Need adice on how to gain and hold enmity as a mrd

I have tanked before as a Paladin and gotten pretty decent with it, it takes alot to get aggro off of me but as a mrd who is lvl 19 atm, cannot for the life of me hold hate, I found myself too many times using provoke followed by an enmity generating skill to gain hate, I tried over power twice and flash once followed by heavy swing and skull sunder and I still lose aggro, so is there a better rotation I need to know for early lvl tanking?

It's basically start with an overpower, then heavy swing, skull sunder. butchers block I don't think u have at level 19, once u get it hate will be a piece of cake though, so maybe start with overpower. Heavy swing. Maim. Then heavy swing and skull sunder rotation.
As for multiple targets in dungeons I start with 3 times overpower then go through HS-maim,HS-SS rotation and alternate on all mobs

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Originally Posted by joshdavis271

I tried over power twice and flash once followed by heavy swing and skull sunder and I still lose aggro, so is there a better rotation I need to know for early lvl tanking?

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There's not really a point to having Flash as a WAR/MRD since it's not like you have the MP to use it more than 1-2 times per fight and it generates a crapton less than Overpower will.

As to what you need to do to maintain aggro pre-Butcher's Block, all you have to do is spam Overpower. Open up with 1-2 Overpowers, HS>Maim, and then Overpower a few more times. Overpower generates *way* more enmity than any other ability you've got up until you get BB: Overpower is 120 potency with a 5x enmity mod, for 600 ePot/use; HS doesn't have a mod and SS has an 3x mod, so HS>SS is a paltry 375 ePot/gcd. As such, you'll use Overpower to establish an enmity cushion and then use HS>SS for damage purposes afterwards.

I usually press 1,2,3 and 1,2,3 and it seems to work!

What I did on low lvls as marauder; tomahawk and mark the enemy to kill first, spammed overpower until my tp was at around 500, auto-attacked to get tp back while going through every enemy's aggro meters to see if I had to do few more overpowers(with 3-monster pulls I normally had to do one or two enmity combos to the last one so that healer didn't get aggro.)

I've started to level paladin few days ago, and imo it's harder to keep aggro at low levels than it was with marauder. Well, I still most of the times can keep it, but it needs alot more work.

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Originally Posted by JeTaisNoobie

I usually press 1,2,3 and 1,2,3 and it seems to work!

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Well, I'm curious of what skill you have at those numbers. Bevause at lvl 19 you only have the first two actions of your main-enmity-combo, to which it seems like you're referring to. And if you only do that I can't help but to wonder what happens to the other enemies at the pull, cause surely you can't do the main combo fast enough to be able to do it on every enemy at a pull before healer has to heal.

I've played as a GLD and a MRD, and both are pretty much exactly the same as far as gaining enmity. Both have a move for hitting multiple mobs, a ranged enmity move, and both have a 1-2-3 combo.

MRD: 1.) Heavy Swing 2.) Skull Sunder 3.) Butcher's Block AOE: Overpower Ranged: Tomahawk

GLD: 1.) Fast Blade 2.) Savage Blade 3.) Rage of Halone AOE: Flash Ranged: Shield Lob


Generally I follow the same routine in dungeons on both jobs, using what you have access to at the current level.

Pull the group with the ranged ability, throw about 2-3 AoE moves, than rotate your 1-2-3 combo(or 1-2 combo if too low for 3) while tabbing through the enemies your fighting, using them on the enemies that need them the most 1st, If you feel you need enmity on more than one mob at a certain time, throw out a random AoE.

One thing of importance I might mention. Make sure you are using Skull Sunder as as a combo with Heavy Swing, not just spamming it. You will net a lot more enmity with a combo'd Skull Sunder than you will with just Skull Sunder spam by a noticeable degree.

Using that strategy has gotten me through the lower levels of MRD just fine. Honestly the only reason I feel the the lower levels of GLD are easier to hold aggro than the lower levels of MRD is just because Flash is a lot more "user-friendly" since you can get anything around you with it, and Overpower you need to position them a bit more perfectly before you can use it efficiently.

If you can do paladin, war is no problem. Weapon up to date?

Low level, like below 30? That's easy. Set every key on your hotbars to Overpower. Roll face in RIGHT TO LEFT motions (DIRECTION IS IMPORTANT!) and repeat until fight is over. Let TP refill, move onto next pull.

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Originally Posted by Truefaith87

Low level, like below 30? That's easy. Set every key on your hotbars to Overpower. Roll face in RIGHT TO LEFT motions (DIRECTION IS IMPORTANT!) and repeat until fight is over. Let TP refill, move onto next pull.

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Originally Posted by AniCelestine

Well, I'm curious of what skill you have at those numbers. Bevause at lvl 19 you only have the first two actions of your main-enmity-combo, to which it seems like you're referring to. And if you only do that I can't help but to wonder what happens to the other enemies at the pull, cause surely you can't do the main combo fast enough to be able to do it on every enemy at a pull before healer has to heal.

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It doesn't matter what I put, it's always 1, 2, 3 followed by 1,2,3

1st, make sure your weapon (at least) is on par to your level. Then, as you're running in, spam tomahawk button until it goes off to initiate the pull. Then, when the mobs are gathered, pop a flash, then move through the mob to make sure they 'stack' throw out an overpower or 2. with 3 mobs, I usually overpower twice. Then start in your HS>SS combo on the mob the DD is hitting (or whatever you mark as 1, if they're not hitting #1, let them have it lol). Then you can go into maim combo and skull sunders rotating on individual targets.

(just for clarification, in my last sentence, by skull sunders, I of course mean combo, not just skull sunder by itself)

I go into berserk and overpower everything.

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/ac "Bloodbath"
/wait 1
/ac "Berserk"

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OP, everyone is making it harder then it is...

Really simple, mark and pull with Tomahawk, drop Overpower twice when the mob groups near you, then go into your rotations.

If you do that, you will only lose hate on the mob that your group is attacking outside your marking.

Works like a charm and you do not need to "SPAM" Overpower.

I have leveled a Gladiator to 50 and are now leveling a Marauder to 50 (40 atm)
Personally I think they are about equal in aggro management with the Marauder having an edge thanks to damage on the AE taunt

But the problem with hate usually boils down to that the DPS don't know or care about hate and keep spamming every attack as soon as they refresh and also do AE or DoT on other mobs in the group
Thus you need to cycle between them to generate hate

or just let the DPSser die until he learns to manage his hate generation

Let's just sum all of this up in a quick line. The only time you shouldn't be overpowering, is when your overpower is on cooldown.

Raging Strikes -> Berserk -> Bloodbath -> OP spam. ;D

It sounds like your weapon might be outdated.
I just leveled MRD to 26 and had no problems at all, even against level sync'd dps wearing full i90 gear.
I just spammed Overpower a LOT and then threw in a HS/SS combo every once in a while.
Just cross class [Invigorate] and double or triple up on the amount of Overpowers you are using and you should be fine.

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Originally Posted by Bardo

Just cross class [Invigorate] and double or triple up on the amount of Overpowers you are using and you should be fine.

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That's an awesome advice, now i think maybe i should play mrd instead of war in 2.2 for the sole sake of more overpowers!!!

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Originally Posted by joshdavis271

I have tanked before as a Paladin and gotten pretty decent with it, it takes alot to get aggro off of me but as a mrd who is lvl 19 atm, cannot for the life of me hold hate, I found myself too many times using provoke followed by an enmity generating skill to gain hate, I tried over power twice and flash once followed by heavy swing and skull sunder and I still lose aggro, so is there a better rotation I need to know for early lvl tanking?

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Looks like you did what you are supposed to do, so I can only think of either your weapon is too low for the content or your teammates are 2+ levels higher than you. Otherwise, there shouldn't be any problem holding hate.

Did someone say overpower alreadY? bro i think you should overpower. incase of losing hate, overpower. if that doesn't work, overpower.

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Originally Posted by Warrlordd

Did someone say overpower alreadY? bro i think you should overpower. incase of losing hate, overpower. if that doesn't work, overpower.

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He, himself, said it on Post #1, bro.