As it's Valentione's Day, I ask do we even need in-game marriage; period!

I know it's re-opening the debate on allowing same-sex marriages in Eorzea (did the debate ever close?), but maybe it's worth thinking whether whether marriage should be introduced at all.

http://www.gameskinny.com/7y7wq/why-...rriage-in-ff14

I say yes - However to be blunt, certain people will ruin it with said 'debate', so it's better left unimplemented since as seen with this cute little valentines event, we can't have nice things anymore without people crying that SE isn't being "fair" and showing "equality" and so on.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

I say yes - However to be blunt, certain people will ruin it with said 'debate', so it's better left unimplemented since as seen with this cute little valentines event, we can't have nice things anymore without people crying that SE isn't being "fair" and showing "equality" and so on.

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What's wrong with equality?

And here we go again...

Here we go.

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Originally Posted by Pseudopsia

And here we go again...

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D: you beat me too it!

Let the flood gates be opened!

( I want to be Wed!)

What difference does it make? It's a nice thing for role players and people who play with their spouses/friends. And it's a very small thing to add. If you don't get it then don't bother with it. The only thing that really matters is if it's something that people want and will use and if FFXI is any indication, yes it is. Another useless debate if you ask me for something that only adds IMMERSION to an online WORLD.

See those two bolded words up there? These are the only reasons you need.

...Just craft some fancy rings and give one to your would be spouse. Gather some friends. Bam..in game wedding regardless of gender. Nothing SE can't prevent either.

I don't care if they add it or not. Just don't be a bigot and blame people who want to be treated like everybody else and make something that is supposed to be a positive moment into some negative controversy.

whats the point? will being married increase my ilvl or help me kill pixel dragons faster?

I'd rather have shared personal housing, or it will be kind of lonely. I'm assuming some kind of marriage system will be implemented that way.

I'm trying to figure out how it comes to this every single time? At this point, I'm more on the side of the just-scrap-everything-and-save-yourselves-the-headache-SE side of things.

This is just going to turn out to be an ordeal either way. I don't think that the FFXIV team wants to be the ones to take a stance for the entire company. As the article says, they will monitor player requests, of which Yoshi-P can probably appeal to higher ups to move forward with the decision to do so, but either way, it hasn't even started yet and I'm worn out on it.

What they need to do, to give players something, but avoid any controversy, is just not call it marriage.

Make up some lore about adventuring companions, or warrior pairs dedicated to a god/goddess, or whatever. It's a made up world, surely they can come up with something.

Anyway, make up some lore that ties two people together in a way that doesn't bother people who rail about 'traditional marriage.'

Still, I have no idea why anyone playing a video game involving gods, goddesses, dragons, weapons and a made up world would have a problem with same-sex pixel marriage. *shakes head sadly*

It's just fantasy marriage.

This is why we can't have nice things.

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Originally Posted by Tahldon

I'm trying to figure out how it comes to this every single time? At this point, I'm more on the side of the just-scrap-everything-and-save-yourselves-the-headache-SE side of things.

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There would be no headache and no ordeal if they didn't treat it like it was an issue - because it's not. Trion implemented marriage without gender restrictions, and it was never even a question. Not a single ripple was felt. Not one. I actually rather enjoy the marriage system in Rift - fun dimension items and stuff abound!

So again: It's only an issue, because Squeenix decided to pretend it was.

I don't think there should be *any* kind of in-game marriage system.

That stuff can stay RP or whatever.

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Originally Posted by BlueMage

I don't think there should be *any* kind of in-game marriage system.

That stuff can stay RP or whatever.

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It would be nice for my husband and I if they do implement an in-game marriage system. I'd really like to get shared housing out of it and maybe the ability to trade U/U items between each other (fat chance, I know, but a girl can dream).

And in all honesty, even if there was in game marriage, if you don't take part in it yourself, then it doesn't affect you.

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Originally Posted by Iecerint

I'd rather have shared personal housing, or it will be kind of lonely.

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I thought that's what the chocobo stables were for? ;)

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Originally Posted by TrystWildkey

What they need to do, to give players something, but avoid any controversy, is just not call it marriage.

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That sounds like a very good idea. Have it be like a pact/oath sanctified by the Twelve.

Interesting article. I was going to jokingly suggest that the marriage system should be like housing - extremely expensive, no in-game benefit, and forces including crafters - but it sounds like that's how it was in FFXI anyway...

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Originally Posted by TrystWildkey

Still, I have no idea why anyone playing a video game involving gods, goddesses, dragons, weapons and a made up world would have a problem with same-sex pixel marriage. *shakes head sadly*

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Because of lore. If SE says that there aren't same sex marriages in Eorzea, then so be it. I don't see anyone complainig about not being able to roll Empìre, or saying that having the Twelve in the game is an heresy because of [insert religious complaint], or requesting that there should be pink elephants. In the end, it has nothing to do with equality or anyone hating same sex couples. It's as simple as respecting the world and story that SE has created for us, and their own creative vision.

Anyway, if I was them I wouldn't implement it. It would save everyone from headhaches that would undoubtedly happen otherwise.

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Originally Posted by TrystWildkey

It would be nice for my husband and I if they do implement an in-game marriage system. I'd really like to get shared housing out of it and maybe the ability to trade U/U items between each other (fat chance, I know, but a girl can dream).

And in all honesty, even if there was in game marriage, if you don't take part in it yourself, then it doesn't affect you.

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What about the unmarried people? Would they be left out of a shared housing system or the trading of U/U items? Hell, the U/U trading would make everyone to get married just to be able to do it. As for shared housing, what happens if two people who got married and then one person takes everything that was shared and doesn't give it back, logs off, server transfers? Does SE have to be a marriage counselor, or start banning people for grieving? I don't see any purpose of having any sort of marriage system in place. If you want to RP it, then RP it. Get friends together, have a ceremony, get a ring or what other object you'd like to use, make your own vows, etc.. Why does SE have to facilitate it? I'm not opposed to having it in the game and I'm not opposed to not having it in the game., however there should be zero "perks" if they do add it.

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Originally Posted by Destrolyn

I ask do we even need in-game marriage; period!

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Can you decide on this before posting next time, OP?

I'm just curious what they plan to do with the Cathedral of the Sanctum of the Twelve...

If they don't add gay marriage along with hetero marriage, I will unsub.

I don't need to offer patronage to a company that does not promote equality.

FFS, people will bring real life into games! and bother us here as well.

My Female should be able to wear male cloths! discrimination! etc etc

I play game to withdraw from real life issue and politics.... Then comes people that label themselves as something and mess up the game.

Dev waste time trying to cater to every sexual orientation, and we get no content but go ahead, enjoy the pink dress on your male character and vice versa.

I swear to God if they add marriages I better get something out of it! Or else what's the point....kinda like real life. <.<

BUFFS OR NO MARRIAGES!

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Originally Posted by Destrolyn

I know it's re-opening the debate on allowing same-sex marriages in Eorzea (did the debate ever close?), but maybe it's worth thinking whether whether marriage should be introduced at all.

http://www.gameskinny.com/7y7wq/why-...rriage-in-ff14

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Why not?
It can be a cool housing feature.

You know that the article discriminate roleplayers in some way (because it ignore them total as if they don't exist in the game)

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Originally Posted by Yshnal

Anyway, if I was them I wouldn't implement it. It would save everyone from headhaches that would undoubtedly happen otherwise.

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Please, show me the "headache" that "undoubtedly" happened when Trion implemented their marriage system in Rift without any gender restrictions.

Dunno why there is so much disdain for stuff like this. "People Wanna do stuff I don't want?! Those monsters...!" I hope they disregard such talk. My marrying someone in game in no way affects anyone. We can't have anything anymore it seems.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

Please, show me the "headache" that "undoubtedly" happened when Trion implemented their marriage system in Rift without any gender restrictions.

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That's just THAT community, every community is different. I've played games where they allowed same sex marriages and people started crapping bricks.

Seeing how people here over reacted about a freaking event quest I wouldn't implement it either.

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Originally Posted by Synapse

FFS, people will bring real life into games! and bother us here as well.

My Female should be able to wear male cloths! discrimination! etc etc

I play game to withdraw from real life issue and politics.... Then comes people that label themselves as something and mess up the game.

Dev waste time trying to cater to every sexual orientation, and we get no content but go ahead, enjoy the pink dress on your male character and vice versa.

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Have you ever thought some people play a fantasy game to get away from real life issues, and don't want to be told their love "isn't allowed / isn't OK" because of people like you and your issues and your politics?

Oh, I'm sorry - I should be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. Silly me.

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Originally Posted by Synapse

FFS, people will bring real life into games! and bother us here as well.

My Female should be able to wear male cloths! discrimination! etc etc

I play game to withdraw from real life issue and politics.... Then comes people that label themselves as something and mess up the game.

Dev waste time trying to cater to every sexual orientation, and we get no content but go ahead, enjoy the pink dress on your male character and vice versa.

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Holy slippery slope batman! Lessening restrictions on gender based items/activity = so much less content. That makes a lot of sense.

My guess from a programming prospective, SE puts more effort into designing gendered locked activities and items than just letting toons, regardless of sex, do what ever they want. So, I think you have it ass backwards: dev's are wasting time with additional coding to lock items and activities into heterosexual normality.

No marriage at all unless it has no benefits! (I don't plan on getting married in a game)

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Originally Posted by ItzKris

No marriage at all unless it has no benefits! (I don't plan on getting married in a game)

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But that's the thing: Either they add a marriage system with benefits (which close friends/family and other unmarried people would want as well), or they add a marriage system with no benefits (in which case, why bother making a "system" at all when its about as useful as just RP marriage? Just give people rings they can put someone's name on regardless of gender, and if they wanna RP marriage then whatever.)

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Originally Posted by Yshnal

Because of lore. If SE says that there aren't same sex marriages in Eorzea, then so be it.

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If SE started to enact segregation amongst players who have selected a darker skin tone for their characters that would be ok, because it's lore? Absolutely not.

Themes of racism and xenophobia are dealt with in the game already. Because it's exclusively amongst NPCs, this does add colour and depth to Eorzea and it's society. However, the parts of the story that deal with this always see's the NPC realise the error of their ways, closing the topic by adopting a globally accepted norm: racism is bad. However, it is another thing to enable players to indulge in their own prejudices. Taking such a draconian stance isn't going to add anything to gameplay or the narrative, thus serving no purpose. It will also put it out of line with the attitude towards same-sex relationships which many countries around the world where the game is played don't have an issue with.

No no no no no no. Keep real life BS out of our fantasy world, and go play second life.

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Originally Posted by Yshnal

It's as simple as respecting the world and story that SE has created for us, and their own creative vision.

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There would be outcry if SE had glorified and/or fetishised the rape incident in Little Ala Migho, or if the storyline required players to participate in racism in order to progress. Any piece of art or literature that is racist, sexist, or other, is deplored and condemned by the communities it hurts and their allies. Just because it's a "creative vision" does not mean it can be excused for being offensive or unfair.

It's all or nothing when it comes to a global game allowing players to express their globally enshrined human rights. Putting defining parameters for in-game relationships is just silly unless it forms an integral part of the game, like in "The Sims". Even then, Maxis don't force players to enter into opposite sex relationships and you can still produce children outside of "marriage". So why can't SE either allow marriage for all?

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Originally Posted by Licus

If they don't add gay marriage along with hetero marriage, I will unsub.

I don't need to offer patronage to a company that does not promote equality.

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Yes but you forget not everyone in the world is for gay marriage and just like ppl can't force god on others you can't force your ways on others i myself have no prob at all with gay marriage or equality but there are ppl who don't feel the same way are they wrong? what if some ppl don't like gay marriage is it fair to them to add it in this game? this sort of thing works both ways

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Originally Posted by Yshnal

Because of lore.

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There is no anti-gay lore in Eorzea. SE has even said their sole reason for not allowing same-sex marriage if its added is because they're afraid of upsetting all the IRL homophobes who get upset that gay people even exist.