Stop crying about PVP

Edit: Mitski is right I believe, I believe his points are incredibly valid at this point....I think about Djlovedrop(double summoner comps), the jumping and his summoner crew...then I remember what a large part of the community is frustrated with!

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Originally Posted by Mitski

It's nice to have a discussion about gear vs skill, but at the end of the day, that's not what most people are complaining about. People are unhappy about summoners and jumping. SE has confirmed that they are planning to adjust both in 2.15

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There is nothing inherently broken about the PVP system, generally the more coordinated teams and/or more skilled players will win at a much higher win percentage. The so called gear gap can be closed with crafted gear, ilvl 70 pieces are obtained relatively soon after. The learning curve is steep, there is huge rooms for improvement from learning your class and learning to play with your team mates and coordinating. In my opinion, skill differential is much larger then the gear differential in the context of your total average game played in PVP ( you aren't fighting rank 30's all the time, generally average gear level is below ilvl70 pvp gear)

I would suggest (if you do enjoy PVP) to learn the basics and flow of how the game is in level 30-40 ques, and if you really are stressed about gear, to obtain wolf marks there as well for the first 1 or 2 large pieces.

PVP is all relative, if you think you are running into teams that are too tough due to gear or the other teams being more coordinated then yours, drop down to the 40-30 lvl man ques, or take the time to assemble your own 3 man team in pvp...because that's what people who are winning at a perceived higher rate then you are, are DOING.

Final Note:
For new players getting into PVP there is definite progression in being better at PVP. Take time in the lower level ques or get crafted gear sets, make friends with people who would like to PVP and grow together, have fun figuring out how to beat the perceived "better geared players" I personally had tons of fun losing in certain matches when the games were competitive.

This isn't a race to get to level 30, its to have competitive games and to figure out how to beat your fellow Eorzeans into the ground more often then they beat you.

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I apologize for my previous immature statement, I too am frustrated by the summoners and jumping mechanics that have been abused by so many players in PVP! Let's petition to get those players/changes addressed!

Some people with high win percentages may disagree, alas they are rank 30 already

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Originally Posted by Djlovedrop

So since I have a +90% win rate against you makes you a shitty player player right? Oh and thats me adding solo que games also. Please enlighten us more. I mean you cannot say that I won because of my gear since you stated the gear gap doesn't make a difference. Its skill > gear. So before you make yourself look silly on the forums just stop talking shit to people when you bunny hop. Thanks and hope you have a great day!

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^typical double summoner comp runner..eegads!

i kneel before you.

This is the first iteration of PVP implemented, and its pretty fun to me. Right now this PVP mode of 4v4 has a huge skill cap due to a small amount of players(each person makes a more significant impact in winning or losing), introduction of large based 8v8 and such would accomodate larger PVP player groups making it easier to smooth out skill differences in teams(Large rabble hitting the crap out of everything)

I agree that skill (individual and team) is very important, and most players are a long way from realizing the full potential of their class. That being said, you've completely downplayed all the other issues.

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Originally Posted by deezss

The so called gear gap can be closed with crafted gear...

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Each tier of gear is substantially better than the previous tiers. If you really think craft gear can "close the gap", then have your pre-made run full craft lv55 in the lv50 PvP bracket for night (no cheating with weapons, lv55 is good enough!). You will be obliterated.

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Originally Posted by deezss

...ilvl 70 pieces are obtained relatively soon after

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@75% win it takes about 500 games to get a full set of lv70 gear, and if you're a new player, behind the gear curve, your win% will be much lower. @50% win it's ~650 games, and @33% it's ~800 games. You used subjective wording, but I think most players would not consider 800 games "relatively soon".

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Originally Posted by deezss

I would suggest (if you do enjoy PVP) to learn the basics and flow of how the game is in level 30-40 ques, and if you really are stressed about gear, to obtain wolf marks there...

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There is a problem with the system, when the most viable option for a level 50 player is to que against level 30 players.

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Originally Posted by deezss

In my opinion, skill differential is much larger then the gear differential in the context of your total average game played in PVP

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It's nice to have a discussion about gear vs skill, but at the end of the day, that's not what most people are complaining about. People are unhappy about summoners and jumping. SE has confirmed that they are planning to adjust both in 2.15, but the damage has been done. FFXIV is primarily a PvE focused game, so the PvP community was small to begin with... everyday it gets smaller and smaller.

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Originally Posted by Mitski

Truth truth truth

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Mitski has it right on all counts. @OP, you are a little...deluded if you think this system is perfectly fine.

You also left out the fact that BLM/WHM 30sec > 15 sec > 7 sec > 4 sec sleep can easily win the match before it even begins.

Mitski speaks truth.

I didn't expect to see White Knighting THIS late into the game.

Don't see how the valid points from people such as Mitski have anything to do with "getting shit on by better players".

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Originally Posted by Kicoe

Don't see how the valid points from people such as Mitski have anything to do with "getting shit on by better players".

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Because it's far easier to just tell someone "UR AWFUL N BAD N U SUCK" rather than try to refute their points.

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Originally Posted by deezss

Seems like you are getting shit on by better players, OH WELL

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Farming people who don't have 90 gear does not make you good at the game.

well basically, the thread is directed at you djlovedrop. Since you do farm people in your rank 30 gear, and global people with your broken class all day. Bunny hopping? You guys were one of the first teachers to spread it across our data center.

Many of the broken things mentioned in PVP are embodied by our fellow eorzean Dj lovedrop right here!

Mitski made a mention of summoners (double summoner comps) and jumping, ask this fellow dj how it works!

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Originally Posted by deezss

people(with classes and time) like Dj for example, abuse the system and make it hard for new people to come in.

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is also r30

hue

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Farming people who don't have 90 gear does not make you good at the game.

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absolutely right! I did not do summoner team comps in my defense though!

There is a difference between "you being good" and "you being carried"

Judging from your very basic replies that lack any form of intelligence, I can see you are "being carried"
You provided nothing informative in any of your post other than "you just suck" stating to me you have very little idea about anything PvP related.

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Originally Posted by Varhaatus

There is a difference between "you being good" and "you being carried"

Judging from your very basic replies that lack any form of intelligence, I can see you are "being carried"
You provided nothing informative in any of your post other than "you just suck" stating to me you have very little idea about anything PvP related.

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Originally Posted by LongNu

Farming people who don't have 90 gear does not make you good at the game.

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http://i.imgur.com/Mh5qIcS.gif

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Originally Posted by deezss

well basically, the thread is directed at you djlovedrop. Since you do farm people in your rank 30 gear, and global people with your broken class all day. Bunny hopping? You guys were one of the first teachers to spread it across our data center.

I retract my statement, people like Dj lovedrop are the reasons why pvp system is broken and unenjoyable. Many of the broken things mentioned in PVP are embodied by our fellow eorzean Dj lovedrop right here!

Mitski made a mention of summoners (double summoner comps) and jumping, I just pointed out a player that emobidied these lovely qualities!

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funny. There was a bunny hopper thread were people named everyone they saw bunny hopping. You were the first person to be mention and then mentioned over and over. I however wasn't mentioned once. This thread is just troll

Oh you were mentioned, just like you are being mentioned again. Buuuuuuuuuuuuddy. But to be fair, you didn't have to bunnyhop as much when you ran double summoner in rank 30 gear early on. I'll give you that, because most melee dps just died before you could start jumping. Congrats !

lol like i said troll thread.

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Originally Posted by Clessx

Thx for destroying me while I was solo queing :(
Double smn? really? ><

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Originally Posted by Djlovedrop

:D Had to play some quick matches during my lunch break!

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pretty troll ranks 1-30 with double summoner

Be careful with calling names on forums. :(

Oh please, get off your high horse... your logic in this post is false to any person who has pvped a decent amount. To simply say bards only benefit from bunny hopping is a very untrue statement (casters don't just stand still and cast spells all day, they move + jump). You've posted false information defending certain people and accusing people of bunny hoping just to play favorites. People have seen you group regularly with double summoner it's even in your video which is hilarious.

This thread initially was to inform newer users or people who are discouraged to be more pro-active in their pvp to have a better experience(read work-arounds). Why is their experience sour...well because of players like you...I tried to defend r30 players and say there is a larger skill differential but seeing the double summoner comp and jumping fiasco, its been hard for many players to play through this and enjoy the content.

So please, spare the snobbery, truth hurts bro.

Edit: This post is directed at Djlovedrop, his previous post "List of 10 things why deezss is wrong, and DjLoveDrop is the best" was taken due to him smelling too many of his own miasma farts resulting in poor forum posts.

came in here for a good read saw the words skill... LOL no thx jeff

Actually most Rank 30s are fatigued after they hit Rank 30. Even on my server most of use solo queue just for shit and giggles and in between-s waiting for something else. And you can't really blame someone who wants to play with his or her friend who just so happens to be a Summoner. It is your fault if you want to queue solo and expect 66%+ win rate. I did exactly that to Rank 30, I've seen my fair share of SMN SCH Zombie comp.

Whining doesn't help, get a group or bite it through. You're telling people to not make use of the hard work they have gone through, their 1500+ games mean nothing (Mine was 2200+ games). In fact I'm not that stressed out now of losing since hitting Rank 30 be it that my opponents were 70pvp 90pvp or just full PvE. Let me just ask you one simple question deezss, how many games have you played thus far? And what is your win percentage? If you barely played 500 matches I suggest you giving up now or don't take a serious approach for PvP, cause you'd be in for a long-haul if your willpower broke before 500games.

I came for the drama, its good stuff :P

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Originally Posted by TaneshimaPopura

Actually most Rank 30s are fatigued after they hit Rank 30. Even on my server most of use solo queue just for shit and giggles and in between-s waiting for something else. And you can't really blame someone who wants to play with his or her friend who just so happens to be a Summoner. It is your fault if you want to queue solo and expect 66%+ win rate. I did exactly that to Rank 30, I've seen my fair share of SMN SCH Zombie comp.

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lmfao so true. I feel like I hardly see any fellow rank 30's PvPing as much. Pretty much just solo queue occasionaly, maybe play with a group for an hour or so. Sometimes put back on ilvl 55/70 pvp gear just for fun (ofc I'm still gonna wear my i90 pvp wep =P)

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Originally Posted by Sigvaldus

I came for the drama, its good stuff :P

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Indubitably.

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Originally Posted by Djlovedrop

So since I have a +90% win rate against you makes you a shitty player player right? Oh and thats me adding solo que games also. Please enlighten us more. I mean you cannot say that I won because of my gear since you stated the gear gap doesn't make a difference. Its skill > gear. So before you make yourself look silly on the forums just stop talking shit to people when you bunny hop. Thanks and hope you have a great day!

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^This guy running summoner rank 30 talking shit LoL...Dj why you deleting your previous posts? It's okay to be you, show the community who you are.

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Originally Posted by LongNu

Farming people who don't have 90 gear does not make you good at the game.

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Sooooooooooo muchhhhhhhhh angerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...

If u want better PVP, play Aion.

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Originally Posted by ToffeeCoffee

If u want better PVP, play Aion.

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Lol, no. You're better off playing a MOBA.

Pfft, MOBAs.

Just go do MMA for the best PvP.

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Post in forums. BEST PVP EVER! And Balanced!