Behest Mini Bosses

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Hello!

I tried to look up ideas that'd be similiar to mine from the forums, but I couldn't find any. So
in addition to normal behests, I thought about what could add a little bit more spice to the monotonous way of behests, so here's the idea I came up with:

Every behest could have a mini boss in the end to add in a little bit more anticipation towards to completing it. Behest would stay the same as it is now, but having a little boss in the end would be optional for players so they can choose to defeat it or not. Let's put an example:

You defeat all the normal monsters and get the gil from them, but there's an additional baddie, a miniboss that drops off some neat stuff corresponding to the rank of the behest in question. The mini boss would need a full party to be defeated. It wouldn't be anything too hard, just that you couldn't kill it with just a few people. It's not like you will fail behest if you don't have enough people in it to defeat the boss as you will always get the gil reward from the normal monsters. Also, you could add in some collectibles like a mark that you obtain each time you manage to defeat the boss. Collect enough of these = get something. This would add a great deal of more repeating value on behests than just obtaining a bit of gil every time you complete them.

So in short...

Behest Monsters - Get gil from defeating them first.
After this you get the option to defeat:
Miniboss - Drops nice stuff for each of the classes. Also drops collectibles (Mark of Conquest) or something along the lines that you can exchange for stuff/gear in the cities.
Get achievement for defeating the minibosses of behests.(?)

So what do you think? :)

Not a bad idea. I always wished they treated behest like WAR did with public quest. One of the most innovated things to come into a MMO in a long long time. Ah well.

I would be in favour of this. I sort of think that's what they had planned anyway, with the last group spawning after the initial defeat of the first 'wave', but it sort of doesn't work out like that at the minute... But it would definitely make doing Behest's a LOT more fun.

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Originally Posted by Vackashken

Not a bad idea. I always wished they treated behest like WAR did with public quest. One of the most innovated things to come into a MMO in a long long time. Ah well.

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Yeah I've played WAR too. That's why I thought of this. It really was a good thing in the game, I enjoyed it a lot. The only problem with their public quests was the "rolling for loot" -system, even if you didn't really do anything during the whole public quest, with a high enough roll you could get the best rewards over someone who bust his back killing the monsters. They tried to counter it with having you get points for the effort that you gave during the public quest, but it didn't really serve it's purpose correctly in my opinion. Also the loot that you obtained from the public quest completion rewards weren't anything too fancy. Still they were a nice addition if you happened to have some use for them during your leveling and adventures :)

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Originally Posted by Nasibihc

I tried to look up ideas that'd be similiar to mine from the forums, but I couldn't find any.

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Actually, we discussed behest bosses in this thread:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ehest-Feedback

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Originally Posted by Nasibihc

Yeah I've played WAR too. That's why I thought of this. It really was a good thing in the game, I enjoyed it a lot. The only problem with their public quests was the "rolling for loot" -system, even if you didn't really do anything during the whole public quest, with a high enough roll you could get the best rewards over someone who bust his back killing the monsters. They tried to counter it with having you get points for the effort that you gave during the public quest, but it didn't really serve it's purpose correctly in my opinion. Also the loot that you obtained from the public quest completion rewards weren't anything too fancy. Still they were a nice addition if you happened to have some use for them during your leveling and adventures :)

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The roll was effected by the amount of mobs you killed - the more you did the more of a initial bonus you got. Not sure how well that would work in 14 but I'm sure something could be translated. And geez, some of the stuff was pretty darn good I thought. It depended if you got the top loot bag and what level you were participating in. Either or its nice to see someone coming from it from a WAR point of view. It really was a great aspect in the game that was simple yet good fun.

It would do well for 14 to adopt something like that. I haven't played a game thats done anything like that before - it worthy of a blueprint being swiped and modulated to fit the game.

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

Actually, we discussed behest bosses in this thread:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ehest-Feedback

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Thanks for the link! Well, my post specifically deals with the boss idea, having a thread full of different ideas isn't making anything in particular stand out. Also my idea takes up on the item rewards, collectibles and achievements from defeating behest bosses. :)

I'm pretty sure the monsters at the end is a "mini-boss" event. They are always higher level than any of the previous mobs.

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Originally Posted by ApplePie

I'm pretty sure the monsters at the end is a "mini-boss" event. They are always higher level than any of the previous mobs.

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Oh well, I still don't consider a pair of dodos as a boss. lol

I would love if some of the higher leveled Behests spawned a special NM or something for them.

For stuff less than level 30, it'd be cool if they at least spawned a bigger/slightly altered version of an animal near the camp...like a giant-ish Coblyn with diamonds on its back for the Black Brush behest.

The recent letter mentioned repeating some of the same guildleves might take place in different routes or areas on the map. Perhaps they could make it where multiple behests can happen at the same time similar to that by taking place in different spots on the map.

Aside from that 8 person behest problem, i do believe there needs to be a more genuine feeling of accomplishment when defeating behest bosses. They seem too bland.

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

I would love if some of the higher leveled Behests spawned a special NM or something for them.

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thats pretty much what the OP is saying. Here let me dig up a video of what WAR did.

Here is a video of a "NM" that spawns after the segements of the quest are done.

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Originally Posted by Vackashken

thats pretty much what the OP is saying. Here let me dig up a video of what WAR did.

Here is a video of a "NM" that spawns after the segements of the quest are done.

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Haha, great minds think alike! That's exactly the coolest WAR public quest in my mind. I still remember my first reaction, I was like "WTF IS THAT?!" when it appeared and came trashing down those trees :P

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Originally Posted by Vackashken

thats pretty much what the OP is saying. Here let me dig up a video of what WAR did.

Here is a video of a "NM" that spawns after the segements of the quest are done.

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It looks cool but I don't think it lasted long enough.

I was thinking more like 2-3 minute battle.

Also Rift rifts are the same deal: group battles with mini-objectives (and sometimes more than kill everything) ending with one or two bosses. Works fantastically.

Best call in Fippy Darkpaw for the ones in bentbranch/bearded rock/blackbrush. Hopefully he isn't too busy getting killed every 5 minutes.

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Originally Posted by Nasibihc

Haha, great minds think alike! That's exactly the coolest WAR public quest in my mind. I still remember my first reaction, I was like "WTF IS THAT?!" when it appeared and came trashing down those trees :P

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Lol yeah, that was frikken awesome when you first see it "back in the day". Remember the giant demon thing in one of the towns thats chained to the center. Ah well...

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

It looks cool but I don't think it lasted long enough.

I was thinking more like 2-3 minute battle.

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Oh I agree - we're not speaking of it should be exactly like this. Just something of a similar nature with an interesting boss at the end. Not just more of the same at the end.

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Originally Posted by Nasibihc

Oh well, I still don't consider a pair of dodos as a boss. lol

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Me neither. It actually took a long while before I understood what the OP meant by that.
The 3d modelers have been on a 7-month vacation so far.

I think it's not unreasonable to expect them to get some new unique mobs done?

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Originally Posted by Vackashken

Lol yeah, that was frikken awesome when you first see it "back in the day". Remember the giant demon thing in one of the towns thats chained to the center. Ah well...

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Depends what city it was in.. I used to like WAR a lot, but then my gfx burned down so I couldn't play anything for a long time.. so I kinda quit playing it because of that. The game was actually pretty demanding on the specs of your computer, even though it was released years ago. I still play ffxiv on the same computer ^^ Quests were really nice in that game also, lots of storyline in them. I still can't but wonder why there's a quest limit in ffxiv.. I'm not talking about the leve limit but you can do only 16 quests every reset.. that lasts you for like a few hours or something. Most I hate when I've done everything and I have nothing else to do than grind or do behests o_o That's one of the reasons why I came up with the behest boss idea, to make it less boring, lol.

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Originally Posted by Seif

Me neither. It actually took a long while before I understood what the OP meant by that.
The 3d modelers have been on a 7-month vacation so far.

I think it's not unreasonable to expect them to get some new unique mobs done?

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Well personally I'm wondering why must they make us wait such a long time for a patch anyways? Why can't they just implement small fixes. The time gap between every patch is HUGE. Mostly I'm waiting for the 1.18 patch just to find it hilariously funny from the view of "Instances filled with monsters that are already running the fields, but hey now they're different color!" or something like that.

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The dodo are "mini-bosses". Just because it isn't a humanoid or Dodo Qink, doesn't mean it isn't a "mini-boss". At higher ranked leves, the monsters you fight are roughly rank 34-39 and then the "mini-boss" will be rank 49. That is definitely a mini-boss to me. I don't understand what everyone wants them to add. It is only 20 minutes long.

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Originally Posted by ApplePie

The dodo are "mini-bosses". Just because it isn't a humanoid or Dodo Qink, doesn't mean it isn't a "mini-boss". At higher ranked leves, the monsters you fight are roughly rank 34-39 and then the "mini-boss" will be rank 49. That is definitely a mini-boss to me. I don't understand what everyone wants them to add. It is only 20 minutes long.

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It's anti-climactic and feels less accomplished than doing...anything else. Settlement being attacked? Leaders are dodos that look exactly like every other dodo in the game and take less time to kill than it took to do the rest of the behest.

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

It's anti-climactic and feels less accomplished than doing...anything else. Settlement being attacked? Leaders are dodos that look exactly like every other dodo in the game and take less time to kill than it took to do the rest of the behest.

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Keep in mind apple is as dense as depleted uranium.

Mini boss's ftw. I think they should always spawn at the end of every behest. If anything, put a few different mini boss's for the computer to randomly generate at the end of the behest. Make it so behest's are by wave, and each wave increases in difficulty till the last wave equals the boss. Apply several exclusive drops to these boss's, maybe behest specific gear, or very rare gear that varies on the level of the camp you are currently doing a behest at.

MAKE IT HAPPEN!!!

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Originally Posted by SydeBeheln

Mini boss's ftw. I think they should always spawn at the end of every behest. If anything, put a few different mini boss's for the computer to randomly generate at the end of the behest. Make it so behest's are by wave, and each wave increases in difficulty till the last wave equals the boss. Apply several exclusive drops to these boss's, maybe behest specific gear, or very rare gear that varies on the level of the camp you are currently doing a behest at.

MAKE IT HAPPEN!!!

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Hopefully they will do this!

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Originally Posted by SydeBeheln

If anything, put a few different mini boss's for the computer to randomly generate at the end of the behest. Make it so behest's are by wave, and each wave increases in difficulty till the last wave equals the boss. Apply several exclusive drops to these boss's, maybe behest specific gear, or very rare gear that varies on the level of the camp you are currently doing a behest at.

MAKE IT HAPPEN!!!

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That random boss is an interesting idea. That shouldn't be too punishing though, with this I mean that every boss should still be able to drop the same class items, but maybe the boss could have something little more unique in them, like a drop that is really rare and can only drop from that certain boss and of course just the boss would be randomly generated to the behest. It's not like the same boss attempts to kill the ppl every time ;)

I liked the wave idea though, but in some scenarios it could be troublesome and would cover the idea of having a steady behest. The monsters still need to be around the rank of the behest so it'd be difficult to make this happen. For casual players the monsters still need to be on the level that they are easily defeated. On my original post I said that the level of equipment that drops off the behest mini bosses are according to the behest level. So for example Broken Water (40) behest would hold R40 gear in it and so on.

Just got another idea about the bosses and what they could be like. I thought that having 2-3 types of bosses, with 3 unique models. A mage, a fighter and a ranged/melee boss. Each of them could drop gear corresponding to what they are. Mage drops stuff for con & thm. Fighter for gld, mrd and lnc. Ranged for arc & pug for example. Also it would be less stressing for the development team to create only 3 different boss models. Also this would let each player have a 33% chance to get their gears from behest. So waiting an eternity for that desired drop is not an option. Of course all of the bosses could drop the same tokens and as I said before each of them could have a rare unique item / accessory they can drop, which would benefit everyone. So when ever you do it, no matter what class you are, you could always obtain something for yourself. :)

Oh I'm so not ashamed of what I just did. Comon people, 600 views? only 29 likes? :( I thought it was a good idea lol.