FFXIV MMO?

SE why dont u just go back to ffxi mechanics all at once your headed in that direction anyways. And when your done, "THEN" focus on single player. MMOs arent meant for single players thats why their called MMOs. Mass "MULTI" player online. single players can play your other FF games, theres 12 of them to choose from. FOCUS on MMO please.

I agree with this i don't know why the focus on solo then there noting to do for party. What about doing everything for party then help out the people who want to solo or do both just delay the dam patch 2month to release stuff for both.

Why does it matter, you ain't paying for nothing.
Some people enjoy the world of a game regardless mmo or not. The most popular MMO in the world can be done completely solo.
TROLL!

The majority of people who will play XIV were supposed to be the same people who currently play XI. But since they cant play the way they want to. They stay on XI or just dont play anymore. They/WE want the better graphics AND game play.. But we CANT So players leave.

Edit:WE aint paying at the moment But we will later..

This is not XI

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Originally Posted by SydeBeheln

Why does it matter, you ain't paying for nothing.
Some people enjoy the world of a game regardless mmo or not. The most popular MMO in the world can be done completely solo.
TROLL!

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And most of us...won't be paying...when they turn on subscriptions. Paying for a solo mmo is like having sex to preserve virginity. I really don't if "solo" players enjoy the world. They shouldn't be catered to in an mmo. If they want to play a casual solo oriented mmo there are plenty of f2p. If they want the graphics to go along with it too, wait for XIII-2. Don't ruin a whole mmo just because you're an antisocial P.O.S. too afraid to talk to people.


From yoshi-p. Casual player plays 2 hours a day and will reach max rank in 3-4 months. If you're paying for the game at that time, thats a total waste of money. Casual/solo players don't play your game for 5 years they say "oh i'm waiting till Terra comes out then i'm hopping over." FFXI players had the mentality this was their mmo they were gonna play for 2-5 years. But they gave XI players nothing to like while also ruining the aspects of XI we did like. Leaving us stranded without a game to play. Why is it too much for this game to be party based, when EVERY OTHER EFFING MMO is based on soloing/casual play.

You solo players are effing retarded anyway. This game in its current state isn't solo friendly. Solo friendly games you can get to max rank in weeks. This game you won't get past level 30 solo unless you want it to take forever. So right now this game is just stuck between soloing/partying, and its awkward for both sides.

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

This is not XI

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This may not be XI but guess what it's final fantasy not WoW or Rift or Aion this should not be base of solo and copy WoW. SE said they want final fantasy xiv to make a new game where players who play wow can get something new.

Why so bad about party play? and fighting mobs outside? people go on saying you fight the same mob over and over again who said that? i play from 10-75 in ffxi fighting new type of mobs every few level and people say ya but then you fight them again with diff color i guess people forgot that in real life you may see the same thing but diff color / type of look.

i just don't understand people even wow is not this casual at least in wow i play with 4 other players level up doing dungeon.

Oh I'm all for party play, I dislike soloing. There are people here though that want EVERYTHING in here to be like XI, and it's just not gong to happen (gear swaps, harsh death penalty, etc)

I dont remember anyone saying FFXIV was solo oriented....only that the Leve would be more "solo oriented".

The reduction in bonuses from Linking and the Addition of finish bonuses will still make leve-partying a viable option until they add a load of content. The finishing bonuses with leves are better when you do it hard and fast (mind the pun). So solo you can do say a R20 leve solo at 1 star in 20mins and you get 1500sp bonus at the end, but you try in a party that could do it at 4stars in 10mins and the bonus is much better and everyone in the party gets it (not actually sure about if everyone gets the same amount or if helping nets you just a little less than the "host" unless you link).

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

This is not XI

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Look, it's not XI, I like XI, but I think turning this into XI would ruin the game for me, if I want to play XI, I CAN. Here I can make my own class, and while retards Are ruining that to an extent...that Still makes it better than XI in my honest opinion. I want to play the kind of hero I want, not let some class tell me what I can and cannot do. As long as they keep that feature I'll pay.

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Originally Posted by Jasmine_Aurelia

Look, it's not XI, I like XI, but I think turning this into XI would ruin the game for me, if I want to play XI, I CAN. Here I can make my own class, and while retards Are ruining that to an extent...that Still makes it better than XI in my honest opinion. I want to play the kind of hero I want, not let some class tell me what I can and cannot do. As long as they keep that feature I'll pay.

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This.

Also, if FFXI was this awesome it wouldn't be dying even with brand new content being added regularly. And now that PS2 support was pretty much removed from FFXI (all last collector editions already were PC/360 only) it would be much easier go to FFXI forum and cry about HD graphics than coming here ask to discard this game and adopt FFXI mechanics.

Continue this way on solo casual support this game never gonna be much bigger then it is watch and see in one year from now.

Making a FFXI-2 of it will make it bigger but i think it never gonna happen.

Everything here in FFXIV going 10 times faster then FFXI and the Game dies also in 10 times faster rate then FFXI.

If the rate of changes in this game to make it better is so slow almost 1 year they fixed how many people is back ?

Countinue fix in this rate and it will be ready when next FF is ready for online and i hope it will be something they make for team work again FFXI-2 yes please

I doubt they get the playerbase much bigger then this supporting casual and solo play we can see where the game is in 1 year i think FFXI still gonna have alot more players then FFXIV if support going solo casual way.

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

Oh I'm all for party play, I dislike soloing. There are people here though that want EVERYTHING in here to be like XI, and it's just not gong to happen (gear swaps, harsh death penalty, etc)

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I don't want a ffxi 2.0 oh god wasting 2years of my life to get 75? then years just to get kirin body? then years to get cop done? hell no it was rewarding and yes i like something close to that hardness but i know it never going to happen am ok with that. just for the love of god don't make this 100% solo even the mission are solo ; ; when ffxi just to get few of the city mission you needed ppl one of them you needed about a full party.

i want more party play and more going outside in the area to do stuff not just dungeon and area that are not really part of the land in the game more open stuff like garrsion and stuff .

In the long run, here's what I want the game to be:

1) Final Fantasy
2) Online Multiplayer
3) RPG


In that order. As another poster mentioned, I have 12 other Final Fantasies to choose from if I want a solo experience.

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Originally Posted by Dreamer

In the long run, here's what I want the game to be:

1) Final Fantasy
2) Online Multiplayer
3) RPG


In that order. As another poster mentioned, I have 12 other Final Fantasies to choose from if I want a solo experience.

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And I agree, completely, I just want to make my own class doing it. This game SHOULD be about the PVE content and have a strong party focus, I applaud them for their Solo aspirations, but I hope that does not become the game's FOCUS.

What bothers me is, IF this game is indeed going to be party focused, like it should, are people going to continue to whine, and reduce my ability to build my class from combining abilities. I still say every class should be able to equip EVERY Ability class defining or Not. It saddens me that this is slowly being eroded away.

I just hope in the end, we can all get what we want a party focused PVE game, that lets us make our own damn classes.

I really like that I can do solo stuff that is worthwhile me doing, however, when I joined the game it was because I wanted to party up with new friends in the world and XP together, do quests and missions etc.

Solo content is great, Yoshi P is right when he talks about casual players like myself - when I get home from work I can only do an hour or so some days and I want to be able to do something worth my while. At the same time, it's not right to make the entire game work around casual players.

If I want to do specific story missions and quests, I think parties should be a requirement not a choice. Partying should always be the best option, and solo sometimes a possibility. What I don't want to happen is what happened with XI, not being able to find a party for 45 mins, then take 15mins to get to a camp, then I only have 30mins left before /logout. Also /sh in a zone for help with a mission for hours was pretty frustrating too.... hmmm...

There is a fine balance here and as long as more party based content comes out in 1.19/1.20 then I think SE are going to strike the right balance. Hopefully.

I think most of you miss the point in solo play in FFXIV. you don't want to rely on parties every time you want to do something. In FFXI I played as mainly MNK and sometimes PUP both 75 (rather solo friendly jobs IMHO). I used to be able to solo exp on things like imps as MNK and I could solo quests and I could just mess about if I wanted to, then take on some higher level NM's as PUP if my MNK couldn't handle it. All the while I could flag up and if I get an invite during these solo times, I could just teleport back and head to parties or events. It's kind of a lone wolf thing more than anything really. You don't want to feel totally useless on your own, but at the same time you can go party up with other people whenever you want

i agree with the op, this will be the game breaker out of all the mess ups they are doing that i won't hang around for. party play in large amounts or cya later. i play mmo's for party play, i want party play, i don't want nothing to do with solo'ing everything in game.

yes i loved my rdm, i loved going around and killing nm's solo and making gils solo, but in reality it cause most the time you have too. if was just as easy for party play then even simple stuff like this i would of done in parties. a mmo that can create a way to keep party play 24/7 and make it instantly easy to do = winner of all time mmo.

I see no problem with make the game friendly for solo play so long it not will kill the team play who should come first its nice have options solo to max cap so long it not destroy the options for nice party play i hope the game will be adjusted in end both solo and team players feel they can rank up in joy.

Team work should always be rewarded higher then solo work =)

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Originally Posted by Achi

I see no problem with make the game friendly for solo play so long it not will kill the team play who should come first its nice have options solo to max cap so long it not destroy the options for nice party play i hope the game will be adjusted in end both solo and team players feel they can rank up in joy.

Team work should always be rewarded higher then solo work =)

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same, sometimes i cant get a party together mainly because of timezones, so more solo/small party friendly leve are still of use to me

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Originally Posted by Carzilla

SE why dont u just go back to ffxi mechanics all at once your headed in that direction anyways. And when your done, "THEN" focus on single player. MMOs arent meant for single players thats why their called MMOs. Mass "MULTI" player online. single players can play your other FF games, theres 12 of them to choose from. FOCUS on MMO please.

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FFXI was a pile of shit.

No where in the acronym MMO does it state that you have to group up.

Massive(expansive game world)

Online(Over the internet)

Multiplayer(More than one player within the game world at a time)

Role playing(Fulfilling a specific role, can be anything from merchant to adventurer)

Game(Entertainment, not work)


Where does it say you must do everything as a group? It doesn't basically, focus on not being retarded please.

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Originally Posted by Seikninkuru

FFXI was a pile of shit.

No where in the acronym MMO does it state that you have to group up.

Massive(expansive game world)

Online(Over the internet)

Multiplayer(More than one player within the game world at a time)

Role playing(Fulfilling a specific role, can be anything from merchant to adventurer)

Game(Entertainment, not work)


Where does it say you must do everything as a group? It doesn't basically, focus on not being retarded please.

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then why not play offline games and just use aol chat or something and talk to retarts that like to pertent to game with others. "no party play" is like the world talking over each other in forums and facebooks being more closer to alone then without it.

there shouldn't be more then just enough solo content to do during down times and waiting periods, that is all, everything should be party play. offline games have better content, graphics, story, and u can get a new one every week with all that stuff being new. then why play a mmo without the reason of party play?

here i think this is what your looking for http://www.gamefly.com/ amazing it's the same price as a mmo a month but u wont ruin everyone elses good times TOGETHER

XI... the Final Fantasy game that came nowhere near to matching the others in terms of gameplay. I can't say that XIV isn't following in its footsteps.

Given the production costs of XIV (and we can only guess, but given the amount of detail required by their graphical standards as well as the ongoing core revisions to be implemented, it must be immense by most comparisons), do you seriously think that the small sliver of the MMO community that XI exclusively catered to can support the full weight of this game in addition to generating quality content that can actually compete in a constantly-innovating market? /rosetintedglasses off

XI was one of the first major MMOs and the last of the nascent EQ-era. It carries the weight of a Final Fantasy title and the weight of poorly-veiled grinding as its system of progression. This is the reason why the only people returning to XI are disgruntled XIV players or people who played through the first 20 levels of WoW and were disappointed that it wasn't "difficult".

Meanwhile, every MMO that has come out after WoW has always found difficult competition in retaining initial populations because they have to compete with WoW in terms of both content and solid gameplay. XIV will have to do the same, and I don't think throwing a blatant grind on leveling will fix any of the game's current problems whatsoever (also, soloing takes an incomparably longer time to level in this game than party leve-linking... but changing any of those won't solve the mess that XIV's end-game content is in).

TL;DR - XIV shouldn't try to "kill WoW", but should instead compete with WoW's upcoming competition through innovations in gameplay and content (not by relapsing into pure grinding).

Create party content and clan content and leave the soloers alone. People that say, play offline games if you don't want to make parties, well, we do that. And we want to make parties, but it's time consuming to do that and you need an alternative. I can only think that people are bothered since you can get everything in the game, playing smart and soloing/duoing. Makes the party people/ huge clans feel unimportant and not special. That's the only reason I can think of all that whining about solo play. Wow is fast paced game and have over 10 million people. So, that's a lame excuse that providing a good amount of speed for soloers to keep up with lvl, will kill the game in two years. Making it hard, will only multiply rmt and botting. If I wanted that, I would play lineage.

In WoW I did all of my leveling solo... It gets extremely boring when I am doing an endless amount of questing/grinding by myself. the group aspect is a great trait of this game... let's keep it that way!

I agree. Let's keep both. What they did was kill meaningful solo play, because let's be honest, I won't spend 6 anima to go to limsa to do a regional quest that will give me 100 Gil and 50 xp. And they made a hell of a job nerfing all classes that will get owned even with 8 in any decent nm. No mp, no heal, all dead. You can't even fight for 5 min without zeroing all the healers mp in a long fight.