Make FSHing more like FISHing

Off-hand Reels (different looks, actually display on the rod)

Cast

Control Depth - Drop Line/Reel Back?

Depth Meter (different fish based on depth)

Set the Hook - Weak/Strong?

Tension Meter (manipulate drag to keep the fish hooked)

Increase/Decrease Drag

Respond to Tugs (sound cues prompting when to pause/reel)


It could be a bit more like Crafting in that you could have a Distance measure (opposite to progress, when a fish hooks you want to reel it back in…it’ll fight you increasing distance away, if it reaches max you lose the fish)… and utilize techniques to help your odds of baiting HQ fish (chum, drift, jig, troll, & etc… perhaps differentiate it from crafting in that you couldn’t 100% HQ, maybe cap at 50% with the remaining 50% left to chance).

As it is currently, FSHing is pretty lame... there's a ton of potential currently built into the game to make FSHing amazing & honestly... it wouldn't be too difficult. I just handed you the tools, now: make a few reel-models/icons, create a few simple abilities plus their animations, a couple UI elements, & you're done.

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Originally Posted by Gesser

Cast

Control Depth - Drop Line/Reel Back?

Depth Meter (different fish based on depth)

Set the Hook - Weak/Strong?

Tension Meter (manipulate drag to keep the fish hooked)

Increase/Decrease Drag

Respond to Tugs (sound cues prompting when to pause/reel)

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This is how fishing was in 1.0. You'd cast and be prompted to choose your depth, one of 11 slots (0, +1 to +5, -1 to -5). After you set your depth, you'd wait. A fish would either then nibble, where you'd wait, or bite, where you'd jig. On jigging you were given a pie slice chart thingy, with a ball moving left and right over it. It was essentially cut into five zones, and jigging in one zone would give you a result. If you were close to where you'd reel in the fish, it would say that you're pulling on the line. If it was off, the fish would be pulling on the line. Sometimes it would say that you had it right but couldn't quite reel it yet, at which point you'd jig at the same spot again.

It was really easy once you got it, and at level 50 the pattern never changed anywhere, so you always knew what you were going to get. But the system relied on you paying attention, and if you ever lost a fish it was entirely your fault.

I miss it still.

I personally don't mind how fishing is now. I just wish you could make -some- gil off it. Or that it had some nice endgame stuff to do (like 10,000 moat carps for lu-shangs)

I don't think the way I laid it out is asking for much... a few of those things could be scrapped even.

I just want more than a wait for it... wait for it... wait for it... single button press.

I don't mind it so much except for two things:

1.) the insane inventory aggro.

Unlike other gathering classes (but akin to fishing in real life) you cannot control which items you gather. With 8+ types of fish at each location, plus their HQ counterparts, that gives a chance for 16+ item slot clogging types of fish. Not to mention different types of bait. Just give us a tacklebox, SE!

2.) Sandfishing and Skyfishing

Cause there isn't enough water in eorzea? forreals?

New Fishing content is coming with 2.2

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- new fishing challenges

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Maybe something with Leviathan?

And yes, OP wishes sound a bit like the fishing during 1.0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...eGfvqOrg#t=652

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Originally Posted by NyneAlexander

2.) Sandfishing and Skyfishing

Cause there isn't enough water in eorzea? forreals?

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Never heard about flying fishes? ^^

Also, more use for fish.... most of them aren't even used as crafting mats and/or GC turn-in :/ And what's with the silliness that aquariums (for housing) are hard to design, while we're on topic of fish? >.>

EDIT: Dunefishing and skyfishing make a splashing watery sound when you reel fish in -_-

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Originally Posted by Azurymber

I personally don't mind how fishing is now. I just wish you could make -some- gil off it. Or that it had some nice endgame stuff to do (like 10,000 moat carps for lu-shangs)

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Good news for you then. Fish several thousand times at various locations throughout Eorzea and you can obtain a Luminary Rod.

I hope they make more fishing actions. As of now I can fish without looking at the screen.

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Originally Posted by myahele

I hope they make more fishing actions. As of now I can fish without looking at the screen.

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Word... which has merit, but I'd rather be actively playing the game than going into windowed-mode, watching Hulu, & periodically clicking.

It would also be neat if you have a chance in fishing up shards, crystals and clusters or maybe even weapon parts.

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Originally Posted by myahele

It would also be neat if you have a chance in fishing up shards, crystals and clusters or maybe even weapon parts.

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We also used to get this. Shards would come up at random with fish, as would dark matter. Certain fishing spots also had catalysts for materia melding.

Added to that, fish could be "cracked" by alchemists and turned into shards and crystals. Fish were way more useful back then.

If it was posible to eat them raw, that would also be at least a bit beneficial. Now I dont know exactly which fish to toss and which fish to keep on me for cooking, leves, and trade ins.

Some fish have interesting "flavor" text though ..... Eunuch Grayfish anyone? them poor lalas .... or ... why are they pointing their .. you know what .. at a Grayfishes pincesrs?

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Originally Posted by Kimikryo

If it was posible to eat them raw, that would also be at least a bit beneficial. Now I dont know exactly which fish to toss and which fish to keep on me for cooking, leves, and trade ins.

Some fish have interesting "flavor" text though ..... Eunuch Grayfish anyone? them poor lalas .... or ... why are they pointing their .. you know what .. at a Grayfishes pincesrs?

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Used to be able to eat fish raw xD.

I'm absolutely loving that all of these suggestions by you folks with 2013 join dates are suggesting all the stuff fishing used to have. Even new players know that fishing is lacking, and even though the old system was boring, it was better than what we have now.

I did not know you could eat raw fish in 1.0 --- or I never did because fishing made my head hurt back than ... well Spearfishing was fun though

I personally like fishing the way it is, I haven't played 1.0 so I wouldn't know what that feels like. But at the moment I enjoy the simplicity of fishing, and once the so called challenges are implemented in 2.2, I think it will spice it up a little bit.

No I dont think fishing match other DOL classes.
Even if we are not talking about Fishing can not determine the yield you want, the amount of baits to lug around is annoying and can takes up to 2 inventory pages.
So what about other DOH class ?
Miner = Your pick axe and offhand tool you are good to go anywhere to mine
Botanist = Your sickle and offhand tool and you are good to go for harvest
Fisher = Unless you know are only going to 1 fishing spot, Lake Tahtotl, maybe 1-3 stacks of bait will be good enough.

Fisher need to replenish baits and still pay repair fees like other 2 DOL classes.
The fishes caught does not worth much in markets........ I really dont see much balance at all unless perhaps give Fisher a tackle box to reduce inventory space.
Increase fish default selling price to offset the consumables Fisher need to purchase =p

We need a Bait tab like how we have a Crystal tab.

I can get down with people liking it to be simple... but this' no more than a one-click procedure; I think we could find an easy compromise.

Yeah, a bait or tacklebox is a must.

When I'm out and about doing other stuff I might not even be thinking of fishing at first. But then I end up near water and think I'll do a little fishing. Well carrying all the baits is a nightmare. Some told me at higher levels you don't need the lower ones.

But if you decide you want to get a certain type of fish/coral, there are certain baits that are the best, the higher level baits just bring other things in.

Even the level one ocean bait lugworms has it's uses at much higher levels. Wanna catch Silver Sharks? One of the best places is Cape Westwind (time of day maybe important). The only low level fish there that take that bait are goby. Get an hq goby and mooch. You then you either get a Sliver Shark or a Wahoo.

I don't necessarily go out just to fish at a certain spot, I like to roam and not be restricted to carrying a small subset of bait some I how room for stuff I catch. But carrying all of it takes up almost an entire precious page of inventory lol.

Other times I need specific fish/coral for crafting. I do plant that ahead of time and can limit the bait I carry for those circumstances...

Some of the fish are pure junk, others can be mooched if for something else if they are hq. Best think to do is if you weren't forced to discard them, just sell them to an NPC for a meager amount.

GP isn't used by fishers, at least not yet. But they have it. Hopefully in the future it will have some use that adds a little more depth fishing.

I'm not a lvl 50 fisher yet, but I crafted all my lvl 50 gear ahead of time. Nome of it has GP added, except the gloves which add three. Probably an accident lol.

Keep fishing the same way it is now

Just need a tackle box to hold all the bait and lures separate from the inventory i can't and don't even really fish anymore (also Lv50) with not much space left! and maybe fishing basket to hold fish cause you do get lots of useless fish that isn't even used for anything so you have toss or npc them

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Originally Posted by Gesser

Off-hand Reels (different looks, actually display on the rod)

Cast

Control Depth - Drop Line/Reel Back?

Depth Meter (different fish based on depth)

Set the Hook - Weak/Strong?

Tension Meter (manipulate drag to keep the fish hooked)

Increase/Decrease Drag

Respond to Tugs (sound cues prompting when to pause/reel)

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*looks at 1.0 gathering classes* *looks back at 2.0 gathering classes* b-but that would require us to... actually do something! D:




(I support anything that would make gathering classes less braindead than they are ( - . - ;)

Apparently i'm the only one who likes fishing as it currently is. I certainly dont want the overly elaborate things of 1.0 back. I fish for relaxation, and it truly is relaxing. Just chatting with friends or your FC, watching the scenery and reeling in when you hook something.

I dont want to have to fight something with 4-5 diffirent mechanics for a minute just to reel something in. I dont want to think of anything even. Just relax and fish.

The ONLY improvement fishing could use is having more than 20 out of the 200 available fish have any use. Most of them could potentially show up in a GC turn-in one day, but who cares about that. More recipes, more uses for them. Heck, bring back fish cutting from XI to find gil and items inside of them.

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Originally Posted by LlenCoram

Used to be able to eat fish raw xD.

I'm absolutely loving that all of these suggestions by you folks with 2013 join dates are suggesting all the stuff fishing used to have. Even new players know that fishing is lacking, and even though the old system was boring, it was better than what we have now.

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Just because some of us never used the OF back during 1.0 doesn't mean we never played it =\

Although I know you're aiming it at people that didn't play 1.0, hence the join dates, but still it's kinda vague and we all don't fit that boat =\

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Originally Posted by Gesser

Off-hand Reels (different looks, actually display on the rod)

Cast

Control Depth - Drop Line/Reel Back?

Depth Meter (different fish based on depth)

Set the Hook - Weak/Strong?

Tension Meter (manipulate drag to keep the fish hooked)

Increase/Decrease Drag

Respond to Tugs (sound cues prompting when to pause/reel)


It could be a bit more like Crafting in that you could have a Distance measure (opposite to progress, when a fish hooks you want to reel it back in…it’ll fight you increasing distance away, if it reaches max you lose the fish)… and utilize techniques to help your odds of baiting HQ fish (chum, drift, jig, troll, & etc… perhaps differentiate it from crafting in that you couldn’t 100% HQ, maybe cap at 50% with the remaining 50% left to chance).

As it is currently, FSHing is pretty lame... there's a ton of potential currently built into the game to make FSHing amazing & honestly... it wouldn't be too difficult. I just handed you the tools, now: make a few reel-models/icons, create a few simple abilities plus their animations, a couple UI elements, & you're done.

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SE, Bring it all back!

I think the changes you have added would take away from "Kick back and Fish" style that FSHing currently embodies. As a player that hit 50 FSHing before I got 50 WAR I can tell you that the FSHing mechanic is perfect for what FSHing actually provides.A small steady income off from 5 different fish. If the mechanic was any more time consuming then it currently is we will make like 10 gill and hour. I like the 1 button "oh snap I got something" simpleness that FSHing offers is not like anything else in the game. The fishing holes in Eorzea are beautiful and with all that fiddling around you have suggested it would be next to impossible to chat or enjoy the landscapes and day-night changes in each spot. "The Burning Wall" after a rainy night when the sun rises...sigh it's great. After all this isn't "Pro Bass Fishing" don't most normal people just grab some worms and go sit next to some water and fish?

I think if changes are to be made they should be

*Offhand = Net
*New Ability "Cast Net 1,2,3" each yielding more fish for a higher GP cost
*Narrow down the amount of fish that can be obtained at each fishing hole making better use of the Bait/Time of day/ Weather mechanic
*Fish Basket/Tackle Box inventory tab
*Mooch should allow you to use a fish from your inventory(GP Cost)
*Double Mooch should work like Mooch currently does
*Add more uses for fish I.E. Daily Supply Missions from the FSH Company, tournaments, recipes, Wall Trophies (House Item requiring 100 of that fish).

I just wish they'd throw in catching mobs/mini bosses like in FFXI. Some of the funest times I've ever had in ANY game was on the ship. "Hey what are you doing? Don't fish here"....screams and yells, people dieing from a giant sea monster. I'd hide in the ships hold and peek out to watch people fighting this creature. Just awesome!!!

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Originally Posted by Rage_Maiketh

I think if changes are to be made they should be

*Offhand = Net
*New Ability "Cast Net 1,2,3" each yielding more fish for a higher GP cost
*Narrow down the amount of fish that can be obtained at each fishing hole making better use of the Bait/Time of day/ Weather mechanic
*Fish Basket/Tackle Box inventory tab
*Mooch should allow you to use a fish from your inventory(GP Cost)
*Double Mooch should work like Mooch currently does
*Add more uses for fish I.E. Daily Supply Missions from the FSH Company, tournaments, recipes, Wall Trophies (House Item requiring 100 of that fish).

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*offhand: Can of Beer
*new ability: turn off cell phone
*new ability: take nap

now its more like real life fishing

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Originally Posted by Rage_Maiketh

I think if changes are to be made they should be

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I'd be okay with this... also, I mean, it doesn't have to be ALL of the new mechanics I listed, my goal is ultimately just a slight bit more interaction. The kick-back nature of it I do enjoy, and I am rather addicted to it... however it's frustrating to me I can't "fight" to bring the fish in... if I could have one thing, it'd be the ability to pull the fish in myself through a little more than a single-button.

Too much and it would take away what's enjoyable for many about FSHing (kick-back with a beer, put on Brooklyn 99, & click away)... this is true.

And maybe it only applies to harder, heavier catches--that I could get down with too.

These suggestions of yours are pretty great as they stand though.

Personally, I disagree with people who say that it should remain completely mindless. My problem with the absolutely mindless, one-button click method is that it's dead boring. I guess it works great for people who don't actually fish that much in game, but in 1.0 (where we could choose to start as any class, gatherer or crafter included) I started as a fisher. It's what I did throughout all of 1.0 to the detriment of everything else, to the point where it took me a year and a half just to get my first combat class to 50. That's playing every single day as well.

I got 50 long before they got rid of Grades 6 to 10 spots, I got my luminary rod in a fairly short amount of time (I was the first fisher I knew who had it in server, save for one person who admitted to being a bot so it doesn't count), and now that we're in 2.0, I've caught at least one of every fish and have just under 30,000 fish caught according to my fish guide.

I fish a lot.

For people who do it as a pastime, who actually do exactly what Yoshi expects of you and fishes in between doing "real game" stuff, sure, a mindless route is fine. For us fishers from 1.0 who actually want some interactivity when we're playing a videogame, it's not enough. If I wanted to "converse with nature," I'd go outside. As it is, I don't need something in game to kick back and relax with; the game is already my way of kicking back and relaxing. I don't want to do "real game" stuff, I want to fish. Right now, how mindless the system is actually stops me from it. I don't fish in between doing things, I do "real game" stuff in between fishing. I will purposely refuse doing dungeons of any sort if I have fish to catch.

Also, before anyone tells me I'm playing the wrong game, keep in mind this is an RPG, and in 1.xx it was perfectly valid to play as you want. If you expect me to fight only, I suggest you're playing the wrong game and might want to try out one of the Dynasty Warrior titles. Since this is an RPG, I get to choose what role I want to play, and I choose to fish.

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Originally Posted by LlenCoram

-before anyone tells me I'm playing the wrong game, keep in mind this is an RPG, and in 1.xx it was perfectly valid to play as you want. If you expect me to fight only, I suggest you're playing the wrong game and might want to try out one of the Dynasty Warrior titles. Since this is an RPG, I get to choose what role I want to play, and I choose to fish.

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Well said, that's exactly how I imagine MMORPGS are meant to be, but instead we now have the mainstream, gotta-go-fast, zombie MMOs that don't challenge or make you think at all.

I am so tired of the same game with a new coat of paint and I am equally tired with the people who believe everyone should like what they like and if they don't, then go play something else that doesn't exist anymore because everything is made exactly the same now. *sigh*

I miss the MMO days where I could just pick up a game and play it the way I wanted to, even when some of those MMOs were extremely restrictive in how you could play them, Phantasy Star Online as an example.

I originally enjoyed fishing and still kinda do. It was nice to be able to go to these certain zones after spending hrs level grinding and to relax and fish. I would fish while listening to music and reading on my tab.

Eventually I realized it was a complete waste of time and it was more profitable and productive to just farm snurbles, raptors, apkallu, etc.

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Originally Posted by myahele

I originally enjoyed fishing and still kinda do. It was nice to be able to go to these certain zones after spending hrs level grinding and to relax and fish. I would fish while listening to music and reading on my tab.

Eventually I realized it was a complete waste of time and it was more profitable and productive to just farm snurbles, raptors, apkallu, etc.

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I could handle the monotony, I could handle the 'lazy' aspect of FSHing... what I can't handle is how unviable it is.

I would much prefer if there were even the slightest level of skill involved, but I could settle for viability.

Lotsa talk about Fishing lately, personally my favorite suggestions here.

I'm a big fan of Breath of Fire. What does that have to do with this topic? Simple: the second, third, and fourth Breath of Fire games (And maybe the fifth, but as far as I'm concerned that one doesn't exist) had very good Fishing mini-games. Each one got to be more complex than the previous, with various types of rods, baits, distances you could cast to, depths you could catch Fish at, and even a couple special catches, if you used a special type of bait. Furthermore, just about every single type of fish you could catch had a use, ranging from healing items to battle items, and some of them were even on-par with end-game items that were in very limited supply.

If SE were ever to make Fishing something that might actually be on-par with Botany and Mining as even moderately enjoyable, they need to do two things: One, they need to make fishing more in-depth, like the BoF fishing mini-game was, and Two, they need to give some actual uses for a lot of these fish besides maybe being able to turn them in to Levequests and GC Provisioning Missions. For example, we could always use more Culinarian recipes, and maybe we could get an Alchemist recipe for Cordials that requires some currently-useless fish?

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Originally Posted by DarkStar

I'm a big fan of Breath of Fire. What does that have to do with this topic? Simple: the second, third, and fourth Breath of Fire games (And maybe the fifth, but as far as I'm concerned that one doesn't exist) had very good Fishing mini-games. Each one got to be more complex than the previous, with various types of rods, baits, distances you could cast to, depths you could catch Fish at, and even a couple special catches, if you used a special type of bait. Furthermore, just about every single type of fish you could catch had a use, ranging from healing items to battle items, and some of them were even on-par with end-game items that were in very limited supply.

If SE were ever to make Fishing something that might actually be on-par with Botany and Mining as even moderately enjoyable, they need to do two things: One, they need to make fishing more in-depth, like the BoF fishing mini-game was, and Two, they need to give some actual uses for a lot of these fish besides maybe being able to turn them in to Levequests and GC Provisioning Missions. For example, we could always use more Culinarian recipes, and maybe we could get an Alchemist recipe for Cordials that requires some currently-useless fish?

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In 1.0, fishing required you choose your bait and your depth, and the minigame was a really simplified "fight the fish" system. The fish themselves were used in both CUL and ALC recipes for food and for breaking them into both shards and crystals. While fishing you would and could catch all types of elemental shards at random, as well as all dark matter of a certain grade depending on the level of the fishing spot or node you were at. Originally, the three gathering classes could each catch four types of materia catalysts as well, with some being harder to catch than others.

So basically, ARR's fishing took a step backwards. I'm not saying 1.0's was incredible or even on par with what you're suggesting, but it was closer to your suggestion than we are now.

XI fishing > 1.0 fishing

I wouldn't want that menu suffle of 1.0 back but I would want them to add actual gameplay to fishing. The way it is makes it not only useless but not fun.