Interesting FFXII-FFXIV similarities [Lore]

Just found this article on gamerescape.com and thought it would be pretty interesting for some of you guys. :

http://gamerescape.com/2013/09/24/lo...n-ascian-name/

We already know that xiv shares some similarities with XII (e.g. monsters), but this article goes a bit deeper into that matter and strengthens my, and probably a lot of peoples, theory of Eorzea being in the same universe as Ivalice if not on the same planet, just way in the past or just on the other side of the planet, since we don't know all of Hydaelyn.
There even seems to be a city called 'Dalmasca' (coincidence?).
Also, I could easily imagine 'The Floating City of Nym' becoming Bhujerba in the future, who knows. :)

This might be old news for some people, but still better than some QQ-thread.

/nerdmode off

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-d79nBEBAqD...wn_xlarge.jpeg

Now we know how the Viera can come to Eorzea.

Also,

Belias is an elder primal alongside Zodiark and is also summoned by Ascians.

Old news for sure but I'm sure we'll be seeing more of this story unfold soon, with the cliffhanger at the end of 2.1 and whatnot.

Random thought: Nethicite vs. Crystalized Aether, go.

It isn't also the first time we see Shantotto or FFXI mobs. Omg, does it mean it takes place in Vana'diel?

Wait a second... Shiva, Ifrit, Bahamut, the CT are also there... maybe it's actually FFIII world then?

Wait, did someone say Lighting? Then it must be FFXIII world, clearly.

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Originally Posted by Taruranto

It isn't also the first time we see Shantotto or FFXI mobs. Omg, does it mean it takes place in Vana'diel?

Wait a second... Shiva, Ifrit, Bahamut, the CT are also there... maybe it's actually FFIII world then?

Wait, did someone say Lighting? Then it must be FFXIII world, clearly.

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I wasn't referring to reoccurring elements like mobs, summons, etc.
I was pointing out some lorewise similarities to XII, that are pretty convincing to a certain extend, since SE purposely connects XIV's with XII's mythology like Lahabrea being the light counterpart of Mateus for example.
They also share part of their glyphs.
I think it would be stupid of SE if they handeled this matter like reusing some trashmobs or names because they could've easily thought of something else if they didn't want to connect XII with XIV

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Originally Posted by Dante_Purgatory

I wasn't referring to reoccurring elements like mobs, summons, etc.
I was pointing out some lorewise similarities to XII, that are pretty convincing to a certain extend, since SE purposely connects XIV's with XII's mythology like Lahabrea being the light counterpart of Mateus for example.
They also share part of their glyphs.
I think it would be stupid of SE if they handeled this matter like reusing some trashmobs or names because they could've easily thought of something else if they didn't want to connect XII with XIV

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There are lorewise similarities with 3 too. Actually, there are more similarities with III than XII.

Also there are lorewise similarities between FFIX and I too, VII and VI, VIII and IV, III and V.

It doesn't make them connected, it called "being part of the same-series that often re-uses a lot of elements". XIV is especially guilty of this, since it takes a bit of everything (Gunblade and Ultima Weapon design from VIII, Judges design from XII, Summon designs from XI, CT from III, Krile and Galuf from V)

Don't forget Cid, Wedge and Biggs from almost every version.

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Originally Posted by Taruranto

There are lorewise similarities with 3 too. Actually, there are more similarities with III than XII.

Also there are lorewise similarities between FFIX and I too, VII and VI, VIII and IV, III and V.

It doesn't make them connected, it called "being part of the same-series that often re-uses a lot of elements". XIV is especially guilty of this, since it takes a bit of everything (Gunblade and Ultima Weapon design from VIII, Judges design from XII, Summon designs from XI, CT from III, Krile and Galuf from V)

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The only similarity with 3 is CT and the 'Hero of Light'-gear, afaik. Maybe I missed something, but I see them more like nods to different FF's for fanservice's sake.
As for other FF installments, I haven't really seen that much similarities. But then again, I might have missed some things. Feel free to enlighten me ;)
As far as I am concerned, I would be pretty disappointed if SE just re-used some parts of another FF's mythology for their 'main-story' just because they like re-using stuff...

Akihiko Yoshida (best designer in Square-Enix with no doubts) is the art director both for FFXII and XIV, similarities are obvious. :p

This game has similarities with almost every FF :/

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Originally Posted by Dante_Purgatory

The only similarity with 3 is CT and the 'Hero of Light'-gear, afaik. Maybe I missed something, but I see them more like nods to different FF's for fanservice's sake.
As for other FF installments, I haven't really seen that much similarities. But then again, I might have missed some things. Feel free to enlighten me ;)
As far as I am concerned, I would be pretty disappointed if SE just re-used some parts of another FF's mythology for their 'main-story' just because they like re-using stuff...

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While XIV screwed a lot of FF references for the sake of making this a standard MMORPG, they kept some:

FF3 - Crystal Tower/Labyrinth of the Ancients still remain as a portal to ancients, along with Land of Eureka coming. You can't get any more similar than direct import of concept.
FF6 - The current Magitek Reapers are used on the frontline assault more than the Vanguard (Version 1.x) and Juggernaut (1.x) - In FFVI, they too were the frontline Magitek unit (same design too.)
FF11 - Ignoring Shantotto, Titan is also a protector more so than just a god that wants to wreck things. Shiva is said to have her own kingdom in XIV, much like the Shiva in FFXI, also linked to the Gigas coincidentally.

There's more lore relations to many of the FFs than just XII, a lot of us joked that the world of Hydaleyn or w/e is Vana'diel in the future, which isn't too unplausible since Atomos in XI can devour realities and 'choose' which is the real reality, in XIV, he is also a temporal being.

Meh, I had also said some things about it back in days, but people said it was just a lack of imagination on SE's part (Damalsca as an example, is quoted during 2.0 storyline. And it's a recurring city in the world of Ivalice..)

I have a wild idea.

What if it isn't Ivalice, the Nova Crystalis worlds, or the world of light and dark. What if instead, this is an intermediary plane of existence? Think about it:

So far we've had two dimensional travelers really: Shantotto and Lightning (correct me if I'm wrong). We also have heavy thematic elements from other games (Crystal Tower, Gold Saucer soon too) and also primals and monsters, not to mention the jobs themselves.

Could it be instead that Eorzea is in a central location to the other Final Fantasy Worlds, being influenced to a point where it manifests objects and such from these worlds? Hence why we have all these things from other games together in one place and why our two dimensional traveling ladies ended up here for a spot.

Hydaelyn is not an intermediary world (that would be the Dissidia setting), but more like FFIX's Gaia which as well as having it's own unique ideas, also includes many intentional references, in jokes and call-backs to past FF titles. Yoshi-P stated ages ago he's a huge fan of the earlier FF titles (FFVII is actually his favourite, apparently), and he wants ARR to be a fond call back to all the games that came before it. That doesn't mean Hyadelyn is such-and-such a world from another specific FF title though, as it isn't. It just uses references to other FF games in a more ironic or subtle way.

And as for Lightning and Shantotto's recent crossover appearances in ARR, considering both characters already can travel across dimensions in their own respective games, it's little wonder they both ended up in Hydaelyn - the game itself didn't even need an explanation for how they found themselves here, they just were.

Based on lighting returns ending wouldn't it be safer to assume that lightings world was the 1st final fantasy and that everything else is the result of her actions?

You know? I always thought of FFXIV as a online upgraded version of FFXII... Was my favorite FF game, I played it so many times...

When making my character for first time in FFXIV... I remembered the opening song of FFXII, it was so awesome... When I think of FFXIV as a upgraded-online version of FFXII I think it didn't disappoint me yet.

(For example I disliked FFXIII because the battle system was like a 'back' in history to FFX-2's system instead of using FFXII system that was really lovely, without changing scenes for combat, just fighting in the world while exploring)

In my opinion they should add more things from XII to XIV, but of course, there would appear those who always say "It has nothing to be with this game, this is XIV, not XII, It has no sense, It's not the same lore..." and I don't want to start a discussion about it, just to say my personal opinion... XIV felt like playing an online upgraded version of XII

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I just wanna say...I love your sig lmao

You know it is the same development team.. right? lol

FF1-FF10 = 100% Sqauresoft,

FF11 = 75% Sqauresoft and 25% Sqaure Enix.

FF12 = 20% Squaresoft and 80% Sqaure Enix.

FF13 - FF14 - 100% Square Enix.

OFF TOPIC:

You guys are only like 7 months too late.
This information was on the lore section of the forum for ages.

Yes, I'm being a lore hipster.

http://retroseek.com/wp-content/uplo...uall-cloud.jpg

ON TOPIC:

I personally love the Ivalice lore of both Final Fantasy Tactics (advance) and Final Fantasy XII.

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Originally Posted by Tannlore

Could it be instead that Eorzea is in a central location to the other Final Fantasy Worlds, being influenced to a point where it manifests objects and such from these worlds? Hence why we have all these things from other games together in one place and why our two dimensional traveling ladies ended up here for a spot.

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This reminds me a lot of Stephen King's Dark Tower series. I still have suspicions that the Crystal Tower could perhaps have a similar function as the Dark Tower, in that it holds worlds together and creates interconnectivity.

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Originally Posted by Dante_Purgatory

The only similarity with 3 is CT and the 'Hero of Light'-gear, afaik. Maybe I missed something, but I see them more like nods to different FF's for fanservice's sake.
As for other FF installments, I haven't really seen that much similarities. But then again, I might have missed some things. Feel free to enlighten me ;)
As far as I am concerned, I would be pretty disappointed if SE just re-used some parts of another FF's mythology for their 'main-story' just because they like re-using stuff...

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They specifically linked Allagan lore into the CT. Some of this Allagan lore is directly taken from FFIII. So it is more than just similarities. For instance the team that yourself and Cid are a part of is called Noah. They even say this is because of the Allagan Great Magus called Noah. In FF3 the tower and Xande are both related to this Great Magus. This, as the notes above about Lahabrea, are more than just similarities. It's combined lore. So yes, this game has strong lore coming from other games than just FFXII and this supports the notion that it's just another FF game reusing content from previous games. To what end we do not know, but this much is certain.

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You know? I always thought of FFXIV as a online upgraded version of FFXII...

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That's funny, because I always thought XII was an offline solo version of XI.

I wonder how often Yoshida uses these design tropes. Could be interesting to look into.

FFXIV: ARR was always introduced as a fan service for FF fans. so expect similarities from all FF titles.

The void... brilliant concept to mix games SE.

Perhaps XII and XIV are not necessarily the same world but are connected similarly to the Worlds of Light and Darkness in FF III?

Stay with me here, at the end of III, the Warriors of Light's world (that of Luneth, Refia, etc.) from the World of Light joins forces with the (freed from the dark crystals) Warriors of Darkness, who are implied to have come from a world of darkness, in order to defeat Cloud of Darkness.

Now, Lahabrea in XIV is considered a Scion of Light according to the op's linked article and Mateus is listed as a Scion of Darkness. However, I don't think XIV actually references Mateus directly, perhaps implying that he does not exist in Eorzea (which doesn't necessarily mean he does not exist in the lore).

It may very well be that the Scions of Light and Darkness, like in III, are actually split across the void between the worlds of XII and XIV. Why they would want to reach one another, and if this implies further connections to III, who knows =P

I wonder... what about moogles from FFXII?!...

Somehow they are my favorite design, don't you agree? It would be awesome to have them as playable race in XIV, but sadly won't be possible since they already decided to use the similar of XIII.

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Akihiko Yoshida (best designer in Square-Enix with no doubts) is the art director both for FFXII and XIV, similarities are obvious. :p

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Akihiko Yoshida is NOT the ad of ARR. He was in XIV 1.0 though but not during 2.0's developement. As we all know he now only does freelance work for SE after leaving the company.

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Originally Posted by Seif

Akihiko Yoshida is NOT the ad of ARR. He was in XIV 1.0 though but not during 2.0's developement. As we all know he now only does freelance work for SE after leaving the company.

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I think he still works on it (how much I'm not sure). I believe they mentioned it somewhere a while back.

There's a whole new BD game he is working on so it's safe to assume his involvement with arr at this point in time isn't that big. (Just draw us those male vieras dude and we'll be ok!)

http://www.novacrystallis.com/2014/0...t-new-battles/

In this article posted yesterday, what race does Yugiri represent? She has awfully big ears to be any of the races we currently have. (I'm posting her full image on the next post as it overlaps my text).

http://www.novacrystallis.com/wp-con...014/03/005.jpg

That's a female goblin.

She's much taller than Alphinaud.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

I think he still works on it (how much I'm not sure). I believe they mentioned it somewhere a while back.

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That's right.