Let's Face It. We Need a Nerf On Spell Casters Being Interrupted.

Chance of interrupting spells should be 35%, not 100%. Who else agrees? <3

I do not agree, as a caster.

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Originally Posted by Deca

I do not agree, as a caster.

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Shhh. Im trying to get my mojo in. :<

The system is also reducing gap between casters and non casters. Casters cc is bind/snare/sleep/kiting/knockback and compensate for that melees can do full damage while interrupting casters casts reducing casters damage. Melees do not have another(if stun is not counted or monk silence) cc so that is only cc melee dps can do.

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Originally Posted by Sunako

The system is also reducing gap between casters and non casters. Casters cc is bind/snare/sleep/kiting/knockback and compensate for that melees can do full damage while interrupting casters casts reducing casters damage. Melees do not have another(if stun is not counted or monk silence) cc so that is only cc melee dps can do.

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42% Chance then? :< Considering all you said can be resisted & removed due to materia alchemy and healer u_u. I don't believe CC is as heavily an issue your I90 Rank 30 PvP. Which reminds me z_z I don't see the point in going full sleep materia when you can just reduce stun/sleep/bind by over 3 5ths of its duration.

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Originally Posted by Cleftobismal

42% Chance then? :< Considering all you said can be resisted & removed due to materia alchemy and healer u_u. I don't believe CC is as heavily an issue your I90 Rank 30 PvP. Which reminds me z_z I don't see the point in going full sleep materia when you can just reduce stun/sleep/bind by over 3 5ths of its duration.

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I dont really see the reason why it should be random number generated system. Healers can already hardcast their 2 sec cast since global cooldown is 2.5sec.

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Originally Posted by Sunako

I dont really see the reason why it should be random number generated system. Healers can already hardcast their 2 sec cast since global cooldown is 2.5sec.

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One in Three then. :<

Casters are significantly stronger than melee right now, why should they be buffed?

If teams weren't forced into having one, there'd be no reason to take a melee.

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Originally Posted by Quackley

Casters are significantly stronger than melee right now, why should they be buffed?

If teams weren't forced into having one, there'd be no reason to take a melee.

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yah maybe before 2.15 but now melees are better since they can remove sprint they have much better uptime now and kiting is harder since scholars and summoners do not have snare anymore. I bet melees are way much more better than 2.1 even without that melee ranged system.

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Originally Posted by Cleftobismal

Chance of interrupting spells should be 35%, not 100%. Who else agrees? <3

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I don't agree as a scholar ! I didn't like 2.15 change for scholar, cause we lose our own snare for kitting.

Whm has Holy, Repose, Fluid Aura and Regen, much easier to kite with this spell.

No. I already have to deal with this game's stellar netcode watching Cure II's go off when I land a blow at ~50% cast. A hidden percentage on top of that is stupid. Use your cooldowns if you expect to freecast with impunity.

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Originally Posted by Edenlys

I don't agree as a scholar ! I didn't like 2.15 change for scholar

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Scholar survivability got hammered this patch with the Miasma change. They simply cannot escape a tank/train short of a Blizzard II now. I feel this was a somewhat unnecessary, generalized fix that should have only targeted Arcanists/Summoners. Miasma II's heavy component should function as a defensive maneuver for the Scholar, same as Fluid Aura if we were to draw parallels.

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Originally Posted by Edenlys

I don't agree as a scholar ! I didn't like 2.15 change for scholar, cause we lose our own snare for kitting.

Whm has Holy, Repose, Fluid Aura and Regen, much easier to kite with this spell.

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U can still lustrate spam every 1min and if u save ur aetherflow stacks u can do 6x lustrate row and 3 lustrate is like worth of 1 benediction that whm have 5min cd and u have pet that can heal freely all of the time. scholar have more healing utility than WHM but thats the price of WHM:s cc utility.

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Originally Posted by Sunako

yah maybe before 2.15 but now melees are better since they can remove sprint they have much better uptime now and kiting is harder since scholars and summoners do not have snare anymore. I bet melees are way much more better than 2.1 even without that melee ranged system.

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Stop overrating Melee. Ranged is still stronger. Only reason Melee even have a chance in tiered comps is because of the forced queue system.

Do you mean just SMN instead of Ranged? Only range I see that does more damage than mnk/drg is SMN.

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Originally Posted by LongNu

Stop overrating Melee. Ranged is still stronger. Only reason Melee even have a chance in tiered comps is because of the forced queue system.

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Maybe there is another reason why there is melees or ranged in different category like if they overbuff melees they need boost ranged dps and spiral never gonna end but in that way it is way much more easier do balance issues when u need compare only 2 - 3 classes instead 5 different classes.

I am a WHM and casting while getting chased by a train is annoying as hell

Virtually all Range DPS interrupting my cast is BS

Miasma II interrupting my cast is BS... I think if someone sneezed in my general direction it would interrupt my cast

its dumb and makes playing WHM in PvP annnnnnnnoooying

The only thing I get is surecast and 1 PvP skill where I can pop off some cures but outside of that its really book it -> LOS enemy Team Cast (if your not in my LOS for a snap cure well your dead)

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Originally Posted by Sunako

U can still lustrate spam every 1min and if u save ur aetherflow stacks u can do 6x lustrate row and 3 lustrate is like worth of 1 benediction that whm have 5min cd and u have pet that can heal freely all of the time. scholar have more healing utility than WHM but thats the price of WHM:s cc utility.

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That healing utility doesn't really make up for the gap created by losing miasma's heavy. It doesn't take long to burn 3 or even 6 lustrates when you get holmganged (since aura blast wont knockback a holmganged war now) and someone else on your team is being focused.

"Casters are overpowered" mainly applies to SMN, who can kill without ever casting-- so the point is moot-- and BLM/WHM sleep.

I agree that SOMETHING should be changed. As it stands, only auto-attacks interrupt casting. This mainly becomes a problem when you are ganged up on. So rather than reduce the % chance to interrupt, there should be something to allow casters to survive (or, attempt to survive) being hit by all three opposing dps at once.

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Originally Posted by Braxy

"Casters are overpowered" mainly applies to SMN, who can kill without ever casting-- so the point is moot-- and BLM/WHM sleep.

I agree that SOMETHING should be changed. As it stands, only auto-attacks interrupt casting. This mainly becomes a problem when you are ganged up on. So rather than reduce the % chance to interrupt, there should be something to allow casters to survive (or, attempt to survive) being hit by all three opposing dps at once.

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Are you sure it's auto attacks? i thought it was the opposite where skill interrupt and auto attacks don't

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Originally Posted by Braxy

there should be something to allow casters to survive (or, attempt to survive) being hit by all three opposing dps at once.

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Attunement, Testudo/Cover, team synergy, faith in your healer - any of the above.

Weaponskills interrupt casting too. Any direct damage dealt will cancel a cast.

If you have higher spell speed than your opponent's skill speed, if you tap the button quickly enough you can cast between attacks (by one person) if you get interrupted. Considering the relative potential power of casters, I don't think this system is too unresaonable.

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Are you sure it's auto attacks? i thought it was the opposite where skill interrupt and auto attacks don't

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All damage greater than 0 interrupts spellcasting.

Auto-attack doesn't interrupt spells. lol

Oh I had it backwards :3

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Originally Posted by Houston009

Auto-attack doesn't interrupt spells. lol

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Thats what i thought, pet damage doesn't interrupt either

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Originally Posted by Houston009

Auto-attack doesn't interrupt spells. lol

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It 100% does, tested against a WHM FC mate who was the last alive on the bad guy side in a match.

Still a bit baffled why they couldn't implement a spell pushback system like the one in WoW. Your cast bar would get knocked back x amount of seconds and after being hit 3 times you couldn't be interrupted anymore unless it was by a CC ability. (Stun/Silence/Polymorph/Fear/etc)

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Originally Posted by Orophin

Still a bit baffled why they couldn't implement a spell pushback system like the one in WoW. Your cast bar would get knocked back x amount of seconds and after being hit 3 times you couldn't be interrupted anymore unless it was by a CC ability. (Stun/Silence/Polymorph/Fear/etc)

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One of the developers is a huge fan of DAOC or something like that, where this style of interrupts comes.
It's not necessarily a bad thing, it's just a different style.

It'll work better in Frontlines, which'll probably have its own issues (namely, I don't see how damage is going to be anything but ridiculous. Bane a small group, multiple flares, etc), but that's a long time from now.

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Originally Posted by Quackley

One of the developers is a huge fan of DAOC or something like that, where this style of interrupts comes.
It's not necessarily a bad thing, it's just a different style.

It'll work better in Frontlines, which'll probably have its own issues (namely, I don't see how damage is going to be anything but ridiculous. Bane a small group, multiple flares, etc), but that's a long time from now.

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Spent years PvPing in DAOC so i'm pretty familiar with the casting system, it's even quite a bit more lenient than DAOC was.
Every melee class would need a "kick" interrupt to interrupt casting if casting in this game was like wow or things would never die.

Giving everybody kick wouldn't matter when spells complete after like 10% of the bar finishes anyways. D:

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Originally Posted by Sunako

U can still lustrate spam every 1min and if u save ur aetherflow stacks u can do 6x lustrate row and 3 lustrate is like worth of 1 benediction that whm have 5min cd and u have pet that can heal freely all of the time. scholar have more healing utility than WHM but thats the price of WHM:s cc utility.

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How many lustrate make Regen permanently on you and teammates ? Then add 1 Benediction and opponent heal permanently sleep.

Now, explain me how to deals more instant heal with sch

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Originally Posted by Quackley

Giving everybody kick wouldn't matter when spells complete after like 10% of the bar finishes anyways. D:

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more like 75%

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Originally Posted by Pentara

more like 75%

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It's actually probably closer to 50, but here, in case you need it:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/hyperbole

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Originally Posted by Edenlys

How many lustrate make Regen permanently on you and teammates ? Then add 1 Benediction and opponent heal permanently sleep.

Now, explain me how to deals more instant heal with sch

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Yea but u have permanent pet that heal you and teammates. + those shields.. if target hit 0 cause of shield target can not interrupt ur spellcasting with direct damage.

pet doesn't have purify :p

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Originally Posted by Pentara

pet doesn't have purify :p

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ya but pet have rouse that can do same things than purify but problem is that do not even work. Maybe it is supposed 2 be fixed later. But u can still dispel ur pet.

I thought Rouse was like Fetter Ward, where it blocks incoming status effects.

People really trying to say this patch hurt scholars....lol

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Originally Posted by Kialai

People really trying to say this patch hurt scholars....lol

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SMN and SCH totally unplayable now, worst 2 jobs along with black mage eyeroll

As The OP I should reveal my new findings :<. Spamming Aldoquium + stoneskin on a BLM/SMN = good bye melee.


*cough SCH = Anti Spell Cast Interrupters If Left Alone :<

Not really but it's the first time in MMO that I saw casting pvp class (sch /smn) without any CC.