Are the names for Elder Staff and Omnirod mixed up?

The name Omnirod is not fitting for a staff that's literally an old man tree face with moving eyeballs, whereas Elder Staff would be.

It hasn't been confirmed or denied officially but it is widely believed they were mixed up yes.

i have always thought 'they' mixed up the proper names for the two. staff = whn rod = blm

The Japanese database has the names in the same order, so we can rule out a localization error. This goes much deeper D:

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Originally Posted by Kyata

The Japanese database has the names in the same order, so we can rule out a localization error. This goes much deeper D:

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Hmm. Google translate says that is an Omni rod... so it is indeed not a localization error.

Quick Fire the Dev team!

Well in FFIII (where all those primal weapons were optained around the crystal tower) it was the other way around as well. besides the elder staff making a minor appearance as SCH's base for the mystic weapon quest, they never got used again until now, so there is no real lore pattern to follow.
But usually the staffs are made of wood and the rods look more metal like which again points toward a mix up.

Though we already had a few of those topics and neither did they hot fix the item names nor was there any explaination on this matter. while it is a minor issue it would be just nice to get some info about it. I wonder if there are japanese concerns about this as well.

I think the real question is, "Does it really matter?" If I may quote a very well known line...

"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet"

If you're not familiar with Shakespeare, look it up. Point is, it doesn't matter what something is called, all that matters is what it is and what it's meant to do. As long as function is there, the name is meaningless. Amongst all the issues that currently exist, this is probably dead last on the list of importance. xD

All of the EX primal weapons are based on their FF3 counterparts from the Ancient's Maze and Eureka (which makes sense considering Crystal Tower was added in this same patch) and that is where the reasoning would be found, IF there even is any.

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Elder_Staff - Has Mind on it, and was used by White Mages (+ other jobs)
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/L...eapons#Omnirod - Has Int on it, used by Black Mages

In FF3, Rods were used by Black Mages, and Staves were used by White Mage.

In FF14, it seems that, for these two weapons, they have been mixed up. Considering Black Mage's relic is Stardust Rod (which is, obviously, a rod), and the Thyrus for White Mages' is graphically a staff... It's possible that it is an oversight.

If it's not already, this would be better being in the Lore section, no? Maybe then, someone (especially the Lore residents we have here) will see it and raise a fuss until it is changed.

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Originally Posted by Velox

I think the real question is, "Does it really matter?" If I may quote a very well known line...

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In this case, Final Fantasy lore trumps Shakespeare. So, yes... it does matter ^^

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Originally Posted by Velox

I think the real question is, "Does it really matter?"

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Well, if you're making FF references in a FF game, would it matter if you call a Poison Dagger a Buster Sword and the Buster Sword the Masamune? Or if you call Shiva Siren and Siren Shiva? It matters in the sense there's obvious FF lore being pulled into this game and it gets mixed up because the design of XIV isn't suited for some of the lore.

They already stretched it to fit the FFVI Magitek in.

It absolutely matters. Why wouldn't lore matter in a game/series filled with lore? It may seem minor to some, but to people that do care about lore, this is really important.

There's also the fact that the SMN book is called the Omnitome, so it would make sense that the Omnirod would be the other caster item, given that Omni seems to be the caster prefix.

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Originally Posted by XenlanVordal

There's also the fact that the SMN book is called the Omnitome, so it would make sense that the Omnirod would be the other caster item, given that Omni seems to be the caster prefix.

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Omnitome is a Scholar's weapon from FF3 (here). Then again, they only have 1 book class, so both Cognitome and Omnitome are Scholar items there.

Greetings!

We checked on this with both the Item and Lore teams and they assured us that there is no error with those names and that those are the correctly assigned names.:)

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings!

We checked on this with both the Item and Lore teams and they assured us that there is no error with those names and that those are the correctly assigned names.:)

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It would be nice to understand why the switch was made for XIV. Considering the items are taken from an established source (FF3), it doesn't seem to have any reason.

I would also like to know why. The names literally make no sense as it is. They really need to be switched.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings!

We checked on this with both the Item and Lore teams and they assured us that there is no error with those names and that those are the correctly assigned names.:)

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You know, I really do need to call into question the people who are in charge of naming things on the English version. The other posters here are making an excellent point about these weapons. But there is so many more examples of weirdness in the english names.

- Titan's Granit "Gaols" should really have been named "Jails".

- Players should not be given an ability named "Internal Release".

- "Adloquium". Let's just name a highly used healing ability, something that 99% of players can neither pronounce, nor spell. How about changing it to "Galvanize"?

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings!

We checked on this with both the Item and Lore teams and they assured us that there is no error with those names and that those are the correctly assigned names.:)

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I mean this is just incorrect. One needs only go boot up a copy of FF3 to see it, or just go look at FF Wikia's FF3 weapons article.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings!

We checked on this with both the Item and Lore teams and they assured us that there is no error with those names and that those are the correctly assigned names.:)

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I'm sorry but that makes zero sense.

Gaol is an alternate English spelling of jail. Adloquium is classic FF scholar ability, and besides, I'd rather have the vocabulary of the game follow a somewhat more cerebral standard, I couldn't care less if someone can't pronounce adloquium, all the players that I know can pronounce it just fine. All that aside, the staff/rod thing is silly, it really is backward.

Gaol is gaelic and the actual root for the modern term "jail". It's actually still in use today in Britain and was even previously used in Final Fantasy in FFXI where the GM Jail was specifically named "Mordion Gaol". FFXIV's GM jail carries the same name.
Given that it's a PUG/MNK ability, Internal Release refers to the release of Chi energy. You want them to change it because some people's minds fall too easily into the gutter?
Adloquium is a slightly odd one, though it does fit somewhat. In this sense it means encouragement/reassurance and it's Latin. The Galvanize change they made to the buff is what doesn't properly fit with the term Adloquium unless you look at it as the SCH's encouragement/rally as galvanizing the target's will allowing them to go on.

That said, I do agree that the weapon names should be swapped back.

Adloquium fits the SCH lore wayyyyyyy better than Sacred Soil, Lustrate, and Succor. Scholars are battlefield tacticians, not priests.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings!

We checked on this with both the Item and Lore teams and they assured us that there is no error with those names and that those are the correctly assigned names.:)

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Error or no error, you must switch them.

Really guys? Nobody took the time to go to the wiki and look them up?

Elder Staff
See how it can be used by White Mage and not Black Mage?

Omnirod
See how it can be used by Black Mage and not White Mage?

Took me 2 minutes to look it up on google.

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Originally Posted by ColdGuy

Really guys? Nobody took the time to go to the wiki and look them up?

Elder Staff
See how it can be used by White Mage and not Black Mage?

Omnirod
See how it can be used by Black Mage and not White Mage?

Took me 2 minutes to look it up on google.

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Um... That's the point? Elder staff in ffxiv is a BLM weapon not WHM and omnirod is WHM not BLM

Coldguy was direction their comment at the Lore team not us lol He's showing the team how easy it is to tell the names are wrong. Elder Staff even makes more sense with the LOOK of the staff (old woman/man face).

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Originally Posted by Brannigan

Adloquium fits the SCH lore wayyyyyyy better than Sacred Soil, Lustrate, and Succor. Scholars are battlefield tacticians, not priests.

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I liked the FFXI names for SCH skills, Penury (a lack of resources), Celerity (rapidity of motion or action), Accession (taking possession of something or the addition of something), Parsimony (the quality of being careful with resources), Alacrity (promptness in response), Equanimity (evenness of temper under stress).

The skills in XI fit the lore of the job for both XI and XIV way better than the names in XIV.

The way I saw these weapons, I merely noticed that the Cogni and Omni prefixes on the weapons seemed to denote that they had a "creepy face" on them. This is the one thing in common with the Omnitome, Cognitome, and Omnirod. In that vein, I feel that the Omnirod correctly matches its appearance. As for the actual jobs using the weapons, it is absolutely true that in Final Fantasy III, WHM used the Elder Staff and BLM used the Omnirod. However, both classes were capable of using both staves and rods, so it isn't fantastically against lore for these two weapons to be switched.

It's ok you see they're just confused like they've been since 1.1X, Conjurer had all the elemental spells and would have made more sense if it became Black Mage after focusing on the destructive power of the elementals and Thaumaturge had the better healing spells and would have made more sense if it became White Mage after siding all the way with Nald's aspect of life.

Adloquium exists in FFXI as well though with a different effect. The SCH's encouragement in FFXI's case grants the target TP over time.. As for Omni and Cogni...Omni essentially means ALL. Omnirod refers to use of ALL elements (BLM staves in most FFs had specific elemental affinities). Omnitome is basically saying a book containing EVERYTHING. The prefix Cogni refers to knowledge. So basically we have Book of All and Book of Knowledge.

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Originally Posted by Lithera

Coldguy was direction their comment at the Lore team not us lol He's showing the team how easy it is to tell the names are wrong. Elder Staff even makes more sense with the LOOK of the staff (old woman/man face).

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And the Lore of FFXIV doesn't have much to do with the Lore of other Final Fantasy universes. While it may have been one way in a game before, that doesn't mean it has to be that way in another game. By the standards and lore set for FFXIV, the mod is saying that the team says the names are properly associated. The issue with the name is purely a fan issue that doesn't need to be addressed as far as they are concerned.

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Originally Posted by Gesser

Error or no error, you must switch them.

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QTF!

/10char

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Originally Posted by XanderOlivieri

And the Lore of FFXIV doesn't have much to do with the Lore of other Final Fantasy universes. While it may have been one way in a game before, that doesn't mean it has to be that way in another game. By the standards and lore set for FFXIV, the mod is saying that the team says the names are properly associated. The issue with the name is purely a fan issue that doesn't need to be addressed as far as they are concerned.

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Seeing as yoshi said this is a fanservice game... yes they do.

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Originally Posted by Kyata

The Japanese database has the names in the same order, so we can rule out a localization error. This goes much deeper D:

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It's probably a mistake on the Japanese database side then. Clearly the items were supposed to be the other way around and someone messed up.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings!

We checked on this with both the Item and Lore teams and they assured us that there is no error with those names and that those are the correctly assigned names.:)

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They're wrong lol. Can't you argue with them instead of just taking what they say at face value?

1st time this happened in history

always wen ppl ask for something then a dev response they say thank you

but now a dev responded and ppl still argue

LOL

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Originally Posted by Brannigan

Adloquium fits the SCH lore wayyyyyyy better than Sacred Soil, Lustrate, and Succor. Scholars are battlefield tacticians, not priests.

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If i recall correctly SCH's where active healers(like magical doctors i suppose) when they where not fighting wars. you actually have to go around healing NPCs for one of the quests.

http://i57.tinypic.com/1zovmrq.jpg

Clearly the Enix part of Square made the tile error.

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Originally Posted by Synra

You know, I really do need to call into question the people who are in charge of naming things on the English version. The other posters here are making an excellent point about these weapons. But there is so many more examples of weirdness in the english names.

- Titan's Granit "Gaols" should really have been named "Jails".

- Players should not be given an ability named "Internal Release".

- "Adloquium". Let's just name a highly used healing ability, something that 99% of players can neither pronounce, nor spell. How about changing it to "Galvanize"?

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Or people could not have the mindset of a 4 year old. The names they used are perfectly fine. Sorry they didn't call the nations grassland, hot town and the beach. I suppose you'd want Paladins named metal sword guys and Internal release to be called get stronger