Stop crying about PVP

[deezss]

Edit: Mitski is right I believe, I believe his points are incredibly valid at this point....I think about Djlovedrop(double summoner comps), the jumping and his summoner crew...then I remember what a large part of the community is frustrated with!

It's nice to have a discussion about gear vs skill, but at the end of the day, that's not what most people are complaining about. People are unhappy about summoners and jumping. SE has confirmed that they are planning to adjust both in 2.15

There is nothing inherently broken about the PVP system, generally the more coordinated teams and/or more skilled players will win at a much higher win percentage. The so called gear gap can be closed with crafted gear, ilvl 70 pieces are obtained relatively soon after. The learning curve is steep, there is huge rooms for improvement from learning your class and learning to play with your team mates and coordinating. In my opinion, skill differential is much larger then the gear differential in the context of your total average game played in PVP ( you aren't fighting rank 30's all the time, generally average gear level is below ilvl70 pvp gear)

I would suggest (if you do enjoy PVP) to learn the basics and flow of how the game is in level 30-40 ques, and if you really are stressed about gear, to obtain wolf marks there as well for the first 1 or 2 large pieces.

[deezss]

PVP is all relative, if you think you are running into teams that are too tough due to gear or the other teams being more coordinated then yours, drop down to the 40-30 lvl man ques, or take the time to assemble your own 3 man team in pvp...because that's what people who are winning at a perceived higher rate then you are, are DOING.

Final Note:
For new players getting into PVP there is definite progression in being better at PVP. Take time in the lower level ques or get crafted gear sets, make friends with people who would like to PVP and grow together, have fun figuring out how to beat the perceived "better geared players" I personally had tons of fun losing in certain matches when the games were competitive.

This isn't a race to get to level 30, its to have competitive games and to figure out how to beat your fellow Eorzeans into the ground more often then they beat you.

Edit:
I apologize for my previous immature statement, I too am frustrated by the summoners and jumping mechanics that have been abused by so many players in PVP! Let's petition to get those players/changes addressed!

Some people with high win percentages may disagree, alas they are rank 30 already

So since I have a +90% win rate against you makes you a shitty player player right? Oh and thats me adding solo que games also. Please enlighten us more. I mean you cannot say that I won because of my gear since you stated the gear gap doesn't make a difference. Its skill > gear. So before you make yourself look silly on the forums just stop talking shit to people when you bunny hop. Thanks and hope you have a great day!

^typical double summoner comp runner..eegads!

[mikoto_qc]

i kneel before you.

[deezss]

This is the first iteration of PVP implemented, and its pretty fun to me. Right now this PVP mode of 4v4 has a huge skill cap due to a small amount of players(each person makes a more significant impact in winning or losing), introduction of large based 8v8 and such would accomodate larger PVP player groups making it easier to smooth out skill differences in teams(Large rabble hitting the crap out of everything)

[Mitski]

I agree that skill (individual and team) is very important, and most players are a long way from realizing the full potential of their class. That being said, you've completely downplayed all the other issues.

The so called gear gap can be closed with crafted gear...

Each tier of gear is substantially better than the previous tiers. If you really think craft gear can "close the gap", then have your pre-made run full craft lv55 in the lv50 PvP bracket for night (no cheating with weapons, lv55 is good enough!). You will be obliterated.

...ilvl 70 pieces are obtained relatively soon after

@75% win it takes about 500 games to get a full set of lv70 gear, and if you're a new player, behind the gear curve, your win% will be much lower. @50% win it's ~650 games, and @33% it's ~800 games. You used subjective wording, but I think most players would not consider 800 games "relatively soon".

I would suggest (if you do enjoy PVP) to learn the basics and flow of how the game is in level 30-40 ques, and if you really are stressed about gear, to obtain wolf marks there...

There is a problem with the system, when the most viable option for a level 50 player is to que against level 30 players.

In my opinion, skill differential is much larger then the gear differential in the context of your total average game played in PVP

It's nice to have a discussion about gear vs skill, but at the end of the day, that's not what most people are complaining about. People are unhappy about summoners and jumping. SE has confirmed that they are planning to adjust both in 2.15, but the damage has been done. FFXIV is primarily a PvE focused game, so the PvP community was small to begin with... everyday it gets smaller and smaller.

[Braxy]

Truth truth truth

Mitski has it right on all counts. @OP, you are a little...deluded if you think this system is perfectly fine.

You also left out the fact that BLM/WHM 30sec > 15 sec > 7 sec > 4 sec sleep can easily win the match before it even begins.

[LongNu]

Mitski speaks truth.

[Fyreus]

I didn't expect to see White Knighting THIS late into the game.

[Kicoe]

Don't see how the valid points from people such as Mitski have anything to do with "getting shit on by better players".

[Quackley]

Don't see how the valid points from people such as Mitski have anything to do with "getting shit on by better players".

Because it's far easier to just tell someone "UR AWFUL N BAD N U SUCK" rather than try to refute their points.