I'll test the waters here and am sure to get majority of negative responses, but here goes;
What if they create a battle system around Eorzea prior to ARR(1.xx), a pseudo Dynamis Style battle, where you enter an Aether Portal to the past and have to face the gauntlet of suped-up FATEs from different Zones.
Coerthas you would start at the Observatory and make your way to Svara as a final boss.
Cancer could be the Boss for La Noscea.
Lazy Laurence for Shroud.
Chimera up in Thanalan.
Drops would be chests upon completing the FATEs which hold a variety of Items from Currency to Rare Items needed to further upgrade your Relic Weapons / Armor etc...
Thoughts? Suggestions on how to make this work? Or Negative Comments on how it Won't Work?
[Future] Use of FATE System
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03-19-2014, 09:50 PMLordSaviour[Future] Use of FATE System
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03-19-2014, 09:55 PMcotti
Battles like this have been spoken of by the community before. Would be fun.
But stop trying to make brackets on thread titles a thing. There's no support for them on the forum engine. -
03-19-2014, 09:59 PMLordSaviourOh I did it for Emphasis for the Reader, not really for Search Functionality. #cryQuote:
Originally Posted by cotti
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03-19-2014, 10:17 PMSeif
So your idea is to instance even the open world itself. Hold on I'm busy stabbing myself in the soul.
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03-19-2014, 11:38 PMLordSaviourAre we playing the same game? Everything in FFXIV is Instances. Quest Battles, Dungeons and this will not change unless they remake the game again. . . . ~ A Realm ReRisen to be Released Easter Sunday 2015.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seif
While everyone is hoping for Open World content, its a pipe dream.
I can see them introducing NM type Mobs but they will be Instanced Fights as well. Like Chimera from 2.0, or "Wanted" mobs from Leves.
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Dynamis, from XI, was an instanced world. If you remember, for the longest time, only 1 Group per Server was allowed to enter at a time. Thinking back on it now, that was completely ridiculous. -
03-19-2014, 11:50 PMSynapseWhy is that? its not like you need a new engine for an open world content. Just need a different brain making contents.Quote:
Are we playing the same game? Everything in FFXIV is Instances. Quest Battles, Dungeons and this will not change unless they remake the game again. . . .
Same thing can be said about FFXIV in 1 year, when people leave of boredom and repetitiveness.Quote:
While everyone is hoping for Open World content, its a pipe dream.
That is all the 15 yr old engine could do, but that was 15 yrs ago, we can have multiple parties enter, but of course the difference between FFXI "instance" and FFXIV instance is huge.Quote:
Dynamis, from XI, was an instanced world. If you remember, for the longest time, only 1 Group per Server was allowed to enter at a time. Thinking back on it now, that was completely ridiculous.
FFXIV dungeon is compared to a BCNM area, not Dynamis. -
03-20-2014, 12:28 AMLordSaviourQuote:
the difference between FFXI "instance" and FFXIV instance is huge. FFXIV dungeon is compared to a BCNM area, not Dynamis.
Instanced dungeons in XI / XIV are no different in the core of their use, Meaning y .... never mind not going to argue or waste my time. -
03-20-2014, 01:36 AMDelsusNow I know you are just throwing the word engine around to look smart, the engine for a game is client side, it has nothing to do with how many instances of a dungeon there is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Synapse
The problem with FFXI is they had very limited capacity for instances, so there was only one instance of each dungeon therefore only one person could enter, in the modern day when we use separate instance servers, have huge server capacity we can have many many more, but there are still limits, try getting everyone on your data center to join the same dungeon, and watch as the game is unable to reserve the instance. -
03-20-2014, 01:41 AMLordSaviourThis was only true for only Dynamis, the other instances were open to who ever wanted to enter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delsus
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03-20-2014, 01:48 AMDelsusDynamis, Einherjar, Limbus and I believe Salvage (could be wrong on the latter), but instances like BCNMs, KSNMs and even Assault weren't (basically the ones that used very little server resources.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordSaviour
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03-20-2014, 01:51 AMEcks007
Hmm, what this sounds like to me is nothing much different than a dungeon that's a few boss fights and that's it.
Or more closely resembling "Trials" only on a smaller scale considering they are normal monsters instead of (lore wise) the Primals which are on another level.
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03-20-2014, 01:57 AMLordSaviourYeah, its been awhile, Einherjar is only 1 group per "room", Limbus i guess wasn't considered an Instance so only 1 group per run. Salvage anyone could run at any time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delsus
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03-20-2014, 02:22 AMLordSaviourDid you Play XI and do dynamis or even know the type of battle system I am speaking of?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ecks007
But i guess with that reasoning, nothing that is brought out in the future is different than a dungeon, you fight mobs then a boss, and repeat. -
03-20-2014, 02:26 AMAmberion
They weren't instances. They where zones that where connected to the rest of the server world.
If it where an instance, it would not have existed before. Instead it would have been created when you enter. And well, if Dynamis was an instance, it would have created one for any group who wanted to enter. -
03-20-2014, 04:02 AMOrophin
You confused me at "Vana'diel"
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03-20-2014, 04:27 AMEcks007Why yes, as a matter of fact I did. For roughly 5 years from NA launch.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordSaviour
What you seemed to be describing in your OP is something akin to BCNM/KSNM fights. Which isn't anything different than the way the Trials (like the Primal fights) work in XIV. You enter a small instanced area and do a boss fight, and then if you win you get a chance at loot (only in XIV you actually will get a real piece of gear every time in stead of trash loot 90% of the time) for your efforts in winning.
People didn't do BCNM/KSNM fights because of the challenge, they did them to beat them and possibly make a lot of money if a high selling drop dropped. Otherwise, if you got nothing useful other than low selling items it ended up being practically a waste of time without any reward.
And Dynamis? Don't even get me started on that. Relic Armors were about the only thing you were going to obtain and even then you'd be at it for months just hoping to get a drop. Relics were neigh impossible and exceedingly Rare. I don't think I even knew of anyone on the server I played (That wasn't Japanese) that even was close to getting one by the time I quit (in 5 years time).
Either way, what you've suggested really isn't that great. I am much more pleased with the idea that in the future perhaps, as was done with Ultima Weapon, where mainstay FF bosses from Dungeons are given their own single boss fight made harder than the original content and actually give out neat gear. Even if it was only vanity gear, I'd be down for that. Like having a seperate Siren HM/EX, Diabolos HM/EX and whatever future bosses that might be considered lesser primals. An Odin and Behemoth Trial would be nice (or KB, as in a harder version of KB but built for a group of 8 players).
I'd much rather see the effort expended on cool bosses. Not FATE bosses like Cancer, or Bubbling Burny, etc. I like that those bosses are FATE bosses, it works for them considering they are merely the equivalent of NMs in XI. -
03-20-2014, 05:04 AMLordSaviourI think you need to re-read my OP, in no way did I mention anything near BCNM/Primal style battles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ecks007