Master Crafting Recipes!!

This is just a thought but I think that the master crafting recipes should require the Luminary tools for the respective crafts!!! This would give some purpose to the tools, as well as people would need to to do the various level of crafts, so would possibly help boost the economy. Also would give purpose to the crafters to specialize in something other then just spamming to 50 and being able to cripple the market.

Maybe as well Only useable from the workshop stations that are supposed to be added to free company housing!!!

As much as I would want to agree with you (I'm working towards the luminary on a few crafts right now) it just won't happen. So many people would be enraged that they're locked out of some content because they don't wanna grind out a craft.

I would love to give some extra incentive to get the luminary's (and maybe extend it to gathering where you can only gather some stuff with the luminary), but I can't see it happening.

So you basically just want the rich to get richer because you don't want to have competition in the market place? Sure that sounds totally fair.

The new market in 2.2 will only most likely last a week, 3 at most, then the market will just crash once again, because lets face it.... its not going to last with people able to craft their own "Master Recipes" then they sell it. They won't spend very much gil which makes them get richer and richer. I doubt the new market will last very long. I would love to be wrong, but I don't see it.

Yes, let's allow a handful of people to pretty much have a monopoly on crafted items. I'm all for fixing the crafting market, but placing it behind a 5600 crafted items wall is just not the way to do it.

Ways to fix the crafting market:
1. Add a difficult quest to each crafting class that unlocks a master crafting specialization.
The player can only have 2 specializations active at any time. The specialization can be reset, but the player will have to do the quest again to get the specialization of another crafting class. However, the player will also have to do the quest again when going back to an old specialization.
This means a player could possibly specialize in everything, but it'd be very time/gil consuming due to having to switch every time. (so most players will likely just stick to 2 specializations)

2. Make some of the materials difficult to obtain
I don't just mean having it tied to tomestones. Add rare monsters in the overworld that can drop rare materials. Add rare bosses to peisteskin maps that drop rare materials, that need a full party to defeat. Maybe even add chests in hard-to-reach places inside a raid, with difficult mobs guarding 'em.

3. Make crafting gear equal to current raiding gear
Currently, crafting gear is just used to get a small head start in any new raid content, and loses its importance afterwards. If crafting was an alternate way of gearing, more players would likely be more interested in it, meaning the demand stays up and the prices won't drop too quickly over time.


To avoid point 3 from causing gearing to become too easy, it could be combined with point 2. Having rare materials would keep the supply down, while the demand would likely remain the same.
Heck, it could even be combined with point 1, adding the crafted items to a craft's specialization, which would limit the amount of crafters able to craft the gear.



As for luminary tools, I've always seen them as vanity/prestige items. Whenever I see a crafter with one of those, I know that player enjoyed crafting enough to go for one of the tools.

I think SE dont want craft gear equal to top tier gear because that would completely negate the lockouts.

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Originally Posted by IzumiRaito

I think SE dont want craft gear equal to top tier gear because that would completely negate the lockouts.

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The reason SE doesn't like crafted gear being equivalent to raiding gear is they don't want people to just buy their way into BiS gear. Even if the materials to make the gear all drop from endgame fights, it's still entirely possible for one person to pay someone else to do all the work.

Luminary tools are not hard to get if you actually want them its finding the cheapest craft and spamming it a lot of times for each level range. But its pretty pointless at the moment to get them because they have the same stats as 50 quest ones.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

3. Make crafting gear equal to current raiding gear
Currently, crafting gear is just used to get a small head start in any new raid content, and loses its importance afterwards. If crafting was an alternate way of gearing, more players would likely be more interested in it, meaning the demand stays up and the prices won't drop too quickly over time.

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never going to happen :/ It would totally negate raiding gear btw, just because you can meld it.

Rather just make raiding gear meldable, but never going to happen either

There is a reason crafted gear isn't the best, they just don't want people to go to the market board put down a bunch of gil and instantly have the best armor in the game without even killing a single boss or doing any endgame content.

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There is a reason crafted gear isn't the best, they just don't want people to go to the market board put down a bunch of gil and instantly have the best armor in the game without even killing a single boss or doing any endgame content.

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Yeah, instead they want you to wait until 2.2. run WP 50 times speedrun in a row and instantly gear in myth.

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Originally Posted by SchalaZeal

Yeah, instead they want you to wait until 2.2. run WP 50 times speedrun in a row and instantly gear in myth.

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Myth gear will no longer be the best gear anymore in 2.2. You have to do the 3 new dungeons, and coil 6-9 for the best gear.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Myth gear will no longer be the best gear anymore in 2.2. You have to do the 3 new dungeons, and coil 6-9 for the best gear.

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The other person's + your statement = the truth.

They don't want people to be able to just buy the best gear (To stop RMT, which they're failing at anyway) and it would invalidate their lockouts and people wouldn't even log in that one day a week that they do now (They are also failing at player retention).

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Originally Posted by Zumi

There is a reason crafted gear isn't the best, they just don't want people to go to the market board put down a bunch of gil and instantly have the best armor in the game without even killing a single boss or doing any endgame content.

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This wouldn't be a problem if the materials are rare enough for crafted gear to only be considered an alternate way of gearing.

It would cause crafted gear to be expensive enough for most casuals to not care too much about it. (players that don't feel the need to get the best gear as fast as possible)
But it'd still be a possibility for the more hardcore players to have an alternate way of gearing, next to tome gear, if they're simply not lucky in Coil.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Myth gear will no longer be the best gear anymore in 2.2. You have to do the 3 new dungeons, and coil 6-9 for the best gear.

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Myth gear will be far better then the new dungeon drops.

New tomb gear and coil gear will be better then myth gear though.

Dungeons are only there to get myth and the new tombs.

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

Myth gear will be far better then the new dungeon drops.

New tomb gear and coil gear will be better then myth gear though.

Dungeons are only there to get myth and the new tombs.

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You miss the point 3 new dungeons will drop new tomes they already said this inturn will buy the new best gear. You can't get new tomes in WP.

I can understand why they don't want every BiS item to be buyable but I really don't see the harm in combinations.

BiS body and head and legs and weapons bought via new tomes, BiS accessories dropped by bosses, belt and boots and gloves craftable via super rare mats and master recipes but need to be penta melded to really be BiS.

That way you ensure that players are really doing all sorts of content and you're including both crafting and raiding at the same time.

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Originally Posted by Skapoc

So you basically just want the rich to get richer because you don't want to have competition in the market place? Sure that sounds totally fair.

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Dude, don't you know that that's the very definition of a healthy economy?

My FC that has several hardcore crafters just spent 50 mil today on a L sized plot on Phoenix. How did we achieve this? Turns out you make more money by actually crafting and selling stuff than you do by whining on the forums that you have to deal with competition and can't sell items for 1 mil a piece.

Regardless, like someone has already pointed out, getting a Luminary isn't hard, just time consuming. You can just quick synth it all.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

1. Add a difficult quest to each crafting class that unlocks a master crafting specialization.
The player can only have 2 specializations active at any time. The specialization can be reset, but the player will have to do the quest again to get the specialization of another crafting class. However, the player will also have to do the quest again when going back to an old specialization.
This means a player could possibly specialize in everything, but it'd be very time/gil consuming due to having to switch every time. (so most players will likely just stick to 2 specializations)

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You know what's one of the greatest things about FFXIV? That I can gather all my materials and craft all my gear myself. I won't sacrifice that just to "fix" the economy.

Having BiS gear require a crafting part and a dungeon part? Great!
Allow all gear to be melded and converted (including deungeon gear)? This should have been in the game since day 1!
Forcing specializations that will greatly prevent you from crafting everything on a single character? I won't ever agree to something like this.
Placing artificial caps on the amount of materials in the game via open world NM drops like in FFXI? Sorry, won't ever agree with that either.

My definition of a good economy is a place where players actively buy and sell stuff on the MBs, not that prices are skyhigh.

The only way I can see crafted gear being anywhere near BiS is if specific mats for it drop from the end raids...and that those mats AND the crafted gear are unique and untradable.

You have to get the mat(s) yourself and craft the gear yourself.

EDIT: Also, its a rare drop, not a guaranteed drop

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Originally Posted by dcdistro

This is just a thought but I think that the master crafting recipes should require the Luminary tools for the respective crafts!!!

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Originally Posted by Gilthas

Dude, don't you know that that's the very definition of a healthy economy?

My FC that has several hardcore crafters just spent 50 mil today on a L sized plot on Phoenix. How did we achieve this? Turns out you make more money by actually crafting and selling stuff than you do by whining on the forums that you have to deal with competition and can't sell items for 1 mil a piece.

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Did you misinterpret my sarcasm? Yeah I am the one that wants competition. If the OP got his wish and only people with luminaries or people with houses could craft any of the new stuff there wouldn't be hardly any competition and you would see prices in the millions for any of the new crafted gear. How would that be fair to anyone? The rich get richer and everyone else has to deal with it. No one wants high prices except the people that are making the stuff.

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Originally Posted by Skapoc

Did you misinterpret my sarcasm? Yeah I am the one that wants competition. If the OP got his wish and only people with luminaries or people with houses could craft any of the new stuff there wouldn't be hardly any competition and you would see prices in the millions for any of the new crafted gear. How would that be fair to anyone? The rich get richer and everyone else has to deal with it. No one wants high prices except the people that are making the stuff.

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They could....get a luminary weapon themselves? It's not even THAT time consuming, quick synth something to 99, go read or watch TV, come back, repair gear, buy mats, do it again. I finished mine after a couple of weeks of actually trying. They should mean something, if only 'better than level 50 quest reward'.

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Originally Posted by AlexandeRW

They could....get a luminary weapon themselves? It's not even THAT time consuming, quick synth something to 99, go read or watch TV, come back, repair gear, buy mats, do it again. I finished mine after a couple of weeks of actually trying. They should mean something, if only 'better than level 50 quest reward'.

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Did you just kinda say.... They're easy to get so they should mean something? I'm all for them having purpose, but getting them is not even remotely worth any kind of extra power. If they are supposed to be worth something, they need to go back to hard-to-get status.

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Originally Posted by Skapoc

So you basically just want the rich to get richer because you don't want to have competition in the market place? Sure that sounds totally fair.

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So you need to be rich to have that tool? fuck so me being poor "400k" and having 5 of them tools makes me rich o.o cool! and here i was think rich was having 800M to buy the L-House! You ppl must be MAGE RICH!

All i see is you being to laz to go farm and speed craft your why to that tool O.o it not hard Log in>farm>Speed Craft for each craft at 50 o.o It's call a goal! You work to get there.

The why your talking it like your saying "So you need to buy a lv50 or your lockout till you hit lv50" There one thing this game is missing.. and that GOALS that are not ENDGAME PvE. We need more endgame for Crafting/Farming something to work to that you can say 'Hey i can do that for you" Right now EVERYONE can DO it. there not one craft in this game that someone CANT do. We need something that takes work to get.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Myth gear will no longer be the best gear anymore in 2.2. You have to do the 3 new dungeons, and coil 6-9 for the best gear.

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... 50 times in a row xD

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Originally Posted by Pachisu89

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The cost of some mats on some servers is stupid high and I am in a server with low prices. Lets take weaver for example to speed craft anything from 41-50 you would choose undyded felt as it's the only thing that will even come close to worth to speed craft as everything else is going to cost more and sell back for almost nothing. Unfortunately making undyed felt takes snurble tufts and fleece both that you need to kill some enemies with not something you can just chop down. So it would take a ridiculous long time to get these mats. So adding in shard usage(450 and lighting shards are 30+ here) and material usage just from the board it costs 57383 gil just to make 99 undyed felt. But wait I need 3000 so I need to do this 30 more times so thats 1,721,490 gil just to get one of the achievements for one crafting class. I can sell them back at about 450 a pop plus market board cut I am looking at only making back around 1 mil back. Yeah I have neither the overhead to start such an endever for this achivement nor would I throw away money like that.

So some peoples options are be rich and throw money down the drain for a luminary. Or have absolutely no life and farm snurbles in the burning wall(and chop down 13k+ shards) for hours on end. Sorry both of these are horrible ideas.

If you want luminaries to be useful make them not a grind and moneysink to get and something you actually would have to be good at to acquire. Otherwise just leave them as vanity.

Edit: I didn't add in repair costs and market board tax when doing this either so it would be more then 1.7mil.

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Originally Posted by Skapoc

But wait I need 3000 so I need to do this 30 more times so thats 1,721,490 gil just to get one of the achievements for one crafting class. I can sell them back at about 450 a pop plus market board cut I am looking at only making back around 1 mil back.

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While I do not agree with the OPs idea... I believe you can make more of that money back by spirit bonding as you grind =)

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Originally Posted by Itseotle

While I do not agree with the OPs idea... I believe you can make more of that money back by spirit bonding as you grind =)

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Fair enough but you would also have to factor in buying or making the spirtbonding gear and then get lucky not to get stuck with craftmanship +5 materia which only go for around 3k here. More overhead to try to make back some money but nothing guaranteed in the long run.

I just shudder to think what the prices on some servers are for this stuff as a few friends transferred to Behemoth from Midgarssormar and one commented on how cheap all the materia here is at almost half what it was there.

I think it would be kind of neat for Master Craft recipes to require more than one DoH class at level 50. Like say weaver and leatherworker or goldsmith and armorer.

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Originally Posted by Skapoc

Did you misinterpret my sarcasm? Yeah I am the one that wants competition. If the OP got his wish and only people with luminaries or people with houses could craft any of the new stuff there wouldn't be hardly any competition and you would see prices in the millions for any of the new crafted gear. How would that be fair to anyone? The rich get richer and everyone else has to deal with it. No one wants high prices except the people that are making the stuff.

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I was being sarcastic and agreeing with you with my first sentence.

I'm hoping master craft recipes would require someone to specialize in a craft instead of everyone being able to max out all crafts.

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Originally Posted by Skapoc

The cost of some mats on some servers is stupid high and I am in a server with low prices. Lets take weaver for example to speed craft anything from 41-50 you would choose undyded felt as it's the only thing that will even come close to worth to speed craft as everything else is going to cost more and sell back for almost nothing. Unfortunately making undyed felt takes snurble tufts and fleece both that you need to kill some enemies with not something you can just chop down. So it would take a ridiculous long time to get these mats. So adding in shard usage(450 and lighting shards are 30+ here) and material usage just from the board it costs 57383 gil just to make 99 undyed felt. But wait I need 3000 so I need to do this 30 more times so thats 1,721,490 gil just to get one of the achievements for one crafting class. I can sell them back at about 450 a pop plus market board cut I am looking at only making back around 1 mil back. Yeah I have neither the overhead to start such an endever for this achivement nor would I throw away money like that.

So some peoples options are be rich and throw money down the drain for a luminary. Or have absolutely no life and farm snurbles in the burning wall(and chop down 13k+ shards) for hours on end. Sorry both of these are horrible ideas.

If you want luminaries to be useful make them not a grind and moneysink to get and something you actually would have to be good at to acquire..

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The whole idea is at least it would be something of an accomplishment not just something handed to people!!! Yes it takes a lot of time to farm all the items to be able to craft 3000 items freely!! Then taking the time to do so would reap some reward but you can still do it free!! That is the whole idea !! It gives a little something to the people out there who still take the time and accomplishment of doing so.

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