgetting the REAL original relic quest. Yeah, I speak of 1.0. In the original quest you needed three tokens from each of the three Hamlets that you could defend. The chances of a token dropping were low as is, in order to even have a 'good' chance you had to score perfectly and have one of the top 10 Hamlet crafters in the battle with you. Further, you had to buy a key item from the Companies that cost 25,000 seals but in order to even have the ability to buy it you had to be an officer, which was itself a 25,000 seal requirement. Similar to the current quest, that was all just to get Rowena (who was an Ul'dahn whore at the time) to get you on the path to turn in a specially prepared weapon to forge into your relic, which still required you to fight Ifrit Extreme to finalize. Relics in 1.0 were understandably rare because of all that. We're just two days in and already people have their relics +2 and are working on going +3. Grind... right.
Damn, beat me to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gezeru
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03-30-2014, 09:20 AMCalyanareFixed. There are plenty of people, myself included, who have been grinding these boring low level FATEs for hours and hours without getting a single drop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gilraen
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03-30-2014, 09:29 AMFelis
Some people should be happy that they haven't did the relict quest in 1.0
Hamlet Defence, I say
1 week only to get 1 seal from 9 -
03-30-2014, 09:31 AMEardstapaI actually enjoyed FFXI NM drop rates over this, since I knew the item I was after would be an upgrade... But hey, can't win 'em all. I'll just keep capping Soldiery.Quote:
Originally Posted by Felis
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03-30-2014, 09:37 AMNatashio
Thank god this game isn't FFXI... All the people complaining imagine yourself being the 7th thief in line in a Dynamis-Xarcabard linkshell static (pre-abyssia of course). You ain't getting that drop, unless you ninja'ed that thing...
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03-30-2014, 10:07 AMSpankyThe value is low so that you dont go and get it in 2-3 days (at least not the casual player)Quote:
Originally Posted by Viore