The need for zones with inaccessibility, Sneak/Invis

What do I mean by inaccessibility? I just mean that at least a few parts of future zones should have some areas accessible to full alliances, but generally inaccessible to others.

A new region would have accessible and inaccessible zones. The accessible zones may have mobs increasing in level as players approach the zone lines to the alliance level zones. This would be a good area for 8man content. There would then be 2-3 alliance zones.

These zones would have cap level content and cater to players wanting exploration based content. Bring back Sneak/Invis for these areas.This would make it so that solo players could explore these areas. Gathering in these zones may even be possible that way. There would not be as many aetherites, and they would act as checkpoints. There are many more possibilities for this kind of zone including open world dungeons. FCs need this kind of 24man content.

Does anyone else support something like this to help bring the world back to life?

Best way to bring the world back alive is to add content people actually want to play, something that's legitimately fun. Adding in overwhelming content isn't going to fix that problem.

Back when people were crying to add more exp to dungeons the world was vibrant and alive with people running all over the place running FATEs. They were getting together in groups, recruiting for parties, etc.

Now people are crying that the worlds are empty - your never going to be satisfied with what you have, period.

There is no need

I'm just saying that when expansion zones are added they need to contain content for soloers, parties, AND alliances. The alliance areas would likely be overwhelming for a party or solo player if they tried to fight anything, but pretty easy for a 24 man. I'm just afraid the zones they add will be just like the original ones: All zones that a solo level 50 can explore and complete easily. It's great if a few like that are added, I'm only asking for a couple alliance zones to bolster 24 man content while adding an exploration aspect to the open world.

in 1.0, we have 4 type of mob aggro: sight, sound, true sight, and true sound. It sure was really thrilling when we're trying to tag faraway aether which has lvl 80-99 mob with true aggro & sight camping around that aether, even sometimes need to ask a friend to sacrifice him/her, so that I can pass through to reach it. lol

Now in ARR, we only have 1: sight. You can just literally run or even bumped their back, and they wouldn't give a shit. :p
oh... we do also have sound aggro, but they're only in dungeons. lol

in 1.0, we have mob as high as lvl 99. It sure heck as fun when we always had to walk around aggro sound- lvl 99 Treant to reach King Mog battle entrance. lol

Now? only max lvl 50 mob. And they even hit like a dairy too. lol

So... what's the point? lol

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Originally Posted by BobbinT

in 1.0, we have 4 type of mob aggro: sight, sound, true sight, and true sound. It sure was really thrilling when we're trying to tag faraway aether which has lvl 80-99 mob with true aggro & sight camping around that aether, even sometimes need to ask a friend to sacrifice him/her, so that I can pass through to reach it. lol

Now in ARR, we only have 1: sight. You can just literally run or even bumped their back, and they wouldn't give a shit. :p
oh... we do also have sound aggro, but they're only in dungeons. lol

in 1.0, we have mob as high as lvl 99. It sure heck as fun when we always had to walk around aggro sound- lvl 99 Treant to reach King Mog battle entrance. lol

Now? only max lvl 50 mob. And they even hit like a dairy too. lol

So... what's the point? lol

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technically there's sight and sound.... walk behind a morbol and it will aggro

Mob placement was really good in FFXI like going to Kazaam and pulling mandies but having to avoid high level goblins patrolling the area. Having to get out of Quifim when night time hits because of undead. FFXIV just throws a bunch of trash mobs in whatever area with circle and frontal cone aoes which makes it feel bland.

bring back 1.0 black shroud i guess...

I would like to see more dangerous zones!
And make the imperial strongholds far more dangerous.
It's ridiculous that one player alone can faceroll through a stronghold!

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Originally Posted by Rakashu

Adding in overwhelming content isn't going to fix that problem. Back when people were crying to add more exp to dungeons the world was vibrant and alive with people running all over the place running FATEs. Now people are crying that the worlds are empty - your never going to be satisfied with what you have, period.

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Um..i would think adding a challenge to this game (that which you call overwhelming) would be a good thing. If you are too scared to go into those areas, then don't go! There are plenty other things for you to do. But for people who like the feel of fear or sense of accomplishment (which is fun to me), I say put these areas in for them! Like you say, people won't be satisfied with what they have, but at least give them the options!! That is the key thing we don't have here. Yes, Yoshi intentionally made this game casual friendly, that's cool. But the last time I checked casual didn't mean non-challenging.

A dated mechanic from an archaic MMO wont fix any of the relevant issues.

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Originally Posted by Drivont

technically there's sight and sound.... walk behind a morbol and it will aggro

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lol, u're half right. they're sound aggro. Just tested on walking around it, and it doesn't aggro. switching back to running does aggro.

I would want this concept executed differently than it was in FFXI. Sneak/Invis would be something that would only be useful in those few alliance areas I spoke of. In FFXI, sneak/invis had to be used all the time as you leveled up in the game.

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Originally Posted by Preypacer

I realize there are a lot of people who feel if a particular type of content doesn't interest them personally, then it shouldn't exist at all... but, frankly... those types need to look at a map of the universe and realize they're not at the center of it.

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the game revolves around the majority and if the majority doesn't want it then that is the way it is.

I honestly enjoy being able to freely explore all the overworld areas of FFXIV. If something agros me I can just kill it, because that's what's fun for me.

I don't want areas where I need to get a party or alliance to be able to explore them, that's what dungeons are for.

People always talk about how it was so much fun to sneak/invisible in FFXI. The way I remember it, it wasn't even fun the first time we passed through an area, it was just annoying.

I'm this game, mobs are a nuisance at best. One sleep or aggro onto the fairy, etc and they are dealt with and one can go about their day. There is zero risk as a 50 to go anywhere, I would love for some rare spawn marbol to come and cast Extremely Bad Breath on the party.

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A few Malboro Notorious Monsters have a deadly variant called Extremely Bad Breath, so toxic that it inflicts Instant K.O. on all in range.

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Tonberries that Instant-KO with Chef's Knife. Not saying that it has to be FFXI where running past a bunny makes you quake in your boots, but some actual danger, especially in beastman strongholds, would be a nice change.

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Originally Posted by Gilthas

I honestly enjoy being able to freely explore all the overworld areas of FFXIV. If something agros me I can just kill it, because that's what's fun for me.

I don't want areas where I need to get a party or alliance to be able to explore them, that's what dungeons are for.

People always talk about how it was so much fun to sneak/invisible in FFXI. The way I remember it, it wasn't even fun the first time we passed through an area, it was just annoying.

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Exactly. And for those wanting sneak and invisible to return, just remember in FFXI SE effectively made those spells useless anyway with a lot of higher level mobs having truesight and truehearing which completely ignored those spells and attacked the player anyway. Redundant spells are redundant I hate to say.

I'm glad ARR I can head from one city to another with relative ease even at low levels and not have to worry about some stupid trash mob picking a fight with me as it just makes things annoying when I want to get somewhere in a hurry. Leave high level agro for dungeons and out-of-reach areas and let newbie areas remain exactly that.

Not sure though... I kinda miss the feel back in 1.0 when trying to sneak to dangerous area, gave a sense of thrill. Now? Have to admit that it's a bit boring.
Fortunately, playing XI kinda does gave that feeling back, in a sense. Maybe it's just me though...

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Originally Posted by Damie

I'm just saying that when expansion zones are added they need to contain content for soloers, parties, AND alliances. The alliance areas would likely be overwhelming for a party or solo player if they tried to fight anything, but pretty easy for a 24 man.

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And just what reason would anyone have to form an ALLIANCE for open world trash-hunting?

HNMs? They don't NEED zones where non-raiders can't go .. to me, those who call for 'alliance only' content are this game's version of 'raiders needs exclusive content' in most other MMOs.

BTW, V1 had zones like this .. Mor Dhona had some mobs way, way over the level 50 cap players had, I have screenshots showing level 89 'hogs' whatever they were called, as just one example .. and alliances only went there for HNMs, the rest of the time it was empty of players, a totally worthless zone and a waste of the developers' time creating it.

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Originally Posted by Mishari

I would like to see more dangerous zones!
And make the imperial strongholds far more dangerous.
It's ridiculous that one player alone can faceroll through a stronghold!

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This is what I'm saying.. Mobs in strongholds should be much tougher. We need some seriously dangerous zones with many OPTIONAL quests that send you there. Also i think the tether between monsters following you should be MUCH longer.. and get rid of that silly "invulnerable" when they run away..

Maybe what they do is add new areas with all of these different things in an expansion so that all of the starting areas are still easy for new players.

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Originally Posted by Mishari

I would like to see more dangerous zones!
And make the imperial strongholds far more dangerous.
It's ridiculous that one player alone can faceroll through a stronghold!

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That's what i asked for the next live letter. I find it really stupid too to be able to enter in stronghold alone and run through everything like that. In the story imperials and barbarians are supposed to be greatest threats but one guy can kill the camp alone....
You have my "like" we need more dangerous zones.

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Originally Posted by Rakashu

Best way to bring the world back alive is to add content people actually want to play, something that's legitimately fun. Adding in overwhelming content isn't going to fix that problem.

Back when people were crying to add more exp to dungeons the world was vibrant and alive with people running all over the place running FATEs. They were getting together in groups, recruiting for parties, etc.

Now people are crying that the worlds are empty - your never going to be satisfied with what you have, period.

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I've been wondering why fates were being left alone as I've been playing. I had to stop playing for a few months and found it kinda empty compared to before. People wreck things so badly :(