Titan Extreme Plumes

So I am a ilv 82 WHM playing on PS3, and I am having trouble avoiding the plumes. The Extreme version to be exact.

It seems like no matter how prepared I am for them to come, I still get hit and suffer the damage for it. I don't know if I'm doing anything wrong or if it's just lag, because I could be the first person out of the AoE and still be the only person to die from the attack.

Like I said, it doesn't matter how prepared I am for the incoming attack. I know the order in which they pop, and I'll even have sprint popped before the attack even begins; just to make sure I get out of the AoE. Unfortunately, I still get hit. It's so frustrating!

I've never had this issue before in any Titan fight, or any fight in general. But this fight, ARG!!

Basically at this point, I'm looking for advice on what I can do. Is this problem a bug in the game or just my bad luck?

Hi there, I also play on a PS3! The biggest improvement for me personally was to use a wired connection. When I first started learning Titan Ex, I was on wireless, which was a big mistake because even though it looked like I was out of plumes, I still got killed. Changing over to ethernet full wired connection has fixed this entirely. When I run out of plumes, I now know for a fact that I'm out and won't get killed. Same for landslides. Honestly, I don't think I could ever play this mode if I stayed on wireless.

sounds like delay, however you also have to move as soon as they appear so either strafe left or right, or change to legacy mode and just move left/right. either way you probably need something like battleping, wtffast, loweping to reduce the ping.

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Originally Posted by wildgalax

sounds like delay, however you also have to move as soon as they appear so either strafe left or right, or change to legacy mode and just move left/right. either way you probably need something like battleping, wtffast, loweping to reduce the ping.

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I'm not sure how they exactly work, but I don't think battleping, wtffast, or loweping will help on ps3.

My advice for avoiding plumes is to NOT stack as most people do. Instead stay a little behind the group. So if you are hit, it's not instant death. Basically you wanna make it so if you are hit it's only by one plume instead of four.

DBthaone thats a very good idea. If the OP can get into a group with friends, then he can hang in the back. There will be big problems on double plumes though. Theres not much room during that phase, with the sludge covering half the arena. OP Your the healer too, thats no bueno! If your co healer is really good, he could possibly solo after double plumes.

I used to play on ps3 with wireless connection in september. I was doing titan hm at the time and I got to a point where I could dodge everything. Titan ex the plume times are a bit faster I believe. I would strongly suggest finding a way to go hardwired. This may make a difference. It could just be your ISP though. Ps4 may make a slight difference as well, for the graphical lag aspect. All those little things could add up. But this is the reason I built my own pc months back. I knew it would be really difficult to beat T5 and fights like titan ex on ps3 wireless. Not impossible, but ps3 users are def at a disadvantage.

You also need to inform your party that you're going to do this as some people naturally run backwards instead of to the sides as most people do (I am guilty of it). It will save you from being needlessly blamed for a wipe for not stacking with everyone.

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

You also need to inform your party that you're going to do this as some people naturally run backwards instead of to the sides as most people do (I am guilty of it). It will save you from being needlessly blamed for a wipe for not stacking with everyone.

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This is very important! Thanks for pointing it out.

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Originally Posted by Vivi_Bushido

Thanks for the suggestions everyone!

And DBthaONE, I might need to try that.

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It's a fantastic idea just make sure your group is okay by it because after certain phases, it becomes no longer feasible. I was passed the same suggestion not long ago, then given tomatoes to my face for doing it pre-heart phase. Ironically, the same tomato throwing person liked to plant his plume next to the group's stack of plumes (he told me it kills people).

like wtfreally? /sodonewithtitan

I also find the titan EX plumes unforgiving. When either server/my latency is bad I can die from plumes even when I'm a full plume-distance away from it. And other times I think I'm going to die, I get away scott-free.

I hate HATE failing titan because of latency/lag. It feels like a cop-out even if it's true.

Plumes occur at very specific times in the rotation

Best thing to do is keep running it until you can predict them accurately, and then pre-dodge when they're coming.

I don't recommend staying away from everyone since you're almost certainly going to screw over people (yourself and/or others) in the double plume.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

Plumes occur at very specific times in the rotation

Best thing to do is keep running it until you can predict them accurately, and then pre-dodge when they're coming.

I don't recommend staying away from everyone since you're almost certainly going to screw over people (yourself and/or others) in the double plume.

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Uh, by running pre-emptively, you screw people over. Since you could move before they pop and misplace them, getting other people hit.

The problem is, Titan EX have literally NO room for mistake. Either you begin to dodge the exact millisecond it pops or you die. And even with that, there is no guarantee someone wasn't 2 piwels away from the group and screw everyone.

I started to dodge the plumes just after the animation of his auto attack, and so far (only have seen post heart for 3 seconds) it works a bit. I get 1 plume only when I get hit, and it seems the plumes aren't placed away from the party pack.

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

The problem is, Titan EX have literally NO room for mistake. Either you begin to dodge the exact millisecond it pops or you die. And even with that, there is no guarantee someone wasn't 2 piwels away from the group and screw everyone.

I started to dodge the plumes just after the animation of his auto attack, and so far (only have seen post heart for 3 seconds) it works a bit. I get 1 plume only when I get hit, and it seems the plumes aren't placed away from the party pack.

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You don't actually. I've moved late several times and not gotten hit.

sit 1 inch behind the stack, run south instead of west, even enough room for it on doubles

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Originally Posted by ispano

You don't actually. I've moved late several times and not gotten hit.

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so sad I can't record all the times I move before the plumes even appear on screen and still die from them...

Your playing with a GeForce 7800 and you wonder why you have problems?

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Originally Posted by Staris

Your playing with a GeForce 7800 and you wonder why you have problems?

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I wonder how many people blame lag but just have shit computers. I have 2 Mbps connection and I am located in Europe and have no lags as long as I am not watching Youtube or so.

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

so sad I can't record all the times I move before the plumes even appear on screen and still die from them...

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And I can record myself moving late and not getting hit, your point? I know it happens to people, and there are a couple of reasons it could happen. I've seen people playing from Australia dodge every single one without issue.

As healer i find a problem for me is casting when they spawn, if interrupted and ran immediately i still get hit.

Never cast something instant while dodging plumes or cast something when plumes is coming where you'll have to interrupt the cast to dodge plumes. It will register that you're still in the plumes even if you're far out of it. This really annoys me. I sometimes accidentally cast regen while moving to dodge plumes and I get hit and die somewhere pretty far away from the plumes. Other players say they saw me out of it. I've heard casting something immediately when you're out of the plumes can force it to register you outside the plumes if you want to be sure. But the key point is if you're doing nothing but moving during plumes you're guaranteed to dodge it.

For those whom has problem dodging Weight of Lands in Extreme Mode, have Titan on Focus target. The AOE animation appear shortly after Titan started casting Weight of Land. By watching his cast bar, you have better chance to dodge WoL.

I just anticipate the plumes. He always does them after a stomp, and I just count

Stomp Stomp Stomp Stomp 1 2 Plume (Count the 1 and 2 at the same speed of his stomps and you won't get hit)

It can be done on PS3. We have had healers on PS3 win that fight. But they do have to train extra hard.

The problem is you're a healer. Can't just scrap a healer off the floor like you can a dps. Such is life and titan. Just have to get really good at memorization. There are some tricks to it (such as knowing when to pre-sprint)

The fact still stems you're a healer. It's just triple-ly bad, because if you die, you're likely the cause of the wipe. One death is a weakness (with which you won't survive phases) and having no MP making you as good as dead even after a revive. Hard to recover from unlike a dps.

Nope, sorry, ps3 is not a limitation here. I play wirelessly on a stock ps3 and can dodge perfectly. I have dozens of clears as dps tank and healer. There is no combat role on any fight that a ps3 player can't excel at.

It is either your connection to the internet, or the connection between your brain and your hand (aka you're currently bad and need to improve.) there are guides for how to set up battle ping and the such to affect ps3 out there, I suggest googling them.

most ppl struggle cause they are watching the plume or landslide animation, but if u actually watch the casting bar from titan it gets pretty easy to dogde them. (action bar full and u are still at the edge of plumes = dead even if they explode after the bar is full)(u are out of plumes before action bar is full? gj u learned dodging them)

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Originally Posted by PiedPiper

Nope, sorry, ps3 is not a limitation here. I play wirelessly on a stock ps3 and can dodge perfectly. I have dozens of clears as dps tank and healer. There is no combat role on any fight that a ps3 player can't excel at.

It is either your connection to the internet, or the connection between your brain and your hand (aka you're currently bad and need to improve.) there are guides for how to set up battle ping and the such to affect ps3 out there, I suggest googling them.

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Wired connection PS3 with HD SSD runs as smooth as a PC almost. People need to stop using the ps3 as an excuse for their terrible playing.

Depending on how understanding your group is, you can also suggest the line-up method of dodging the plumes as opposed to the stacking method. If everyone stacks in a line behind Titan, they only have to move left or right to dodge their plumes. Though it may not matter since you're a WHM, but I find that dodging your own personal plume is much more easy to do and more forgiving if you don't dodge it. The stacked plumes OHKO almost everyone and I have a feeling that latency is seperate for each plume. Just observations from a really bad DF Titan EX run, but I have a feeling that everyone is handling the plumes incorrectly. LOL

I also play on a stock Slim PS3 on a wireless connection and have Titan on farm, so your set up shouldn't be what's holding you back. Though I DO suggest possibly resetting your internet connection beforehand just in case.

If you're playing with good latency - plumes and landslide dodging becomes a complete and absolute non-issue. Those people are the the ones saying Titan X is easy and galloping around cockily on their Nightmares.

Using WTFast in Australia and occasionally will lag spike and get clipped even when well clear, but otherwise more success than fail atm. Sorry PS3 users you aren't catered for in this regard :/
Those with not so good latency just have to do it tougher than the rest unfortunately. SE do not care about those players, they are just happy to take the money. It's your call in the end - keep trying or don't.
That being said, I would not like to see Titan X get nerfed like everything else has been for people who complain over every petty thing. Some level 50 dungeons are for toddlers now.
If somehow a latency fix could be applied by SE, then great.

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Originally Posted by PiedPiper

there are guides for how to set up battle ping and the such to affect ps3 out there, I suggest googling them.

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Sometimes I can't play on my PC and have to switch to PS3. I already did google around and found nothig to this. May you give an example link?

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Originally Posted by Grotesque

I wonder how many people blame lag but just have shit computers. I have 2 Mbps connection and I am located in Europe and have no lags as long as I am not watching Youtube or so.

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This. I know OP was on PS3 so there is not much they can do about hardware, but if your on PC and having trouble with plumes try turning your settings down to the absolute minimum and see if that helps. I run a 660 Ti and an i5 and have never ever had a problem with plumes at max, but I do know other people in my static lower there settings just for this one fight.

PS3 is not going to make or break Titan, but it does hurt. Anyone who has seen it run on PS3 will know it for truth.

It can be done, doesn't mean it's isn't harder then it should be.

The way plumes are designed is much more frustrating than fun.

In MMOs they have these things called awareness checks, to make sure you're paying attention and if not punish you.

But the extremely short timer on plumes makes it into a latency check here, checking if your connection is up to speed then taking you down if your connection isn't top notch. You can be aware of the plumes and pretty much make it out but still get knicked for not passing the latency check here.

Its frustrating when it happens to me, its frustrating when I watch someone else die and their body isn't anywhere near the stack. And its not necessarily the players fault being the worst part, punishing players for mistakes they may of not really made.

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Originally Posted by PiedPiper

there are guides for how to set up battle ping and the such to affect ps3 out there, I suggest googling them.

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Sometimes I can't play on my PC and have to switch to PS3. I already did google around and found nothig to this. May you give an example link?

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As no answer is incoming, this is just hot air and nothing else.

Common ps3 issues. My advice to u is to stay outside of the group. Even if you get hit by your own plume it wont kill you