2.2 PVP CHANGES

Since most of the community doesn't seem like they pay close attention

GW: In patch 2.15 it was mainly adjustments related to PvP.

Y: I think with the last 2.15 patch, it spread it out. There is one staff that’s always doing Wolves’ Den but if you watch that staff he plays in different variety, says the WHM is now strong. We’ll continue to observe the situation, and we’re going to put in rating match in patch 2.2.

GW: What kind of regulations will the rating system have?

Y: Right now we’re looking into what to split the entrance. But we’re going to make adjustments so those who just started PvP won’t get matched up with those who has tons of points already. Top ranking players with Dire gear is too strong, so we’re going to make it where players can get that at lower rank and make it where they’ll gradually get stronger. We’ve put in detailed changes here, so we’re planning to explain this in the next live letter or at the timing when we read the patch notes.

I think we need more threads that have this SAME EXACT excerpt.

I only made this post because ive been reading threads and people seem like they don't have a clue of what is going on in the game.

All I hear with this is that your long queues are going to become longer. Lemme hurry and knock out these last 4 ranks before 2.2

Your wrong on all accounts miiyoaoi this is to appease the masses that complain pvp is unfair and unbalanced. This is to balance pvp as a whole and bring new people into pvp not scare them away please do more research before you just blurt out about everything. So many people want match making and rating and that's the reason most rank 30s left because there is no incentive no rating no match making systems. On the other hand we do have pve hero's who only grinded pvp for the look of the gear and those are the people who made pvp hell. Because they didn't care if they won or lost they just wanted the skin and that's not the mentality pvp needs. Again do more research before you make comments on how its gonna make things worse

If they're going to squeeze all dire players in with dire players, then the cue should be a lot shorter as the pool is limited and with 'PvPers'.

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Originally Posted by khmfdoom

Since most of the community doesn't seem like they pay close attention

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I only usually pay attention if it's something relevant to my interests. Pvp is not one of those interests.

Games needs better PvE before pvp.

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

I only usually pay attention if it's something relevant to my interests. Pvp is not one of those interests.

Games needs better PvE before pvp.

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Some people want to do both have good pve and pvp. The pve side is decent pvp could be better and they are trying to make it better that's all i was referring to

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Originally Posted by khmfdoom

So many people want match making and rating and that's the reason most rank 30s left because there is no incentive no rating no match making systems.

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Sorry but you'll have to find a r30 to quote you on this. I'm sure if asked why they left it's simply because they got the gear they wanted. They give 0 crap about rating/matchmaking as they can curb stomp the majority of players @ r30 and get points faster. There are occassional fun battles when matched with an even team, but it's few and far between. I have yet to hear anyone say they pvp for fun. You can not promise me enough ppl will come back, or how fast more ppl will come to pvp due to changes. It could be another half a year before pvp is "fixed" and word gets around. So the matchmaking could be a total disaster for current players.

I can't envision matchmaking neways. If morale is invalid on 30 and 40 how much more "matched" can you be. The only way you can seperate ppl into classes is those who have 0 experience, those who don't have enough points to have skills, those who have skills, and those who have reached r30. New people complain and leave because they find it unfair because they enter pvp and get zerged in less than 2 mins. They're not used to it and don't understand it (since they probably haven't read up on pvp or noticed the skills you can obtain). Thus the most easy thing to do when frustrated with this is to say it's unfair or unbalanced. I have a perfect example for you. Post by Oddbod. Beat down. Clueless about the system. Blame the system.

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Originally Posted by MiiyoAoi

New people complain and leave because they find it unfair because they enter pvp and get zerged in less than 2 mins. They're not used to it and don't understand it (since they probably haven't read up on pvp or noticed the skills you can obtain). Thus the most easy thing to do when frustrated with this is to say it's unfair or unbalanced.

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I really feel like this does scare off a lot of people because I don't think people even understand what morale does. I've run into a ton of dps in dungeons that are wearing wolf accessories because they don't even know that morale is a pvp stat.

one of the best things about pvp is ladder ranking. in a competitive gameplay there has to be a 1st place we fight for!

lol cant wait to kill more people in pvp

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Originally Posted by Potatoes

I really feel like this does scare off a lot of people because I don't think people even understand what morale does. I've run into a ton of dps in dungeons that are wearing wolf accessories because they don't even know that morale is a pvp stat.

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Agreed. An in depth tutorial npc would be good i think.

[QUOTE=MiiyoAoi;1952356]Sorry but you'll have to find a r30 to quote you on this. I'm sure if asked why they left it's simply because they got the gear they wanted. They give 0 crap about rating/matchmaking as they can curb stomp the majority of players @

this comment makes me face palm

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Originally Posted by MiiyoAoi

Sorry but you'll have to find a r30 to quote you on this. I'm sure if asked why they left it's simply because they got the gear they wanted.

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Actually, I left because SE really screwed up allowing 3-mans to queue with solo queues. Had a few days of fun when everyone was queuing solo, they were popping really fast for everyone, but then more and more 3-mans started to crop up and that was the end of that.

The PvP community isn't large enough on most servers to get a good 3-man of 30s going, unfortunately, so you're stuck going against 3 mans all day if you want to PvP at all. Even if this wasn't the case, pre-mades should not be able to queue against full pug groups IMO.

Im agree with Koltik, last fix for melee/ranged/tank/healer queues was almost a fail. As I told looong time ago, if they put ONLY solo queue or 4s queue, our last patch could have been so much better with more teams playing 4s and more balanced and fast in other queues.

But let's wait and hope that improves in 2.2 and more players come to play, because we have very few people playing pvp.

Koltik! people are solo queueing lately on Primal DC and arranging 4v4 when we can. We normally need more melee...so xfer to Hyperion wink wink.

News for 2.2

- A matching system will be implemented so high rank players don't get matched with low rank
- The animal series will be implemented in 2.25
- 2.25 is going to have a massive PVP update
- Frontlines will be coming in 2.3
- Frontlines rules are still being worked on, please look forward to it!

http://i.imgur.com/Xe6kYmJ.jpg : frontline pvp armor (PLD)

r40 in 2.25...kill me now

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Originally Posted by Almaxia

News for 2.2

- A matching system will be implemented so high rank players don't get matched with low rank
- The animal series will be implemented in 2.25
- 2.25 is going to have a massive PVP update
- Frontlines will be coming in 2.3
- Frontlines rules are still being worked on, please look forward to it!

http://i.imgur.com/Xe6kYmJ.jpg : frontline pvp armor (PLD)

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I'm glad he answered my question, I was kind of expecting Frontlines to not even be brought up. The arenas he showed looked amazing!

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* Glamours may be temporarily disabled in PvP arenas and other unique areas.

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From the patch notes; that addresses one concern that had been floating around here. Warwolf rank requirements and point cost are being reduced as well, so hold off on your i70 PVP purchases until the patch hits.

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Originally Posted by Eriatarka12

I'm glad he answered my question, I was kind of expecting Frontlines to not even be brought up. The arenas he showed looked amazing!

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wait there are new arenas?? SHOW ME!

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Originally Posted by Wombats17

wait there are new arenas?? SHOW ME!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LY_j...tailpage#t=928

Mind that they're not coming this patch, they are expected(pretty much confirmed) to come in 2.3 (should be somewhere around june- 3 months from 2.2) :)

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Originally Posted by MiiyoAoi

All I hear with this is that your long queues are going to become longer. Lemme hurry and knock out these last 4 ranks before 2.2

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Que times are already ridiculous even for key classes. Creating a matchmaker this early for pvp would really only worsen this problem. Newbies getting crushed in pvp upon entrance, is like a rite of passage. If you can't handle the heat gtfo.

if anything, the newer pvpers who toughed out leveling surrounded by much better geared people end up way more dangerous than people who always lived on gear. Look at professor warpeon... that guy is insane to drop once he hit r30.

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Originally Posted by Lucenia

if anything, the newer pvpers who toughed out leveling surrounded by much better geared people end up way more dangerous than people who always lived on gear. Look at professor warpeon... that guy is insane to drop once he hit r30.

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You and Atma are both correct. For a person whose not just a casual passerby, all those free beatdowns are only gonna serve as motivation to gear then return the favor. Especially considering Atma's comment though..EVEN with all these new (completely unneeded) mark/rank reductions, people are still gonna complain to make it even easier. PvPs been the 1st decently lenthly goal (well maybe Titan HM lol) we've had to work toward and now it's being lowered for the sake of comfort.

Just thinking on it..even with the rank division...at SOME point, newer people are gonna have to go up against higher tiers, if only when they get there themselves. Is all this ranking going to make the innitial experience less or more traumatic when they begin to have to consistantly deal with higher skill? Least with the current way, they'd know exactly what to expect...but now?

Man ques are going to be so shitty come 2.2 cause there's only a few r30 players that really play on a daily basis. SE really only listening to all these kids whinning about how they getting wrecked from higher lvl players what about players like me who had to deal with r30players as well when i was still around r23 and i70, yeah i knew when i ran into to premades r30's i will get wrecked but i never use to give up use to still try and put up a fight and now when i'm r30 people complaining saying its not fair. I worked hard to get to r30 and hell yeah i'm going to enjoy it and wreck face by myself or in a premade lol. Pvp will be revived come 2.25 since lvl cap raising to 40 -___- that grind going to be so frustrating yet fun can't wait for it, that's when pvp will be fun again.

Didn't Reinhart say in his translation that the new arenas are for frontlines? More conformation would be nice.

Can't wait for that 2.25 pvp, ques will be good again.
Will look forward to any matches against you Ish DRG bro :)

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Originally Posted by pompey_dan

Didn't Reinhart say in his translation that the new arenas are for frontlines? More conformation would be nice.

Can't wait for that 2.25 pvp, ques will be good again.
Will look forward to any matches against you Ish DRG bro :)

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yeah man cant wait for them 1v1's :P but yeah like u said 2.25 is where pvp will pick back up again. I think 2.25 we might get 1 new arena im not sure though

the matchmaking system will try and put rank 30s against rank 30s, if none are available the matchmaking system will throw anybody into the que. there wont be a massive wait time because of the matchmaking, and the matchmaking will only be functional when there is enough people for multiple pvp matches to go on at once (not the case 90% of the time)

I don't think this has been said here, but there was talk of major PvP balance coming in 2.2, the specifics will probably be released in the full patch notes.(if they are coming that is :X)

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Originally Posted by Pibz

I don't think this has been said here, but there was talk of major PvP balance coming in 2.2, the specifics will probably be released in the full patch notes.

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Really ? I only heard about 2.25. Could be a nice surprise even if I think it's pretty balanced now (except for the sleep, which totally win game in premade vs premade)

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Originally Posted by Almaxia

Really ? I only heard about 2.25. Could be a nice surprise even if I think it's pretty balanced now (except for the sleep, which totally win game in premade vs premade)

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Well i might be completely off, but it's what i took from reading this:
"Nothing planned in terms of major job balance changes in 2.2 at this point. Besides the fix to fairy behavior.
Putting more effort into adjusting PvP balance." source
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GW: So in patch 2.2’s job adjustment, it’s just fixing the Fairy’s behavior?

Y: Yes. we need to fix that fast as it has a big effect. We have been putting lots of balancing recently for the PvP. Other than that, right now there isn’t much where we need to fix or it’s going to be trouble. Unless the battle team has some changes for 2.2 and haven’t brought it up to me yet.

It probably means matchmaking and getting rank 30 gear early thing, though due to being said right after a question about job balance i took it as pvp job balance.

Welp, I cant figure out a way to contact people in this frustrating game that i dont already have a contact with..... Id rather not publically post this completely off topic but i dont have a clue what else i could possibly do... soo...

KHmfdoom, tryin to find ya! heh.... Playing on Adamantoise: Ober Efter --- Tried lookin for ya on PoE as well but ofcourse they have nearly no way to contact people either and i figured you prob werent on their forums anymore....

If you have any interest in gaming together again, maby you may know of a way to actually get ahold of me ingame cause i donno where you are and no PM's system here, dont really wanna post contact info or anything cause its all public here and that usually just encourages spam...

Lemme kno, definately will be looking for a raiding guild ect...

I for one really enjoy the PvP in this game, it's intense and fun. The future of FFXIV PvP looks like its just going to be getting better. Patch 2.3 Frontline - Three way Grand Company King of the Hill/Battle Royal sounds Awesome!

i70 PVP gear can be obtained from Retainer Ventures post-LV 10 haha. Crazy.

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Originally Posted by Atma_Weapon

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Which is EXACTLY what they did; they, as you said, "gtfo" because they couldn't handle the heat of standing little to no chance of beating more experienced and higher geared players. Now all we have left are long q's and the occasional beating on newbies who will "gtfo" after a few battles in which they have no chance of winning. If SE doesn't do something, it will just stay stay like this. Now you may be satisfied with this niche and decaying status of pvp but SE obviously isn't. They want to expand on pvp, to make it as big a part of the game as possible; how this will turn out though, is hard to say, it will likely be hard to get those who "gfto" to get the **** back in.

If SE don't do something to make PvP grow, it will just die as the o mighty ninja skilled players such yourself get bored of it and quit.