I just recently started killing the big NM's like the goblin, dodore, Uraeus, great buffalo, Mosshorn. I understand that when they limited the party size to 8, that the "nerf"ed the strenght of these NM's. (For example the goblin used to have more adds back when party sizes were 15.
Well it's pretty common knowledge that some of these NM's can be solo'd or duo'd with emulate. The NM "nerf" wasn't really necessary.
I propose that when these NM's pop, make the NM level and/or condition vary. It seems like with dungeons coming out SE is trying to give content to both small and large groups as well as low and high ranking players.
For example for the Goblin, give him a chance of popping with only the 4 adds, or give him a chance of popping with 8. So basically make it so there are 2 version of each NM, a strong NM, or a weaker one. Perhaps the drops like Uraeus skin can be NQ for the light version, or HQ for the stronger version.
11 had some NM's like King Behemoth and Fafnir/Nidhog that had stronger versions of itself so why not do the same in this game?
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06-21-2011, 07:55 AMBigglesworthRoaming NM's
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06-21-2011, 08:02 AMorigamikitsune
I think some variation would be nice. Even if there wasn't necessarily an "HNM" version of it, like if the number of adds was random, but it didn't affect the drop rate or the items attained, the variation would at least be one of those small things (That together with a bunch of other small things) that adds to the world.
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06-21-2011, 08:48 AMVerecund
They definitely need to develop content for different skill levels. The current NM implementations are just plain bad.
If all content is easy, no one will have a real goal to work towards ("status" becomes irrelevant, content is easily spent, etc.). If all content is hard, then you are designing for a small nitch and will hamper the financial success of the game. -
06-21-2011, 08:50 AMelreedexactly, hardcore ftw, we need really hard content to have a long term goal and keep content interesting for everyoneQuote:
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06-21-2011, 08:50 AMJoeking"Status" = ElitismQuote:
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06-21-2011, 08:53 AM_C-a-e-r-i-t-h_Elitism != necessarily bad.Quote:
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06-21-2011, 09:06 AMVerecund
Status is more like a goal to be achieved... if you overcome challenges, some people will in turn allow you a certain "status" in their mind (or respect)
Elitism on the other hand is when someone has their head shoved a particular distance up their own ass. They assert that they have "status", whether they do or they don't -
06-21-2011, 09:08 AMJoekingIf a person can do this, they have earned by respect.Quote:
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06-21-2011, 09:47 AM_C-a-e-r-i-t-h_Fixed.Quote:
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FYI:
elitism:
1. The advocacy or existence of an elite as a dominating element in a system or society.
2. The attitude or behavior of a person or group who regard themselves as belonging to an elite.
elite:
1. A group of people considered to be the best in a particular society or category, esp. because of their power, talent, or wealth.
2. A size of letter in typewriting, with 12 characters to the inch (about 4.7 to the centimeter)
Oh, and this one comes to mind when I see people use "elitist" as an insult:
ressentiment:
1. A psychological state arising from suppressed feelings of envy and hatred that cannot be acted upon. -
06-21-2011, 10:05 AMVerecundQuote:
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If you're going to use a dictionary definition as an argument, at least try to do so in a way that doesn't completely prove my point.
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06-21-2011, 10:10 AMDoctorMog
THM could solo dodore with 6 adds and goblin with 6.
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06-21-2011, 12:11 PM_C-a-e-r-i-t-h_The way you phrased it (ie, "head up the ass") is that anyone who thought they were in any way elite had their head up their ass. I merely wish to remind you that, due to fortune and occasionally effort, there will arise a group of people who are "best in class." Is it necessarily arrogant for such people to recognize their differences?Quote:
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Consider two mages. Mage A has reached max level, fully merited out their job, purchased all the best gear, fine-tuned their macros, and has through careful planning and practice put their years of experience at magic to use in soloing gods and whatnot. Mage B reached max level meleeing in campaign, hasn't skilled up since 30, has no merits, and is wearing RSE. Is Mage A a better mage than Mage B? Yes. Does Mage A know this? By your definitions, unless he is seriously incapable of telling the difference then he has his head up his ass.
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06-21-2011, 12:15 PMRentahamsterQuote:
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We had a dev post sort of relating to this - it was about Matsui's intention of adding randomized boss monsters after the major battle revisions are completed.
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06-21-2011, 12:25 PMVerecund-----------------------------------------Quote:
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06-21-2011, 12:34 PM_C-a-e-r-i-t-h_If you're going to use quotes, at least try to do so in a way that makes a point :pQuote:
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Re: assertion. Let's say Mage A and Mage B meet, and Mage A offers Mage B some mage advice. Mage B says, "What do you know?" and Mage A says, "Lots." That is an assertion of superior status.
Let's say Mage A overheard Mage B giving Mage C some erroneous advice on being a mage. Mage A interjects. This is also an assertion of superior status. In this scenario, I think it's more likely that Mage B has his head up his ass when he rejects Mage A's advice and calls him an elitist.
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06-21-2011, 12:42 PMVerecund
You have apparently misjudged the connotation of the word "Elitism" that is being used on these forums, in addition to proving your are incapable of comprehending simple statements.
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06-21-2011, 12:44 PM_C-a-e-r-i-t-h_No, but I once had a barber named Dominique.Quote:
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06-21-2011, 12:48 PM_C-a-e-r-i-t-h_Oh, and actually, I recognized this board's connotations quite early on:Quote:
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06-21-2011, 01:08 PMVerecund
The description is inaccurate ... a village idiot is hated without envy.
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06-21-2011, 06:24 PMVahzl
I don't think (iirc) the kings etc were even in the game on release. If memory serves, they weren't added until RotZ.
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06-21-2011, 06:50 PMSakasaI believe you are correct as it would have been impossible to kill them at launch. The cap wasn't high enough and alot of the then vital gear wasn't implemented if it was in the dats. But I believe there was some big things I can't recall alot of the ffxi history.Quote:
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06-21-2011, 08:53 PMVahzlAgain, based on shady memory here, but I think the highest HNM's available on launch were Simurgh, Roc and Serket. I don't recall them even being damaged until mid RotZ release though when the cap hit around 65.Quote:
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06-21-2011, 09:23 PMSephr
I think that given the vastness of the zones we currently have, it wouldn't be hard to include giant roaming NMs and beastmen groups in the more distant regions of each area. I for one would love to see FF13-style adamantoises wandering around the northern end of La Noscea to make it feel a bit more wild and dangerous.
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06-22-2011, 06:25 AMBigglesworthI love the idea, but at this point it would be additional NM's. The other night a group of us were trying to unlock some aethryte gates in Coertes. There is an awesome area called Wyrmking's Perch that is West of Ishgard. There is an old castle there. Would be awesome to put a HNM that roamed around that castle grounds just between Wyrmking's Perch and The Lance.Quote:
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