I want Wyverns back!!

I have just returned to final fantasy now that I have a playstation(my laptop couldnt handle ff14 well). I had been a ff11 player since release month. And my biggest problem so far is the lack of wyverns for the Dragoon. We can have a battle chocobo but no Wyvern? ludicrous! will we ever get them? and if so how soon? if it is a delay tactic to bring players back into the game that left well knock it off! it's annoying.

90% of DRGs do have trouble playing the job efficiently more than any other job in the game, at least on my server. The positional requirement plus the usual anti melee AoE makes the job a bit difficult to play for most players, yet it is the most popular job.

You add a pet that they need to manage and I guarantee loldrg won't be a joke any more and it would be general trend in FFXIV. If you think "No melee" in PF was bad, wait until "no scrub loldrg".

I honestly don't care how good any DRG here on the forums think they are, the general DRG players base are terrible, to the point they invoke suicide tendency on other players.

This is not FFXI. There has been no mention of dragoon ever being able to use wyverns in any way shape or form in any live letter or press release. Most dragoons are bad enough without micromanaging a pet, they would not know what to do with life if they got more buttons to deal with. Leave them out, or make them mounts.

Exactly. DRG in FFXI was less traditional DRG skill (ala Jump skills) and more just a pseudo-pet Job revolving entirely around the wyvern and how it's AI functioned.

Besides, controlling a wyvern in XIV just wouldn't work, due to the game's lore stating dragons are entirely evil. DRGs are the elite cavalry troops of Ishgard who have been long at war with the dragons and regard anyone who has the slightest alliance with them as heathens. Hence, no wyvern pet for you I'm afraid.

As a main drg and someone who hates pet classes...........please no....our rotation is already very tough to nail well ala lv 50.....I understand you miss it, but I truly don't want or need one.

You may understand better when you get to the point your trying to keep your debuff/buff up and dodging AEs near constantly, it just wouldn't be practical.

My wife mains a sch, and without positional requirements for her skills and being out of AE range often, on some of the harder fights she still ocassionally will lose her fairy to an AE, not being quick enough to move her.

Drgs would not be able to manage a pet.

Seems impractical, all things considered.

Sorry.

No thank you, wyverns can root in hell.

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Originally Posted by NeoAmon

90% of DRGs do have trouble playing the job efficiently more than any other job in the game, at least on my server. The positional requirement plus the usual anti melee AoE makes the job a bit difficult to play for most players, yet it is the most popular job.

You add a pet that they need to manage and I guarantee loldrg won't be a joke any more and it would be general trend in FFXIV. If you think "No melee" in PF was bad, wait until "no scrub loldrg".

I honestly don't care how good any DRG here on the forums think they are, the general DRG players base are terrible, to the point they invoke suicide tendency on other players.

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Good thing I am the 1% top DRG bad@ss. Other classes don't seem as much fun. To answer the OPs question , wyverns would be cool but hard to manage. This class too hard for others already. I see it all the time. I teach no one listens. This is my only class I fight with and no alts. ilvl90 here just achieved it yesterday.

Nope. Nope. Nope.


Upon further review, NOPE.

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I honestly don't care how good any DRG here on the forums think they are, the general DRG players base are terrible, to the point they invoke suicide tendency on other players.

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COOL STORY, BRO. SHOW US ON THE DOLL WHERE THE DRG OUT-DPS'd YOU.

**** wyverns. Wyverns are a random insertion into the lore and class concept from FF11 that can thankfully be forgotten. Dragoons never had wyverns before FF11 and don't need wyverns after.

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Besides, controlling a wyvern in XIV just wouldn't work, due to the game's lore stating dragons are entirely evil.

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Only part I disagree with. As you stated Ishgard is at war with the dragons. Their mouths are also where the majority of the lore comes from. From the dragons perspective they are fighting off invaders from their homelands.

As far as wyvern companions that is not happening. YoshiP has already addressed this before arr was in beta. It see would gimp drgs damage to much to be effective.

*Ludicrous

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Besides, controlling a wyvern in XIV just wouldn't work, due to the game's lore stating dragons are entirely evil. DRGs are the elite cavalry troops of Ishgard who have been long at war with the dragons and regard anyone who has the slightest alliance with them as heathens.

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Ishgard says they're evil...but go do the whole DRG job quest line...I can see things changing drastically once the level cap is raised...

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Ishgard says they're evil...but go do the whole DRG job quest line...I can see things changing drastically once the level cap is raised...

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In regards to DRG story: I mentioned this to a few acquaintances in game and they thing I'm just "being illogically" optomistic. I think This:

Alberic: When that darkness brushed against me, the selfsame torrent of emotions swept over me as those I experienced twenty summers past.
But there was something else besides. There was a voice, and it lamented the rift that divides dragons and men.
You will come to comprehend what I speak in due time. Till then, I pray that you will ever use your newfound strength in the name of justice.

is where I got that "illogical" hope.

I have no desire to control a pet as a dragoon, just like I have no desire to play a scholar or summoner.

I wouldn't mind a wyvern mount for dragoons, though.

WHat the hell are you all talking about?!! first off having a tough rotation? freaking whiney cry baby, geez have none of you ever played any other rpgmmo?!!! holy crap drg rotation is cake compared to some of the other games I play, mainly bc pvp requires you to think on the fly while completing rotations that you have to switch up all the time... and micro managing a pet? for fcks sake they made it so it coincides with the drgs abilities in ff11, how would that be hard to copy? I'm beginning to think coming back to ff was a mistake after reading all of your responses. you must almost all suck terribly lol. And to be perfectly honest I see DRG as having a ton of utility. meaning well suited for multiple scenarios if played right

I enjoyed DRG in FFXI also, but in this game dragoons kill dragons (and thus, wyverns). That is the reason for the job's existence.

We already told you, we dont' want a wyvern. If you want a pet job play summoner.

Dragon may not have a pet but who every said that they can't have a second job with wyvern? I know what most people going to say that would just make dragon useless and i'm sure that would happen even if they add a job without a pet. I Played enough mmo long to learn that sometime you have to play something else to do stuff you enjoy in a mmo.. The story allow it in 1.0 the Dragon job quest had a dude summon his own pet They could also come up with stuff because tbh they been doing that for months now lol.. So they could make a job base on lore of a Lancer mastering his skill to gain trust and get a wyvern on his/her side. There also bad and good in about every Beast Tribes so why can't they be wyverns and dragons that are good?

The story support it and the game system support this. I guess a lot of people forget but the job system is like wow tree system. Lancer is the Class and the role is the job it's just like wow tree system. Yoshi-p said that class going to have more then 2 jobs at some point.pugilist can get puppetmaster and that already have a lot of support in the game there a lot of puppets. I also remember yoshi-p saying somewhere can't remember where that he may add a job that have a wyvern a pet but dragon itself wont every because it's part of the lore. So ya they could add a second job with a wyvern pet and please don't say you don't want this also because tbh it's not all about you. A lot of people want the dragon job itself to have a pet which i don't agree but i do agree on making other job for lancer i with a pet.

Also it could make for a awesome storyline one side kill them one side saves and befriends them. Think about it before complaining and and not wanting other to have what they want with you still keeping yours.

Can't believe no one thought about this i guess people have really forgot that job system is a wow tree spec.

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Lv37 LNC...

Yeah...none of the classes are hard at that level...

And no...DRG have only 2 things that can be considered "utility"; Stuns (Leg Sweep/Spineshatter Dive...only if you need stuns and the tank doesn't do it) and Disembowel (only if you have a BRD in party)...


Also, DRG traditionally JUMP, not have pets...

I could care less if they add another job that uses a wyvern, just leave Dragoon in peace and do not add a wyvern to it, I want my Dragoon to jump and deal damage and not to care for a pet.

A) Dragons are evil zomg: Wasn't the wyvern egg in 11 also gained from an evil dragon, but much like dobermans and pit bulls, its in how they are raised not their nature? I surely hope it was an evil dragon, cus we totally murder faced her, and that'd be jacked up if it wasn't evil.

B) Drg in 11 was only lol because they kileld TP generation when they nerfed mutli hit wepaonskills and never replaced the mechanic.

C) SE said they cant' do wyvern in 1.0 cus 1) code didn't support 2) would have to make drg hit for less.

^ Both of those issues have clearly been solved for SMN.

Solution: Do not change dragoon. Add a new Lancer job that gets the wyvern. This way the job gets a full set of skills to make a pet class work, and we get a new mele non-magic pet class, which is cool and kinda unique in MMOs. Everyone wins.

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If you mean add other job that use the pet on lancer then ya that what i like also and said in my post. But if you mean add a new class then it have to use something else that is not a polearm. Because in ffxiv world the wep is the class and people want to play a pet dragon job with a polearm.

Let the beast tamer class have a wyvern.

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C) SE said they cant' do wyvern in 1.0 cus 1) code didn't support 2) would have to make drg hit for less.

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They would still have to do the second. LNC hits much too hard to support a pet. LNC (the class) will crush individual SMN DPS by a good 25% (not counting Contagion, a pet ability which boosts the damage of the SMN itself). Additionally, melee DPS are heavily focused on mobility.

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Originally Posted by PiedPiper

Solution: Do not change dragoon. Add a new Lancer job that gets the wyvern.

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Again, Lancer is the problem here. First, you'd have two jobs associated with Ishgard under the exact same theme; and second, you'd have a movement-heavy job attempting to simultaneously control a pet (and seriously, if you think micromanagement isn't essential at endgame, you haven't played either ACN job yet). It's just not going to happen. More likely to get a pet as a melee are are a tank base job, like a MRD or GLA. MRD DPS is still a bit too high to support a pet, however. GLA is the one and only melee job at this time really capable of handling a pet.

Finally, you could not have the job accessible at all prior to completion of all Ishgard-related stories (necessarily ending in reconciliation with the Dravanian horde), because someone carrying a wyvern in Coerthas would be subject to immediate execution. Can you imagine how silly it would be with a wyvern in the execution quest, telling the NPC about someone who summoned a wyvern with your own flying over your shoulder?

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They would still have to do the second. LNC hits much too hard to support a pet. LNC (the class) will crush individual SMN DPS by a good 25% (not counting Contagion, a pet ability which boosts the damage of the SMN itself). Additionally, melee DPS are heavily focused on mobility.

Again, Lancer is the problem here. First, you'd have two jobs associated with Ishgard under the exact same theme; and second, you'd have a movement-heavy job attempting to simultaneously control a pet (and seriously, if you think micromanagement isn't essential at endgame, you haven't played either ACN job yet). It's just not going to happen. More likely to get a pet as a melee are are a tank base job, like a MRD or GLA. MRD DPS is still a bit too high to support a pet, however. GLA is the one and only melee job at this time really capable of handling a pet.

Finally, you could not have the job accessible at all prior to completion of all Ishgard-related stories (necessarily ending in reconciliation with the Dravanian horde), because someone carrying a wyvern in Coerthas would be subject to immediate execution. Can you imagine how silly it would be with a wyvern in the execution quest, telling the NPC about someone who summoned a wyvern with your own flying over your shoulder?

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So, A) I understand endgame. I've cleared turn 5 to bro. To be frank, Pet based abilities would probably be similar to what we see on SMN atm (Either buffs to make the pet hit for more, pet ultimate attack, or pet moves that modify your moves). These abilities would likely just fit in new places in the basic lancer rotaion and not themselves be positioned based, thus not really impacting the position play. Just sort of logistically, why would it matter which side of the mob I'm on when I give my pet a verbal command? Revisit this later. Also, as for micromanagement... I mean I've got schi88 and I've done all content on it as well. So.. yeah I feel you but I think you are overestimating the challenge.

B) Reducing base damage isn't a problem and doesn't pose a threat to current lnc/drg play. Its totally okay to make its so our WyvernGoon receives a sort of stance buff when it calls the pet. Ex: Summon Wyvern: Calls forth your wtfamazeballs friend, reduces personal damage X%. There is no problem here. When I stated that they had "solved" this issue for 2.0 I simply meant that Summoner on its own does less damage than a black mage, but when summoner uses its pet, together smn + garuda egi = (approximately) a blm's damage. Point here being: SE has clearly learned how to balance pet and master over all damage to be commiserate with other classes.

C) MRD and GLD dps are actually pretty close to each other (both classes have nearly the same possible enmity generation)... so yeah there's that. I'm full i90 both classes, tanked every fight in the game on both. That said, I've no idea how a pet-tank class would work, but could be cool.

D) I don't see how the story is a problem. YP and SE have said they want to expand the current armory system and deepen it, adding at least two jobs for every class, and even adding "advanced" jobs that need to be unlocked via quests or meeting multiple level requirements (such as both cnj and thm 30 for rdm). So sure, make the person have finished that part of the story line. Cool. Problem solved. Fluff is never an insurmountable barrier preventing content. That's the nifty thing about fiction writing, you just write more fiction to solve these problems.

E) The real issue isn't so much balancing the class or what have you, its having a reason to add it in the first place other than "we miss the pretty dragon give us fan service." Cus if all they did was reduce personal damage and make the wyvern make up that difference so you were just a different dragoon who got part of its damage from AI... there'd kind of be no point. The player would hit the same buttons, do the same things, just see wyvern animations along side them. It would be pretty trivial for SE to just code the wyvern to do X dps, and reduce potency on the weaponskills of the lancer by that same amount of an ideal or near ideal rotation. So.... lets talk about what sort of role it would need to fill, other than just staby staby.

E-1) At present, there isn't a very interesting buff/debuff meta game. Protect, adlo, stoneskin, damage over time.... sure some reduced healing received but that's almost entirely irrelevant in PVE. Lethargy and the other slow walk effects are nifty in turn 5 dreds.. but again pretty trivial elsewhere. If, however, WyvernGoon was made into a sort of mele-synergist/saboteur that perhaps used some sort of charge system (like warrior's wrath) to command the wyvern to use various breath magics, we could get a very interesting class. Completing the third step of a combo builds a charge, maybe 3 charges needed per WyvernSpellBreathShiny (or maybe only two, let SE balance that). Charge awarded regardless of positioning as long as the combo finsihes (of course, CT still has to be started from the back). This would heavily reduce the importance of moving for the WyvernGoon (Could just post up behind, sacrifice HT and build charges since they ahve reduced damage as is). Better players will have room to get more out of the class (continuing to move while managing the pet, but the focus of pet management requires only being behind)--and every class does and should have some room like this for better players to get more.

E-2) As to actual pet abilities, I mean... depends on what else SE is planning on doing. Maybe breath attacks enchant the target so that anyone striking the target receives the buff (Zephyr Breath: Players attacking the target receive a skill and spell speed buff for what ever amount and time is balanced, comparable to selene but buffs both, though obviously won't always affect healers). Or, could go with a battle pace theme, giving the Wyvern a slow debuff that can be applied (Not actually that unheard of since in 11 drg did end up getting power surge which granted a sort of haste) to enemies, with about the same total effect as ROH or Storms now. Maybe an HP or TP drain (TP would be really interesting). Could be a way to finally give us the en-fire we saw in the 1.0 trailer.

To be honest, it doesn't really matter what they ultimately add as the buff/debuff effects, just as long as they impact the group enough to keep the class viable. A spirit-link style move to maintain the pet and some basic placement commands will be enough. (perhaps something as simple as telling it to attack from front, attack from behind, attack from side, since it'll be mele like the wyvergoon rather than the full place that acn has).

TL; DR: Make WyvernGoon a support class, rather than a straight up DPS like Dragoon, and pretty much all problems solved. You can justify throttling the damage while still contributing to the group, makes it feel different from just dragoon, doesn't step on dragoon's toes, and adds diversity to our current play experience. Have the support moves tied to the pet and successful comboing and the increase in micromanagement relative to dragoon will be pretty small. (You'll have far fewer off gcd abilities and can spend that time ordering your pet).

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If you mean add other job that use the pet on lancer then ya that what i like also and said in my post. But if you mean add a new class then it have to use something else that is not a polearm. Because in ffxiv world the wep is the class and people want to play a pet dragon job with a polearm.

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I said add a new lancer job. Not sure where the confusion is. Let me be clear: This would be a second soul crystal equipped by the lancer class, just like SCH and SMN

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Originally Posted by PArcher

Lv37 LNC...

Yeah...none of the classes are hard at that level...

And no...DRG have only 2 things that can be considered "utility"; Stuns (Leg Sweep/Spineshatter Dive...only if you need stuns and the tank doesn't do it) and Disembowel (only if you have a BRD in party)...


Also, DRG traditionally JUMP, not have pets...

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Dont be so retarded... dont you think that I already looked up rotation and seen the 24 button cycle? found the off cycles and checked stat priorities, mat builds? if you check my original post it says that I have been playing these games for over 14 years... pretty sure I know wtf I'm talking about, thx.

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We already told you, we dont' want a wyvern. If you want a pet job play summoner.

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"we already told you"? who is we? you and a small handfull of trololo? gtfo, go waste someone else's thread's space, thx

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Dont be so retarded... dont you think that I already looked up rotation and seen the 24 button cycle? found the off cycles and checked stat priorities, mat builds? if you check my original post it says that I have been playing these games for over 14 years... pretty sure I know wtf I'm talking about, thx.

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Yep...no experience in this game, but you've played other RPGs/MMOs before so you're an expert.

Just because I've been playing FPSs for over 20 years doesn't mean I'm the best person out there and will dominate every match I'm in


EDIT: also, saying you looked up a guide so you're an expert is still silly...how many people have watched Titan EX/Turn 5 vids yet can't clear them?

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MRD and GLD dps are actually pretty close to each other (both classes have nearly the same possible enmity generation)... so yeah there's that. I'm full i90 both classes, tanked every fight in the game on both. That said, I've no idea how a pet-tank class would work, but could be cool.

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Will get back to more of this later, but just wanted to point you're considering PLD versus WAR, which is entirely different than GLA vs. MRD. PLD gets two big DPS boosts in Sword Oath and Spirits Within plus a lower reduction on Shield Oath. For just GLA, though, your damage rate is 203.33 per GCD + CoS (10.0 potency per second) + autoattacks (about 100 potency per 3 seconds). For WAR, you get 213.85 per GCDs (SE/BB/SE/BB/F) + autoattacks + buffs that amount to a 33% boost. MRD also has higher STR than GLA, and ultimately produces about 25-30% higher DPS.

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Will get back to more of this later, but just wanted to point you're considering PLD versus WAR, which is entirely different than GLA vs. MRD. PLD gets two big DPS boosts in Sword Oath and Spirits Within plus a lower reduction on Shield Oath. For just GLA, though, your damage rate is 203.33 per GCD + CoS (10.0 potency per second) + autoattacks (about 100 potency per 3 seconds). For WAR, you get 213.85 per GCDs (SE/BB/SE/BB/F) + autoattacks + buffs that amount to a 33% boost. MRD also has higher STR than GLA, and ultimately produces about 25-30% higher DPS.

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I'll concede this, but still think it's pretty irrelevant. Any worries about any class doing too much damage on its own to support a pet is easily solved by having the pet call debuff the player's damage. Since defiance and shield oath both already do this, clearly SE can manage such a buff.

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To be frank, Pet based abilities would probably be similar to what we see on SMN atm (Either buffs to make the pet hit for more, pet ultimate attack, or pet moves that modify your moves). These abilities would likely just fit in new places in the basic lancer rotaion and not themselves be positioned based, thus not really impacting the position play.

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That's missing the point. Let's say I'm fighting something easy like Acheron. HT-ID-D-CT-P-FTC-HT-FTC-P-oh shit my pet is dead, when did that happen? Well, I'll now sit for the next 10 seconds doing nothing so I can re-summon it. In most encounters, you're also doing no damage while you run out of the death zone that constantly strikes melee DPS. KB? Dead from Burns, now recast your summon. You even can't see your pet all the time because you're running in circles around a boss.When you move to avoid yet another melee instant death attack, your pet can't be told to Heel as it just gets hit when it follows behind you (every melee knows the feeling when trying to get your chocobro to avoid Bad Breath). When you're far away using instant long-range attacks from a static position, movement is comparatively easy, and it's still one of the most frustrating thing about playing ACN. You can't zoom out to see or direct your pet when you're playing LNC. Your camera facing affects your character facing regardless of what camera scheme you choose, and you have to face your target to attack. It is not where your pet is that matters, it's where you are.

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B) Reducing base damage isn't a problem

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ACN was designed from the ground up to be a pet class. It features utility slots like Physick and Sustain for keeping pet alive as well as DoTs and instant-cast abilities to maintain maximum control over pet in combat. SMN is the single least-interactive job from a play standpoint, and once you get your DoTs up, doing nothing at all means you're still staring at 60% of your DPS. This again facilitates pet manipulation. LNC is not built this way. LNC can't heal, or cast, or swiftcast, or Sustain or Rouse or do anything at all which supports the existence of a pet. Adding these abilities would disturb the ability of the LNC to actually accomplish the class rotation at all. The harder the content, the more the Lancer-Summoner's rotation suffers even in the best case. It's not just enough to say "OK, class gets -20% damage, pet makes up the difference"; your pet does not maintain itself.

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That said, I've no idea how a pet-tank class would work, but could be cool.

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Never happening. UI would have to be altered to even start. Would be insanely overpowered against AoE opponents like Titan HM due to AoE reduction. Generally a disaster to play due to movement-heavy nature of combat. Proper positioning becomes a monster pain. Mechanics unrelated to tanking suddenly affect tank survival (e.g. gaol w/ granite coffin eats you, and your tank is gone, plus twice the resummon time). Opens up the ability to troll bosses with sacrificial lambs -- use repeated resummonings as sacrifices to the opponent and eat attacks which are meant to wipe the raid. The most cursory glance at the concept tells you that the entirety of SE's staff would have to be hit with a disease that turns them into drooling idiots to even consider it.

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D) I don't see how the story is a problem. YP and SE have said they want to expand the current armory system and deepen it, adding at least two jobs for every class, and even adding "advanced" jobs that need to be unlocked via quests or meeting multiple level requirements

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First, he said that about things he'd do if he didn't need to care about balance. Second, all jobs are unlocked via quests with multiple level requirements already. Quite the opposite; we're talking about something that is fundamentally impossible to have in a space in the game. Once you have this job, you must completed all side quests, the team can no longer create side quests in that area, and you can not even enter the area shared by people who have not already completed the questline and all related sidequests.

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The real issue isn't so much balancing the class or what have you, its having a reason to add it in the first place other than "we miss the pretty dragon give us fan service."

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The game has fanservice everywhere. Fanservice is as good a reason as any to have something in the game. As much as I loathe FF11, there's no shortage of FF11 fanservice as well here as well. Balance, lore, and design are the very reasons you choose to use one fanservice option over another. Yoshi-P suggested RDM as a hyper-class made from CNJ and THM, but he's not doing it expressly because it wouldn't be balanced. It's still fanservice, and Yoshi still wants it in the game, but it won't be made like that. Mechanically, a melee DPS would need to be hyper-simplified to support the simultaneous use of a pet. This applies to any potential Beastmaster/Trainer job as well. So yeah, pretty much just GLA, cross ACN, replace now-useless tank abilities with pet ones.

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So.... lets talk about what sort of role it would need to fill, other than just staby staby.

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There is no support (buffer/debuffer) role, nor will there ever be. Unbalanceable. BRD is as close to a buffer/debuffer job you'll get, and it's still essential in 8-player content when it only has three songs to use (MP, TP and magic damage buff). If I come in as a buffer that gives my party a 10% DPS buff, then I need to be about 1/3 of a DPS in order to be balanced. That would make me worthless in solo and 4-player content. Even with short-duration stuff, it's really easy to completely ruin balance.

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Could be a way to finally give us the en-fire we saw in the 1.0 trailer.

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En-spells are just flavor for damage buffs. There's no functional reason to bother making them because there's no elemental wheel.

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"we already told you"? who is we? you and a small handfull of trololo? gtfo, go waste someone else's thread's space, thx

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But if "trololos" "gtfo'ed" and wasted someone else's thread space, this thread wouldn't get any bumps. >w>

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Ishgard military is made up of Dragoons this is true and you come up with good points. But like any city they could be people within ishgard that no longer believe in killing dragoons they find and build there own small city and a new job is born. One that no longer kills them but befriends and learn how to fight along side them. You think that SE can't come up with some bull why this happens? When this happen in a lot of faction where more then one new faction is born from the old.

Also you keep talking about how you have a movement heavy job attempting to simultaneously control a pet. I don't think that a issue at all the pet could do it's own thing for the most part. Could even be a new system where if you do different attacks your wyvern would do something. There many ways to fix the issue that does not even seem much of a issue. So from storyline and battle there really no issue adding a job that have a pet seem like something they could do but maybe not right now maybe in there 2 or even 3rd expansion. Like i said in my old post pugilist could also get puppetmaster which would end up being the same issue with dragoons. Both Puppetmaster and a new job that use a wyvern could come out together and have a very epic storyline and new mechanics too make it work.

All i'm saying it's not impossible it's just something that would take time and wont come out. Just like how yoshi-p said Red mage could be hard to add and would take sometime. I can care less if they don't add it but i just saying it would be a epic storyline of a new city being born from the old ways of ishgard.

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I have just returned to final fantasy now that I have a playstation(my laptop couldnt handle ff14 well). I had been a ff11 player since release month. And my biggest problem so far is the lack of wyverns for the Dragoon. We can have a battle chocobo but no Wyvern? ludicrous! will we ever get them? and if so how soon? if it is a delay tactic to bring players back into the game that left well knock it off! it's annoying.

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I get your point and even though I dislike the dragoon from ffxi, it was their own universe for Drg. I really don't want ffxiv to give Drg a pet wyvern but there's also minions, lol! Cross your fingers and ask Yoshi o'mighty to whip up a wyvern minion.

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Originally Posted by PSxpert2011

I get your point and even though I dislike the dragoon from ffxi, it was their own universe for Drg. I really don't want ffxiv to give Drg a pet wyvern but there's also minions, lol! Cross your fingers and ask Yoshi o'mighty to whip up a wyvern minion.

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If you read the post it pretty much change to wanting to have a second job with a pet. But it seem people still don't want that even tho they keep there job and just get something new. Even a fun storyline how a new job was born form the old way of ishgard in killing dragons to few leaving and learn how to friend along side with them. So much they can do with this second job with pet that could make ffxiv storyline more rich and fun.

I'm sorry but I'm all for the way jobs were structured in classic FF titles, and I hate to break it to you but Dragoons never had wyvern pets. In fact, ffxi was the only ff title that did. I never minded it, but at the same time I never agreed with it.

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Originally Posted by Kyoreore

I'm sorry but I'm all for the way jobs were structured in classic FF titles, and I hate to break it to you but Dragoons never had wyvern pets. In fact, ffxi was the only ff title that did. I never minded it, but at the same time I never agreed with it.

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Ya but they could just add a second job to lancer there no point is remaking DRG it's fine how they have it. Just add a second job with a new job stone and there we go we get a awesome new storyline on how this job learn to control wyverns and eveyone get what they want. I can care less but i just think for storyline i would enjoy seeing this happen.

[QUOTE=PArcher;1913263]Yep...no experience in this game, but you've played other RPGs/MMOs before so you're an expert.

Just because I've been playing FPSs for over 20 years doesn't mean I'm the best person out there and will dominate every match I'm in

EDIT: also, saying you looked up a guide so you're an expert is still silly...how many people have watched Titan EX/Turn 5 vids yet can't clear them?

First off I never claimed to be an expert after reading a guide, second off if you are trying to tell me that this game is so different that I wouldn't understand how rotations with buffs and debuffs which require timing work well you can stop right there. I know all I need to know about the game to make eduacated guesses and the only thing I don't know is the timing because I havent hit 50 yet. Big deal...