The new Ilvl

So they are introducing new gear with the following ilvls 90-95-100-110-115. This time however, there will be changes.

The new tomes are going to be at a lower level than T6-T9 but it seems there is more to it than that. Leviathan drop will be ilvl 100 but it seems he also drops something special that you turn into something else which Yoshida did not want to spoil.

So for now here is what we know, the new equipments are:

90- Creatable.
95- No idea, but maybe Ex Moogle.
100- Leviathan weapons & the new tomes gear.
110- Allagan Drops.
115- T9 Weapon drops.

From what I understand there is more to it than just numbers this time, lets hope for special stats ^^.

Where was it confirmed T9 will drop new allagan weapons? Someone else mentioned this too but I don't remember reading anything about new allagan weapons, just gear.

It only said that weapons will go up to 115, so its either zodiac weapon upgraded after clearing t9 or t9 drop.

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Originally Posted by Taika

Where was it confirmed T9 will drop new allagan weapons? Someone else mentioned this too but I don't remember reading anything about new allagan weapons, just gear.

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He said highest ilvl in 2.2 in the game are ilvl115 weapons and ilvl110 armour. Afterword he talked about how tomes gear will be at lower ilvl....so yeah just logically mapping out what he said ^^.

Or do you expect anything else but T9 to drop the highest ilvl in the game?

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Originally Posted by Taika

Where was it confirmed T9 will drop new allagan weapons? Someone else mentioned this too but I don't remember reading anything about new allagan weapons, just gear.

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From the Live Letter questions:

Q10: Please tell us the item level of the new equipment that is to be added.

A10: In patch 2.2, weapons will be a maximum of item level 115 and armor item level 110.

Nice, glad to see those ilvls on the raid gear. Hopefully raiders can just use tomes to gear other jobs rather than having to buy too many BiS peices off of a vendor.

So there isn't any actual mentions or screenshots of new allagan weapons anywhere, only speculation?

The item level 115 weapons could be the zodiac relics.

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Originally Posted by Taika

So there isn't any actual mentions or screenshots of new allagan weapons anywhere, only speculation?

The item level 115 weapons could be the zodiac relics.

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He was talking about how players were not motivated enough to do Coil that is why it will be the highest level...it would not make sense at all for T9 to drop anything less than ilvl 115.

Zodiac can be ilvl 110 or 115, but for sure T9 is ilvl115.

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Originally Posted by NeoAmon

He was talking about how players were not motivated enough to do Coil that is why it will be the highest level...

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I understood that he was talking about gear at that point (tomestone gear will be lower item level than coil 2 gear).

It may also be that zodiac weapons will require players to complete coil 2.

I just find it weird that people believe there will be new allagan weapons without there being any mention or screenshots of them. I'm not saying there couldn't be new allagan weapons, but it's curious they wouldn't have been mentioned by now.

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Originally Posted by Taika

I understood that he was talking about gear at that point (tomestone gear will be lower item level than coil 2 gear).

It may also be that zodiac weapons will require players to complete coil 2.

I just find it weird that people believe there will be new allagan weapons without there being any mention or screenshots of them.

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There was screen shot of them, it was shown many times actually. The Allagan tank gear is all over 2.2 video and so is the axe. In the live letter he also showed PLD shield and weapon.

http://dailychocobo.com/wp-content/u...1-07.37.23.png

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Originally Posted by Taika

So there isn't any actual mentions or screenshots of new allagan weapons anywhere, only speculation?

The item level 115 weapons could be the zodiac relics.

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During the demo of the Paladin Lion mount they showed the High Allagan sword and shield also naming them as such if I am not mistaken.

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Originally Posted by NeoAmon

There was screen shot of them, it was shown many times actually. The Allagan tank gear is all over 2.2 video and so is the axe. In the live letter he also showed PLD shield and weapon.

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Well this is exactly what I was asking about! Can you link to these parts with new allagan weapons?

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Originally Posted by Taika

Well this is exactly what I was asking about! Can you link to these parts with new allagan weapons?

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http://dailychocobo.com/wp-content/u...1-07.37.23.png

http://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/t/976...5eddc481_7.png

Cool, thanks! That does indeed look like new allagan weapon with new allagan gear. I assume the new relic gear and weapon are these:

http://i.imgur.com/EZ1GAqG.png

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Originally Posted by Taika

So there isn't any actual mentions or screenshots of new allagan weapons anywhere, only speculation?

The item level 115 weapons could be the zodiac relics.

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In the live demo was a lalafell in allagan gear (the part with the lion)

Oh and they said that Soldiery Gear (Sol Gear) is at a less ilvl than Allagan this time around.

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Originally Posted by NeoAmon

So they are introducing new gear with the following ilvls 90-95-100-110-115. This time however, there will be changes.

The new tomes are going to be at a lower level than T6-T9 but it seems there is more to it than that. Leviathan drop will be ilvl 100 but it seems he also drops something special that you turn into something else which Yoshida did not want to spoil.

So for now here is what we know, the new equipments are:

90- Creatable.
95- No idea, but maybe Ex Moogle.
100- Leviathan weapons & the new tomes gear.
110- Allagan Drops.
115- T9 Weapon drops.

From what I understand there is more to it than just numbers this time, lets hope for special stats ^^.

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New hard modes/LCoA?

Fully Upgraded Zodiac Weapons MAY be ilvl115 too. (Considering its going to actually take time to upgrade them. And needing "rare" item drops.)

they didnt say they would add ilv95 stuff, they just said those are the ilv ranges of items.
C1 weps will still be the only ilv95 items, imo.

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Originally Posted by Shirai

During the demo of the Paladin Lion mount.

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Anyone got a shot of that mount? And is it the promised tank mount (WAR/PLD) or just a mount for PLD?

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Originally Posted by XzaviyrVL

Anyone got a shot of that mount? And is it the promised tank mount (WAR/PLD) or just a mount for PLD?

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It's both, as was stated in the Livestream.

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Originally Posted by XzaviyrVL

Anyone got a shot of that mount? And is it the promised tank mount (WAR/PLD) or just a mount for PLD?

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1963313
lion=pld
bear=war

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Originally Posted by Taika

Cool, thanks! That does indeed look like new allagan weapon with new allagan gear. I assume the new relic gear and weapon are these:

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Nope!
Those are Gerolt's Masterworks, bought with the Tomes of Soldiery.

Right now there is nothing that is clearly identified as the Zodiak (upgraded relic) gear

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Originally Posted by Skies

Nope!
Those are Gerolt's Masterworks, bought with the Tomes of Soldiery.

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I am pretty sure you are stating the same thing as she is for the armor part (it being the new token gear), just misunderstanding her point and which gear she is referring to with her statement. Not sure about the Zodiak stuff though.

On topic: I was honestly surprised that King Mog EX would be on par with Leviathan EX in terms of ilvl requirements. Couldn't quite get myself to take Mog seriously enough. We now know that the Leviathan weapons are i100, but it is indeed curious what Mog will drop.

It was said the Zodiak weapons would be a continuous quest through the future patches designed to make it so that not everyone would have all the needed things to complete a full Zodiak weapon by the time the final patch quest were added. I would assume that you can only upgrade you relic to Zodiak up to a point (ilvl115 would seem to be expected) at which it would be upgraded further as we get more content.

atm we have no idea what upgraded relic/ Zodiak weapons will look like.

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Originally Posted by Tranquil

I am pretty sure you are stating the same thing as she is for the armor part (it being the new token gear), just misunderstanding her point and which gear she is referring to with her statement.

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Yup I meant the new tomestone gear (next level of current mythology gear) = new relic gear = AF2/3 = whatever you want to call it. :)

Allagan2 shouldn't be higher than the new tome gear unless they remove a lockout. Ain't nobody got the will trying their luck in the RNG lottery for months to come.

Allagan"2" loot SHOULD be higher. Should have been higher for t1-9 but it wasn't. At least now it is correct.

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Originally Posted by meJojo

Allagan2 shouldn't be higher than the new tome gear unless they remove a lockout. Ain't nobody got the will trying their luck in the RNG lottery for months to come.

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Allagan 2 will be higher than the new tome gear. I think the idea was a graduation of getting the new tome gear (Sol Gear) and then getting allagan.

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Originally Posted by meJojo

Allagan2 shouldn't be higher than the new tome gear unless they remove a lockout. Ain't nobody got the will trying their luck in the RNG lottery for months to come.

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While I can sympathize with your point (especially given mostly insipid coil RNG luck up until now for myself), the idea that dudes who are only running WP every week in even better gear every single week, while WP stays the same or gets easier due to more gear, to obtain the best gear doesn't really warm me up. At all. It was annoying enough with i90 of myth and allagan. Now that we're getting an additional ilvl upgrade for our gears whilst the dungeons themselves just keep on getting easier for our gear levels, I at least like the idea that SE wants to make us do some actual hard content for the gear.

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Originally Posted by Tranquil

I at least like the idea that SE wants to make us do some actual hard content for the gear.

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And I'm really ok with it........... but the RNG...................

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Originally Posted by Tranquil

We now know that the Leviathan weapons are i100, but it is indeed curious what Mog will drop

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Mmm...

Garuda->Rings
Titan-> Earrings
Ifrit -> Bracelets
Leviathan->Weapons

I guess Good King Moggle Mog will drop chokers

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Originally Posted by Tranquil

We now know that the Leviathan weapons are i100, but it is indeed curious what Mog will drop.

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I envision cute moogle earrings and chokers made of moogle fur :D

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Originally Posted by Merle

And I'm really ok with it........... but the RNG...................

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Is what people were arguing FOR about 4 months ago? I think. I see the future of the game possibly being like Se getting us hooked initially with easy to obtain gear, then mixing that with some long term goals to keep us playing for years. Im fine with that.

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Originally Posted by Merle

And I'm really ok with it........... but the RNG...................

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Yup, I agree. The rate at which we get (or rather do not get) healer loot has been alarming throughout the history of our coiling so I am not really holding my breath to be decked in 110, even if I were to assume we'll start clearing t6 and beyond soon into the patch. (Which is of course the goal as we've all beaten t5 and are waiting for this patch). But at least it means my static will get stronger overall, even if it is not me getting the drops. We shall see. ;x

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Originally Posted by Xairos

Is what people were arguing FOR about 4 months ago? ......[text]..........Im fine with that.

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Well, since i don't have a FC with enough members to do coil, i have to rely on pugs ("get another FC" is not a vaild argument) i've been doing T1 as monk for 4 months trying to get Allagan trousers of Striking. Most of the times i was the only MNK in the party, so it would be a 100% chance to get it. Never. Saw. One.

4 months laters (this monday) i had to join as PLD to fill the party. Our melee was a monk... do you guess what gear it dropped on T1? Bingo!

is this really just "bad luck"? Are you really ok with this system? RNG is ok, but this kind of "RNG" is ridiculous...

I know i'll get a full ilvl 110 Monk in about 4 months with no Allagan2 gear (kinda sad, it looks awesome). I don't have any hopes about coil drops...

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Originally Posted by Merle

I know i'll get a full ilvl 110 Monk in about 4 months with no Allagan2 gear (kinda sad, it looks awesome). I don't have any hopes about coil drops...

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Not if only Allagan2 is i110.

Q13: Will the item level be the same for equipment obtained from the Second Binding Coil of Bahamut and the equipment you can obtain with Allagan tomestones of soldiery?

A13: The item levels will not be necessarily be the same.

For me, this doesnt say that all items from t6-9 will have a higher item lvl then the new tomestones, it says that not all item lvls are equal.

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Originally Posted by Merle

Well, since i don't have a FC with enough members to do coil, i have to rely on pugs ("get another FC" is not a vaild argument) i've been doing T1 as monk for 4 months trying to get Allagan trousers of Striking. Most of the times i was the only MNK in the party, so it would be a 100% chance to get it. Never. Saw. One.

4 months laters (this monday) i had to join as PLD to fill the party. Our melee was a monk... do you guess what gear it dropped on T1? Bingo!

is this really just "bad luck"? Are you really ok with this system? RNG is ok, but this kind of "RNG" is ridiculous...

I know i'll get a full ilvl 110 Monk in about 4 months with no Allagan2 gear (kinda sad, it looks awesome). I don't have any hopes about coil drops...

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No you won't. Yoshi said the Tome gear is a lesser ilvl than Allagan gear this time around...

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Originally Posted by meJojo

Not if only Allagan2 is i110.

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Aw... true... thanks for making me sad ; ;

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Originally Posted by Xairos

Is what people were arguing FOR about 4 months ago? I think. I see the future of the game possibly being like Se getting us hooked initially with easy to obtain gear, then mixing that with some long term goals to keep us playing for years. Im fine with that.

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I've been looking at it the same way... i think the initial gear grind is to get us at a level where players will be at an acceptable end game level when they start adding long term goals for players that want to obtain the uniqueness that they desire.