Bahamut Turn 5 need advice about conflag!

Do you have any trick to kill conflag in time?
I watched all the video and they seem easy so far, and my PT have high level DPS who could kill EX primal better than average PT, but then we always lose in T5 because conflag not die.

1. Does MT also need to attack it?
2. Does ST need to use sword oath?
3. Does healer need to attack it? which healer is better? whm or sch ?
4. Is there any trick for DPS? flare? save which skill for it?
5. Does short conflag always spawn together with red bomb? sometimes we not see red bomb pop and also not enough time to kill it.

Thank you.

idk but as healer i go cleric stance, and never seen them blow up after that. Believe its also every second conflag, which ever one is not resetted through fireball, assuming you go into conflag when you got red triangle. Also assuming you guys aernt stacking more then 4 people.

May have to also use potions/food, and save cds for every second conflag. and ye the short conflag is the one with the fireball, since that resets it. (the one where you have to go into conflag). But if you are referring to the one where fireball > conflag (immidiately, then thats the fast one and has to be killed really quickly

Just save burst DPS CD's for the fast ones and have OT in sword oath.

Save cd's for fast ones, rng can mess you up and conflag someone you really didnt want it too for the fast ones, like a summoner who had full aetherstacks, healers help pick up some of the loss in those cases

I can only give rotation advice for BLM, but make sure you have full mana and 3 astral fire at the start of every fast conflag, switch right away and go fire > fire > fire then use a fire 3 proc if you got it, if not swiftcast one. If that is still not enough then swiftcast a flare, flare has a long CD after it which is why if you can get away with not using it you should. Spare your Raging Strikes if no DPS has to go in, see who is going in exactly and make a judgment call based on the dps you will be missing. Time your rotation, when you see the fireball before fast conflag go straight into blizzard 3 then by the time conflag pops you should finish casting Fire 3 and be at the point in your rotation that you want to be.

Failing conflags is a DPS issue, and it's all about burst damage so parsing won't help. Get the DPS to say what exactly they're doing, notice which DPS go in and what the effect on burst damage is like without them to isolate those who aren't pulling weight.

We have the main tank walk into the conflag,so he takes no dmg from twin, and the 2 healers dps as well.

Also remember that the more ppl are in fireball, the quicker the conflag blows up.

We run with a smn and a sch so we stack the pets on the OT. anyone who gets fireball runs to the OT. if fireball lands on the OT he just eats it.

First, a quick snapshot of second-phase rotation (party perspective):
Neurolink (start) > ||:Fireball > (Conflag+Fireball) > Fireball > Conflag:||

||:~:|| content here means it repeats in that order until phase change. Basically, every odd conflag will be accompanied by a fireball. Every even conflag will be solo.

Solo conflags are the dangerous ones. Here's why. Throwing a Fireball into a Conflag RESETS the countdown of explosion to the MAXIMUM amount of time (35s). So, you have the most amount of time to kill it when they happen together.

Your DPS should pop their cooldowns on every even Conflag. The fewer players hit by Fireball, the more time you will have to kill the Conflag.

See formulas:
Fireball Damage Taken= ((Total Damage)/(# targets hit))
whereas

Conflag explosion in __ secs = (35 - 5x), where x=# players hit by Fireball.

Chrono's strat is what we do. We have the tank walk into the odd conflags as well (once topped off... Twintania likes to Plummet Conflag victims when they emerge). As well we have 3 players + fairy eat fireballs. (2 players and fairy stay stacked, and fireball victim joins them. If it's one of the 2 permanent masochists, we have a designated person who joins them.)

Make sure your DDs have a plan for which CDs they're using for which fast (no fireball, 2nd and 4th for our grop) conflags. We have our main tank attacking conflags, OT is using sword oath, healers don't usually attack them. I feel it's a pretty tough DPS check even with very well geared group, at least if the group is using two tanks instead of one.

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Originally Posted by Chronos

We have the main tank walk into the conflag,so he takes no dmg from twin, and the 2 healers dps as well.

Also remember that the more ppl are in fireball, the quicker the conflag blows up.

We run with a smn and a sch so we stack the pets on the OT. anyone who gets fireball runs to the OT. if fireball lands on the OT he just eats it.

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You still get stacks from the pets don't you?

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Originally Posted by Nichigo

You still get stacks from the pets don't you?

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I believe all pets collectively count as 1 individual for Waxen Flash.

A bit more in-depth about Conflags:

- Every 1st, 3rd, 5th, etc. Conflag is considered a "slow Conflag". What this means is during the duration of these Conflags, another party member will get targeted by Fireball. If they then run inside the Conflag, it extends the duration of the current Conflag.
- Every 2nd, 4th, 6th, etc. Conflag is considered a "fast Conflag". Nobody will be targeted by Fireball during this time, so you won't have an opportunity to reset/extend the duration of the Conflag. This is the part where everyone needs to throw out their full DPS.
- Anyone who runs into the Conflag becomes Fettered (unable to move), and cannot be targeted. For this reason, the MT should run into the Conflags but only if their health is high enough. Twintania will not be able to attack them, which means healers can spend the time DPS-ing instead. Just be ready to top up the tank's health, as Twintania resumes attacking once the Conflag is down.
- Off-tanks should turn off their tanking stance during the Fireball/Conflag phase, as you want to be maximizing damage here.
- (Correct me if I'm wrong someone) Make sure everyone's health is quite topped up, or they at least have a Regen on them. They will suffer Burn damage ticks while inside Conflag, and if their health drops to zero before the Conflag timer expires, the Conflag will still explode.
- A non-resetted/extended Conflag after Fireball hits 4 people lasts for roughly 15 seconds. The other option is to have 3 people take the damage, so that Conflag lasts longer but you'll have to be sure you have enough health for it. The duration of Conflag is inversely proportionate to the number of people the prior Fireball hit - the more people who get hit by Fireball, the shorter the duration of the Conflag.

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Originally Posted by juniglee

I believe all pets collectively count as 1 individual for Waxen Flash.

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Not at all the case, the benefit to stacking pets is that they take reduced aoe damage, so if the OT gets targeted before the fast one you can just do a 3 stack and make the next fast conflag not so fast.

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Originally Posted by SarcasmMisser

Not at all the case, the benefit to stacking pets is that they take reduced aoe damage, so if the OT gets targeted before the fast one you can just do a 3 stack and make the next fast conflag not so fast.

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I seem to remember trying it with a party that had a SMN and a SCH. They stacked both pets + me the OT behind Twintania. If someone got targeted by Fireball, they'd run to me and both pets. I remember it counted as 3 stacks of Waxen Flesh in total, for 2 pets, OT, and FB target.

Yes it splits the damage among the pets too, but for Conflag purposes, it also counts as one stack of Waxen Flesh. That's the point I'm trying to get across.

Pets do count towards the fireball stack, if not people will be using 2 pets + 2 people for 2 stack fireball, loads of time to clear the next conflag.

Our group uses SCH & SMN as well, and we stack both pets. Each pet WILL add a stack of waxen flesh

Jungilee's post is correct.

The only thing I'd clarify is that Tanks should run into the Conflag only if she's casting a death sentence, otherwise, they don't take that much dmg (just very slow belly flops and swipes in between) so it's better if they stay outside and help dps. It won't interfere with healers slightly dpsing.

The other thing is, you don't need to be fully topped up if you have a regen on you, so a good idea is for WHM to cast medica II right before fireball goes off, itll last til conflag. However, sometimes this will cause them to be killed, such as when they run in right after they were the target of fireball (or ate a fireball and didn't have a lot of health), even if they have a medica II ticking on them, they'll get really low, then if they ever get plummeted after the tank runs in, they'll die guaranteed. So what I do is always cast medica II, then get a quick cure on them (if they're the conflag target).

Forgot to mention, pets will add waxen flag, but since they take reduced AOE dmg, it's still safer than having more members eat the actual fireballs

If you're running with a well geared group with people running around 4,300 minimum with food and party buff; you can do Garuda, Eos and the target for Fireballs. Just make sure you have a Scholar who is on the ball for a quick cast of Adloquium on the target before they take the hit.

This isn't just to give the DPS more time on the Conflagrations, but it's also one less person to heal. This way you only have to heal one person per every other Fireball. If you're running a SCH/SCH/SMN or SMN/SMN/SCH group you could use three pets and a target; which would give you less time on Conflagrations, but if DPS isn't an issues it's again; one less person to heal.