Healers, when Paladin used Cover on you...

Please, for God's sake, stop running and start to heal both of us. Once you are covered, as long as you stay within 10 yard of me, all physical attacks (inclulding stuns) will direct to me instead. I will pop defense CDs and flash/stun meele targets for group control to enhance your surivial. Please stop let me chase you and try to cover you or running away like a R tard when you are covered.

Thank you very much

Stop popping Defensive CDs like a retard. They don't work for Cover except Bulwark cause you can block/parry cover DMG. That is all for today's news flash.

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Originally Posted by TaneshimaPopura

Stop popping Defensive CDs like a retard. They don't work for Cover except Bulwark cause you can block/parry cover DMG. That is all for today's news flash.

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I do find awarness, sentinel, and rampart helps me take less damage when covered a dying healer. It works even better when I throw a flash at covering dying healer. However, dont care and dont want to argue with you about these defense CDs. You are not even my target audience, the healers are. The key point to raise is simple: Paladin is not like Marauder. Paladin's strength for group control and help healer to survive better, learn and understand how Cover works. :cool:

I am sick and tire of seeing a healer sprint away from me like R tard when covered, thanks. Using term like R tard do sounds aggreesive, I admit that, but you have to realize...... I am really sick and tire of explain how Cover works every match I am in, after about 300 games. Sorry, no more patience.

Just letting you know that Shield Oath, Awareness, Sentinel, Rampart or even Morale/Defense (In PvE) does not affect your cover damage taken. You will assume your target's Defense/Morale and take what he takes only having the liberty to block/parry reduce those damage.

Go ahead and try and Cover that Full PvE Healer and watch yourself getting blown up even with Sentinel on.

I'll take it one step further: Any Healers or DPS that happen to get aggro, PLEASE DO NOT START RUNNING AROUND LIKE A CHICKEN WITH YOUR HEAD CUT OFF! Either run to me, or stand still. Run away from me, I'll let you die. Thanks!

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Originally Posted by TaneshimaPopura

Just letting you know that Shield Oath, Awareness, Sentinel, Rampart or even Morale/Defense (In PvE) does not affect your cover damage taken.

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I think your information is outdated.

ファイナルファンタジーXIV: 新生エオルゼア HotFixes(2014/02/05)
■以下の調整を行いました。
•ギブアップ投票が可能になるまでの時間を、コンテンツ入室後5分から15分に変更しました。
■以下の不具合を修正しました
•マーケットにおいて、アイテムを0ギルで出品した状態になる場合がある。
•ナイトのアクション「かばう」を使用した際に、異常なダメージ量になるなど、意図しない挙動になる場合がある。■以下の不具合の対策を行いました。
•NPCが反応しなくなる場合がある。

An issue wherein using the Paladin’s “Cover” ability causes unintended effects, such as abnormal amounts of damage.

I think it is because Cover is bugged, not because Sentinel, Rampart, and Awarness does not work in PvP. It is hotfixed on Feb 05, 2014. I start to play Paladin in PvP after hotfix, and I do feel number of damage transfer from Cover is reduced after using defensive actions. But yes, I need other PvP Paladin to submit their feedback on this.

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Originally Posted by Divinemight

I think your information is outdated.

ファイナルファンタジーXIV: 新生エオルゼア HotFixes(2014/02/05)
■以下の調整を行いました。
•ギブアップ投票が可能になるまでの時間を、コンテンツ入室後5分から15分に変更しました。
■以下の不具合を修正しました
•マーケットにおいて、アイテムを0ギルで出品した状態になる場合がある。
•ナイトのアクション「かばう」を使用した際に、異常なダメージ量になるなど、意図しない挙動になる場合がある。■以下の不具合の対策を行いました。
•NPCが反応しなくなる場合がある。

An issue wherein using the Paladin’s “Cover” ability causes unintended effects, such as abnormal amounts of damage.

I think it is because Cover is bugged, not because Sentinel, Rampart, and Awarness does not work in PvP. It is hotfixed on Feb 05, 2014. I start to play Paladin in PvP after hotfix, and I do feel number of damage transfer from Cover is reduced after using defensive actions. But yes, I need other PvP Paladin to submit their feedback on this.

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The hotfix was because sometimes people would take 0 dmg while cover was active, but as soon as it wore off the next hit would also include all the covered damage. People were getting hit by 5k+ scathes and crap.


I'm pretty sure you're meant to take the full damage from Cover but I don't really understand why. It's not like if you could Hallowed Ground all the dmg then PLD would be overpowered. Even if you save Hallowed Ground for CC and pop Sentinel/Rampart etc... during cover, the damage absorbed would barely cover (no pun intended) the gap created between PLD/MRD dmg and healing reduction.

I haven't played PLD in a while but since there have been no major changes since then I assume it's the same. It's clear that the amount of pressure MRD can put on a healer far surpasses that of PLD. That's fine because PLD have by far the best stun in the game and some nice defensive abilities with Cover, Testudo, Flash, and Shield Swipe. However, I remember thinking that throwing Cover on a PVE geared healer was almost worse than just letting him die. He would take so much dmg that we would BOTH die in 10s.

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Originally Posted by Nenin

Edit for the length.

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The original Japanse context in the discussion in regard to Cover bugs basically comes with a lot of unintented effect. Two siginficant one including Cover is not functioning as action is activited by player and unintent amount of damamge increase transferred to Paladin via covered target.

Start playing Paladin last Wednesday and have played about 300 games. Cover after hotfixed is effective enough to keep both targeted healer and Paladin alive. Within 300 games, unless one of opposite DD is a caster. I havent die from covering damamges from Marauder + Bard + Monk output. Of course I am not very experience yet, if you would provide more specific detail would be great.

I second this. Most of the time I have to pop Enliven/Sprint just to catch up with a fleeing healer, or worse is landing Cover on an Attuned target which is a complete waste.

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Originally Posted by TaneshimaPopura

Stop popping Defensive CDs like a retard.

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Right, because the three DPS won't immediately switch to you once they see your health dipping to critical levels? Any good DPS knows how to combat Cover: knockbacks to split their target (Mythril Tempest, Blast Shot, etc.) and CC on Paladin. I've also seen you say Hallowed Ground should only be used against CC, which is equally as dumb. There are numerous applications for Hallowed Ground and nullifying a blitz attempt with Cover is one of them.

It's sometimes hard to notice when a PLD pops it on me, since I'm used to having to non-stop run for my life in this game's pvp. I've been getting better at noticing it though, I'm used to pug PLDs not using it at all with the exception of a select few.
That being said, PLDs need to stop using cover on the dps. It should ONLY be used on the healer. A dps is dying? Why cover them? so your healer can continue running around since they're being beaten on and can't heal the dps up and now can't heal you up either? Please PLEASE only use it on the healers, it is 12s of uninterrupted casting. We can save the dps. We can heal you, and we won't die during that time either.

@Divine Might

Cover is for Physical DMG. Of course you wouldn't die from a Caster DPS. But your cover target will =_=.

@bbt

It is almost always more effective to continue pounding the cover target, cause lets face it all damage done to the cover target will be transfered over anyways. THERE is no reason to swap. You don't get it do you bbt? Cover damage goes through Hallowed Ground! Thats why I keep telling you to keep track not only on PvP forums but also PvE! God jeez, I'd give you another extras for this. If the PLD covers a target and you sleep the PLD, attacking his cover target will not wake the PLD and the PLD will just die in his sleep.

Cover is usually more detrimental to be used. However it has a good point being that the cover target has the liberty to free cast during that time bar magical attack interrupts.

This forum is way too misinformed. Most of the time it is always used on Healer as even if a DPS die it is sort of a good thing as it contributes to the LB bar, keep everyone alive longer and perhaps your losing team gets their LB earlier than the opposing team and one shots their healer with Melee LB.

I only used it so the healer can see my sword-flapping animation :)

The only misinformed one is you, trying to impose your all-knowing PvE logic into a dynamic arena with an absence of scripted enemies.

Hallowed Ground is meant to combat the switched focus, not nullify the transferred damage. The majority of players won't keep swinging at a Covered healer with 100% HP when the Paladin tailing her is on the brink of death.

Yes, it is efficient to pound the Covered target, but this is not the case in all of the games where Cover played a critical role. In all cases the opposing team's DPS targeted me and I was forced to HG.

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@bbt

That is because they are just being stupid. Like I've said attacking Cover target is always more potent only reason to swap to the PLD is to throw things like Mercy Stroke or Misery's End. Which really, you'd be better off just hitting the Cover target. It's because if you get real "scripted" PvPer they will no doubt continue pounding on the Cover target.

People being erratic and unable to make snap decisions. I couldn't count how many times I continue pounding on the cover target to have the PLD drop dead, and believe it or not the more you hit the healer the more he wants to heal himself and ignore his cover tank. Which is cool for me. That being said I can assure you that 75% of the time covering a PuG healer is going to do you more harm than benefit only reason you'd want to cover someone is when that someone is locked down hard.

Cover is like taking a loan from a Loan Shark. Sure it covers your problems now, but it puts you in a deep deficit later. Which almost always leads to a breakdown like 2-3 people all being low and the healer can no longer keep everyone up. Oh and I wish you could see what Axe Kick + Howling Fist can do to you when you cover your target and both get cleaved.

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Originally Posted by TaneshimaPopura

@Divine Might

Cover is for Physical DMG. Of course you wouldn't die from a Caster DPS. But your cover target will =_=.

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I am aware of that, you have to realize one thing. If you dont cover a dying healer, they will end up dead and game is over at this point. You are clearly going through theory side about Cover and ignore the fact that in actual combat, I would also flash and stun meeles attacking covered healer that gradually reduced damage intake. The only dammage source left from range (caster or bard) is not sufficient enough in a degree that would kill me. It wil only lower my HP to 50% (if range DD reserves all dammage cds).

My dying healer would recover by this point, and two meele DDs will try to switch to me because my HP is much lower. Poping defense CDs at this point, is not a R tard act, it is a correct decision.

Personally I see cover as an ability to catch save a caster if people aren't aware of what it does unless bulwark now blocks hits on behalf of the intended target.

Although I'm not a fan of cover, I must say that the moment cover goes off, I'm going to target the healer (which wasn't common last I played) because that will most likely remove the paladin from play unless they are both spamming heals on each other and somehow make it out alive, but in that case it's really 1~3 attackers vs Cover's target: caster defense. Now if cover stacks with the move that allows you to toss defense onto another target (I forget the name), then maybe that ability will earn some decent merit.

If i could only count all the times i've died under cover when i could have done better doing drive by stuns before returning to healer harassment, I'd be rich.

ive been saved by cover quite a few times, but when your not in voice chat its hard to know if-when your being covered. even with macro <se.#> spam if its something your not used too its something your not going to be watching for.

Theres a lot going on and theres a lot of noisy silence macros and shit so don't hate us if we don't notice you used cover plz :x