Broken method of killing SCH

A group I was queuing with after the patch was trying out the nerfs to SCH, sure enough they are easier to catch up to especially for melee, but they still are very efficient at kiting and with the eos spam healing them + crit procs on their shield. They still are good healers. So then we started splitting dps on the healer and the eos, treating the eos as like extra enemy team member marked #1. Most SCH would scramble to heal and save their eos while the tank was interrupting them, sure enough they did try and heal their eos like an extra team member. After the eos would die the SCH would swiftcast summon the eos again, and once again the 2 dps would burst it down while tank stuck on healer. Once the eos was dead the 2nd time all switch target to SCH and it's 45 seconds or so of no eos support for SCH. Unless their dps and tank would perform some very coordinated CC, their SCH was dead about 95% of the time.

The absence of the eos plus their nerf to slowing their attackers renders them very very vulnerable. In addition, you can also all focus a weak DPS during the 45 sec of no eos while tank sticks on healer.

Another method is getting a sleep cycle going on the eos while all others focus sch, but this method is prone to alot more variables that go wrong.

Anyway it's really simple....

1. Make killing Eos priority. 2 dps burst fairy, tank interrupts SCH, SCH will swift summon.. kill eos again
2. Save some dps bursts for the swiftcast summon of the eos if SCH brings it back.
3. Dogpile SCH after eos is dead the second time.

Two mediocre DPS with a decent tank can practice this method and it works pretty good. With a geared coordinated team it's pretty broken.


Anyway.. just something I noticed with the new nerfs.

Or just summon eos with surecast after a stun happened while they are damaging your current eos. No need for swiftcast there z_z. Plus the scholar shouldn't be standing still just to tank crap like a pro. He or She Should be running/dodging like hell. owo Your also asking to be eyed for an eye debuffed. As well as wasting your time with the healer instead of helping your own healer (or even ranged) from getting killed. (Especially if your own is a WHM) All it takes is a tank to stop your healer and the range dps to have free harass on your range just to turn the match.

That's the beauty of this method, the SCH scrambles for dear life once the eos is down, and eos are not too hard to bring down if the tank is sticking on healer. It is a HUGE nerf to their healing. Surecast summoning while the eos is getting bursted is a good idea but when actually testing it NONE of SCH were ready for the burst on the eos. NONE. Subsequently they were not preemptively surecast - summoning. Sure you can analyze how you'd counter this method on the forums once it's described in detail. But when put into action against an unsuspecting SCH it's game over. We tested it enough times to witness this. I think the point here is the eos, a decent DPS duo can repeatedly bring the eos down pretty fast, after the that the sch goes down fast, keep the pressure split on eos and sch... it workes wonders.

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Originally Posted by x037x

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Not necessarily saying your idea is wrong. I would just like to state, scholars are still strong survivors/healers without their fairy. Without her, we basically just have the same cure power as a whitemage cure 1. Which still saves our team members. What I believe is our strongest point, is the fact we can prevent dmg interruption through our Galvanize shields to help ourselves and the dps casters. I just don't find attacking Eos productive before the Scholar uses his/her debuffs to stall even more time for you healer to die unprotected. Our debuffs are instant cast and considering how tanky pets are in PvP your really risking it.

The best thing to do is to just CC the fairy (Auto attacks will interrupt embrace) and burst the healer.

Too much work/time wasted otherwise. :<

As a sch, I love when people go after my eos. I can usually get off enough casts between the tank on me to keep eos up + with sustain. Also even if you manage to kill eos, my dps have usually already killed 2 of the people on the enemy team. When I see people trying to kill eos I end up laughing as their dps could be better spent trying to kill me.

I can see it working in a complete 4-pug team vs a 3man premade, or if the sch is just really bad...but I wouldn't really suggest this method to anyone.

edit: I have said eos a lot in this post.

Maybe in solo queue when you have dead weight filling in sides, but this method will not work in coordinated play. You're giving the enemy DPS and tank free reign to do whatever they want. In terms of variables the odds do not favor this approach.

Seems like a lot of effort to kill 2 pets. In the meantime any decent team has probably already killed half your party.

oh no :( Don't go for eos please, you totally learned our secret.

Yeap... Good luck trying to kill that Full Pentamelded PvP Gear and Crafted Vit/Caster Accessories summoned EoS. Sustain will own you and you'd really think 1 tank is enough to lock down a Adlo > Physicks weaving SCH? You're so wrong...

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Originally Posted by Kirschey

As a sch, I love when people go after my eos. I can usually get off enough casts between the tank on me to keep eos up + with sustain. Also even if you manage to kill eos, my dps have usually already killed 2 of the people on the enemy team. When I see people trying to kill eos I end up laughing as their dps could be better spent trying to kill me.

I can see it working in a complete 4-pug team vs a 3man premade, or if the sch is just really bad...but I wouldn't really suggest this method to anyone.

edit: I have said eos a lot in this post.

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This says it all lol. Eos is very easy to heal up... normally the tank and one dps that are on me switch to Eos when I pop Attunement, and very often one person decides going after Eos is a good idea. All it takes is Sustain + one Lustrate to save Eos from near death. And while they're busy attacking Eos, the rest of my team is destroying the others.

Man, I would love if people trained Eos and left the DPS alone.

BLM would have a field day too.
That game would be over in like, 10 seconds.

i have won 20 of 20 games telling my team to sit on the benches at the start until we get zerged. does that make it a good strat?

This is the new sekret, you heard it here first.

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Originally Posted by x037x

That's the beauty of this method, the SCH scrambles for dear life once the eos is down, and eos are not too hard to bring down if the tank is sticking on healer. It is a HUGE nerf to their healing. Surecast summoning while the eos is getting bursted is a good idea but when actually testing it NONE of SCH were ready for the burst on the eos. NONE. Subsequently they were not preemptively surecast - summoning. Sure you can analyze how you'd counter this method on the forums once it's described in detail. But when put into action against an unsuspecting SCH it's game over. We tested it enough times to witness this. I think the point here is the eos, a decent DPS duo can repeatedly bring the eos down pretty fast, after the that the sch goes down fast, keep the pressure split on eos and sch...

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If I was on my PLD defending the SCH, I would just sit on your dps chain stunning them....gg while you try to kill EoS and no actual enemy players.

Easiest win for me is when people are dumb enough to zerg the fairy first. Before the fairy goes down, half their team is dead already. It's pretty hilarious.

I love this strat! just before I see eos going down, as a joke, i hide behind a wall and just resummon her full cast. dps thinks they've killed her and then both me and eos pop up from around the corner like TADAH!!. its hilarious because they go right back at her. one match i did this 5 times while their healer got merked. you would think they would have caught on but nope. my team had a good laugh.

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Originally Posted by bbt

Maybe in solo queue when you have dead weight filling in sides, but this method will not work in coordinated play. You're giving the enemy DPS and tank free reign to do whatever they want. In terms of variables the odds do not favor this approach.

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What she said
Only strats better than this gem of pvp ingenuity are famous "Eos in the middle", "Swiftcast Holy spam" and ofc "B4B jumping in 1v4 while LoSing your healer"

There are times when this strategy is helpful. Generally, I agree that it only works in random groups, not in coordinated play. It's very common for SCH to position the fairy in the middle of the room or at the corner of one of the walls so that, as they kite the melee/tank, they can pass by the fairy for heals. In that situation, it's not terribly useless to kill the fairy.

That said, if your tank and/or melee are on the fairy, this leaves the scholar available to heal their teammates, who will make short work of your healer/ranged dps while you busy yourself with the fairy.

Also, any healer on any decent team with have the points for the PVP Raise ability that is far superior to Swiftcast+Resurrection (it requires only one ability and gives the raised target 50% health and no weakness). So, even if the scholar is stupid or otherwise occupied and allows you to kill Eos, they can just Swiftcast+Summon or get to a safe spot for hardcast [Surecast+]Summon.

A somewhat better strategy that I use (as summoner) is to pop my DOTs on Eos when the healer uses Attunement (assuming that the fairy is nearby / on "Heel") and then quickly pop Bane when Attunement wears off. Not only does this put up DOTs on the healer, it also forces them to decide whether or not to use Leeches on the fairy.

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Originally Posted by Braxy

A somewhat better strategy that I use (as summoner) is to pop my DOTs on Eos when the healer uses Attunement (assuming that the fairy is nearby / on "Heel") and then quickly pop Bane when Attunement wears off. Not only does this put up DOTs on the healer, it also forces them to decide whether or not to use Leeches on the fairy.

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Bad teams only let the SMN reek havoc. u_u Trinkets work in this situation very well.

I usually put dots for the eos if it is in the good position and spread for the another opponent since eos can not purify dots like other opponents :P. However you can not play arena in that way " kill x target cc y target". you need to read the situation what is the best. Sometimes it is good idea kill eos sometimes its not.

Focusing down EoS? No... Cleaving EoS on the way to your target? ... Yes why not. There is so many times I just drive by Demolish the EoS to keep GL stack up moving from target to target on my monk. And believe it or not EoS is like free Heavy Thrust buff for DRGs.