Hello all.
I just want to clarify or get a consensus/opinion about the scholar fairy. I shall put dot points from what I learned from the quests. I could be wrong, it was my interpretation.
- Each scholar soul stone has one unique fairy attached
- The soul stone we obtain has one fairy named "Lily" attached to it
- "Eos" and "Selene" are two aspects of the one fairy, Lily
- "Eos" represents the sunlight Lily can harness; "Selene" represents the moonlight Lily can harness.
Clarification: The Scholar Fairy
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03-21-2014, 08:08 AMKyanClarification: The Scholar Fairy
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03-21-2014, 08:42 AMAnonymooseThis seems to be the case. Much like how some (all?) soulstones retain the experiences of those who came before, the Scholar stone seems to also retain the memories the fairy used by said scholar. Perhaps this is what differentiates it from Carbuncle, who is a form designed by strategic need and broken down into a mathematical formula as its summoning ritual. Perhaps the fairy is summoned to obey, but as you work together, the experiences are saved into the stone for later use, and the fairy by virtue of this gains a unique identity. I'm not really sure how it works, I'm just making guesses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyan
Also seems to be the case - at least, it is the same fairy that was called Lily by the SCH who carried the stone previously before succumbing to the tonberry sickness. Whether her name is actually Lily and has been since the first carrier is unknown.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyan
That's what the system text implies when it explains how it works, you summon a fairy who manifests as either an aspect of healing or support.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyan
No idea on that part. Eorzea is based on Greece and thus takes Greek concepts. If I remember correctly, Eos is the Greek goddess of Dawn, Selene the Greek goddess of the Moon, wife of the God of Dusk. Lily I'm not sure about the connection. Eorzea does have lilies (flowers) and lilies are yellow, perhaps its the same shade of yellow shared by Selene/Eos?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyan
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03-21-2014, 09:03 AMKyan
The "sunlight" and "moonlight" part I got from the level 30 scholar quest, when you are introduced to the "Selene" and "Eos" modes of the fairy. It says something along the lines of Eos being of the sunlight and Selene being of the moonlight, or using the power of sunlight and moonlight, or something. Not a direct quote (clearly).
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03-25-2014, 09:04 AMNiwashiThe direct quote is:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyan
Alka Zolka: (reading from an ancient tablet)
"The sunlight of Eos doth soothe and shield."
"The moonlight of Selene doth silence and strengthen."
But since I can only double-check the portions of dialog that appear during cutscenes (as the above does), I don't remember quite how it described the two aspects of one fairy. At any rate, your description matches the way I remember it. -
03-25-2014, 12:10 PMAnonymoose
I think it is two aspects of one fairy. When you summon her for the first time, she flickers back and forth between the two.
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03-28-2014, 04:12 AMdubstephalflifeShe does! If I remember correctly, the Nymian text in the level 30 quest refers to her as one fairy with two aspects.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anonymoose
Also to note, now that I've finally finished the Scholar storyline, the tonberry repeatedly calls Eos "My Sunlight" in the level 50 and 45 is it? Maybe 40. Since only Eos shows up in the cutscenes (even when you have Selene), I can't say if it's a nickname for that form or for Lily in general. But given previous replies, I'm going to say it's a petname for Eos. -
04-25-2014, 01:37 PMKyan
Well it seems Lily is the fairy's name, as when you talk to Alka Zolka as a scholar he says:
"Such a pleasure to see you again, L'yhan! I trust you and Lily have had many a grand adventure since last we spoke?" -
04-25-2014, 02:17 PMIrisBlanchimont
Eorzean history and lore focuses a lot on light and darkness and the passing from one into another, so the single fairy manifesting both sun and moon aspects is consistent with a lot of Eorzea's deep veneration of the two concepts.
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05-06-2014, 12:21 AMnicomede
I just want to add that this "two aspects of one faery" statement does not exist in the french translation of the game.
The faerie also has no name (lily is never mentionned) and Alka Zolka always use plural when talking about your faeries: Selene and Eos (as two different entities).
I don't know wich translation is closer to the japanese version, I like the idea of two aspects very much though.
I asked on the "translation" french forum about this. -
05-06-2014, 04:10 AMNaria
When asking Alko Zolka as a lvl 50 sch for his "what are schs?" speech he says that "fairies are otherworldly creatures which the scholars learned to bind and control". It could be the translator's artistic license but in the sch quest line but I don't remember them ever specifically saying at the fairies where magically created entities like Carbuncle. They certainly seem to have more personality than any other summons. Although that personality does not seem to be appropriate for what we know of voidsent, so I don't really know where fairies could come from. Perhaps they are related to the "essence" of the primals? That does not really fit either though . . .:confused:
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05-06-2014, 08:24 AMAnonymooseIt's likely just a semantic choice - I mean, you still have the scene where she flickers back and forth between Eos and Selene, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by nicomede
...I've got nothin'. If they are indeed from "another world," I wouldn't even know where to start, and the game itself is still really fuzzy about how we're supposed to categorize aetherial entities (primals vs. summons vs. elementals vs. sprites) in the first place. It could just be the word choice. Though, "otherworldly" sometimes just means "seemingly not of the natural world," which is synonymous with "etherial" and in Eorzea "not of the corporeal" often means "of the aetherial."Quote:
Originally Posted by Naria
I'm still wondering if there's a secret second class of the TRANSCENDENT regnum for non-voidsent aetherial entities that they just never told us about... too bad I never had a chance to test the early 1.0 "Eluder" abilities on elementals. -
05-06-2014, 09:27 AMKyanFirstly, my reply is going off my fuzzy, overwhelmed memory, so please correct me friends!Quote:
Originally Posted by Naria
When you unlock Scholar, Alka seems quite shocked about meeting a fairy, but identifies it as such from the tablet and, we could infer, prior knowledge about faeries perhaps from myth (he says something along the lines of, 'now I've seen everything!' He does not explicitly say anything about faeries in Eorzean mythology. But, perhaps we can infer this from the names of some funguar [and perhaps other sources in game], which hint at some mythology or folklore about fae in Eorzea).
Like Mr. Moose suggests, perhaps "otherworldly" could be a reference to Fae being folklorish, mythological beings. :) -
05-06-2014, 09:36 AMNaria
True enough "otherworldly" doesn't have to mean literally that they are from another world, although it seems a strange word choice for a magical researcher to use when other worlds do actually exist if he did not mean the literal definition. "Bind and control" though definitely suggests that the fairies exist independently of the scholars--that they are not entities that are created by arcanists like Carbuncle or the egis. Huh, now I want to go hunt down all of the flavor text for anything with faerie in the name to see if there is anything we've missed. :(
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05-06-2014, 09:44 AMKyanCompletely agree. It is said that each Scholar soulstone holds one fairy - that fairy contains the memories and knowledge of all its previous masters. That is how we can summon Lily, and it is the same Lily as the previous master of the soulstone. So, other scholar stones would in theory hold a different fairy - perhaps they look different, perhaps they are even male! Who knows!Quote:
Originally Posted by Naria
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05-06-2014, 11:54 AMAnonymoose
The big question for me is whether they originally existed independent of scholars. We've known that they have independent personalities, but my original assumption was that they were created akin to Carbuncle and then bound to the soulstone to develop into a unique entity over time as it gained experience and eventually changed hands. The quote above doesn't explicitly contradict that theory; it could be a fanciful way of saying the same thing (they're not-of-the-natural-world creatures that are created by magicks and bound to those who use them). However the specific words used carry connotations that suggest otherwise, that they existed in another realm in some form and were then summoned from it, enslaved, and bound to the soulstone. Despite the more likely way to read it, I dunno if I'd buy that that's the more likely scenario.
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05-06-2014, 02:19 PMKyan
I'm not sure how I feel or what point I am trying to prove or even if I have an argument or counterpoint - I just want to probe a little more. I feel that Lily is something more - she doesn't quite fit in with what we know about primals and egi and even carbuncle: She is like them, but somehow more. And I like how interesting it is.
Could it also be Alka Zolka's interpretation of the stone tablet he read? The "bind and control" scholars have? As we can see through the cutscenes, and as Alka himself even comments, we often have very little control over Lily's actions. She does seem to have her own will and desires to a point. Yes, we can give her orders, place her, tell her what to cast. But, I don't see her as being like carbuncle, which is more like a well-trained pet that has little-to-no personality. I see her as having a consciousness, a soul of sorts, and a voice - a voice she does try to use to speak to us, however faintly, during cutscenes.
If the faeries are beings who were forcibly enslaved, an idea which I rather enjoy, I can't see that going down to well if we ever do meet those 'without a master'. Lily can silence a foe - I wonder what a group of angry faerie liberators would do? Cause a plague from the sea?
Takes me back to my XI days of releasing faeries from the bottles - I feel for you little buddies! -
05-06-2014, 03:23 PMnicomedeI don't remember but maybe. In-game texts anyway very clearly present Selene and Eos as two different faeries you have to master, and "Lily" does not exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anonymoose
I hope someone who can read japanese would help me with that.
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05-17-2014, 10:06 PMnevaeh
Here to offer some from the Japanese texts. Same with most, I only have what I can get from cutscenes in the inn and lvl 50 conversation with Alka. The only phrase of interests that Alka said when asking him about sch would be:
" 使い魔である妖精「フェアリー」を従えて "
I would translate it as "accompanied by their sprite* familiar, "Fairy"" but for more clarity, I have to break down the words one by one.
使い魔 (tsukaima), can be referred to any type of animals, monsters or spirits as long as they have a master and more often than not, has to be summoned. Of course, the method of how they gain a master depends on the setting of whichever world they're from. Dictionary translates this term to "familiar" so I went with it.
妖精 (yousei), is essentially "fairy" in Japanese. But despite that, フェアリー (feari-, katakana for the English word fairy) is used too in brackets. I cannot translate it properly without repeating fairy twice so I opted to use "sprite* for the yousei part instead. This would suggest that the fairy we have is under a race/type/something called "Fairy"?
従えて (shitagaete), although I use "accompanied", in Japanese, it actually also has a "subjugate" tone to it. Basically, it's hard to say if our fairy is forced or not, except that she submits to and obey us.
Lastly, her name is リリィベル (ririiberu) in Japanese. I'm not familiar with other FF games but I googled and in Final Fantasy: The 4 Heroes of Light there is a fairy named "Lilibelle" so I suppose it's reference to her?
PS: Alka greeted in Japanese, something along "Hey, partner! Something you want to talk to me about?" and did not include Lily/fairy. -
05-18-2014, 04:53 PMnicomede
Thanks a lot Nevaeh! This is great :)
The staff answered me in the translation forum (french) and was very helpfull. So, they told me about "lilibell" name in japanese and i'm waiting for subtle changes concerning selene/eos presentation in-game. -
05-20-2014, 05:31 PMAlice_89th
The "learned to control and bind" part makes me thing that the fairies were already excisting beings, and that the SCHs learned to control them. Somehow bind them to themselves and co-operate with them. (I'm using co-operate here because they indeed seem to have a will of their own).
The only thing that I would add to this is that the only difference between 妖精 "yousei", and フェアリー "fairy" would be an eastern or western perspective. Yousei could be any kind of friendly magical... thing. While "fairy" specifically concerns the western image of (butterfly)winged tiny human like beings. In practice though.... they are likely to be the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by nevaeh
For FFXIV specifically, this possibly means that "fairy" is a type of "yousei" (or in english, that "fairy" is a type of "sprite", which means there may be other types of sprites). Building on your translation I would translate it as "accompanied by their sprite familiar, a "Fairy"" -
05-22-2014, 03:54 PMMackaI would like to add what Fairy means from a western perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alice_89th
A fairy (also fay, fae; from faery, faerie, "realm of the fays") is a type of mythical being or legendary creature in folklore, a form of spirit, often described as metaphysical, supernatural or preternatural. Fairies resemble various beings of other mythologies, though even folklore that uses the term fairy offers many definitions. Sometimes the term describes any magical creature, including goblins or gnomes: at other times, the term only describes a specific type of more ethereal creature or sprite.Various folkloristic traditions refer to them euphemistically, by names such as wee folk, good folk, people of peace, fair folk, etc.