Change Ct Immediately

Crystal Tower is a fun raid in which you can earn 200 tomes of phil and 50 myth tomes. This is fine. I propose that CT be changed to limit 1 item per class per week and 450 myth per class per week. I would like to play all classes but at one item per week with 8 classes would take over 80 weeks, or roughly a year and a half. By that time the gear will be useless as there will be new teirs. Please change Crystal Tower immediately. Sure I could have 8 different charecters, and so could my friends. That would be really hard to keep up with though. I have a hard time remembering all the friends I have. To multiply that by 8 would be insane.

I don't think the intent was to gear all your characters in CT loot. Filler pieces are good, maybe you want for vanity slots?

You are correct i would rather have the item level 90 gear which can be purchased with tomes of myth. In order to do this I farm CT for myth, which I max out every Monday. This leaves me bored the rest of the week, and. I am still looking at over 80 weeks to gear all classes. If i had 8 different toons I could achieve this goal in 10 weeks. So I am still faced with a dilema of only 450 tomes of myth per charecter per week, and 8 separate classes to gear.

Myth tomes are just fine where they're at IMO.

Though I would be ok with allowing 1 need roll and 1 greed roll per week. So you could Need for your primary class and have a choice for a greed roll on a secondary class or just try for another piece from your main class.

If you think you're bored now, what happenes when you gear all 8 of your classes in i80/i90 within 4 weeks, what then.

Sounds like you got plenty of time to waste lol

You can run coil too for i90 pieces. The game is meant to be played over years, not weeks or months.

The idea is to put your jobs in darklight and then do ct and coil once a week while collecting myth. You could actually get your ct gear for one job, put your myth towards another job, and do coil for another job. You just got gear for 3 or more jobs in one week! Not to mention all the darklight your be swimming in!

As long as the rng were not to harsh on you it wouldn't take very long since some of the coil gear is interchangeable between jobs like smn and blm, the tanks, healers.

I'm not really seeing your complaint.

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

Sounds like you got plenty of time to waste lol

You can run coil too for i90 pieces. The game is meant to be played over years, not weeks or months.

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What would keep a player interested for years if there isn't a continual progression? If the game never changes and always remains the same there will be many people who play for a few months and then become bored with the game and cancel subscription. This has happened to many other mmo's. It is replies like the last two I got that seriously make me want to cancel my subscription. There is no need to be smug in replies.

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Originally Posted by Pinworms

The idea is to put your jobs in darklight and then do ct and coil once a week while collecting myth. You could actually get your ct gear for one job, put your myth towards another job, and do coil for another job. You just got gear for 3 or more jobs in one week! Not to mention all the darklight your be swimming in!

As long as the rng were not to harsh on you it wouldn't take very long since some of the coil gear is interchangeable between jobs like smn and blm, the tanks, healers.

I'm not really seeing your complaint.

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Thank you for the excellent feedback.

Don't forget the EX Primals as well for your accessories. There's no cap to those just RNG love::hate so you can save your Myth for getting the spots that coil/CT isn't filling each week.

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Originally Posted by Lordfurious

What would keep a player interested for years if there isn't a continual progression?

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Except its been out officially, for what, 4 months? There has only been one major patch, and the next one is around the corner. Seems like SE doing an OK job at adding new content. Pinworms' suggestion is good, though I could only add that maybe you should focus on one or 2 jobs. Gearing one class in complete CT (particularly tank, and maybe DPS) you will not have enough accuracy for coil. So it would kind of be a waste to completely gear a tank that you can't run in some content. I think some people had said the same thing about Allagan loot from coil, they couldn't wear it in coil because of accuracy. Obviously whatever content you are running will dictate, but the best gear sets are mixed pieces of myth/allagan/ct.

Some bad maths in here: CT only drops 36 pieces of gear total (6 gear sets consisting of head, body, hands, belt, legs and feet) in 30 weeks you could farm 5 of the gear sets, purchase all the myth accessories and gear out your main job entirely in myth. That's assuming you don't get any extreme mode accessories in the process or any coil gear at all. If your main happens to be a class that shares i80 pieces (tank, healer or caster) then you can add an additional 3 weeks to be entirely geared in i80-90 gear on every single job. 30-33 weeks=/=80 weeks by any math. If you factor in coil loots at roughly 1 drop every 2 weeks, this goes down to more like 24 weeks to be full i90 on 2 classes and i80 with i90 accessories on everything else (assuming rng doesn't hate you and gear you need actually drops).

Would be nice if it stuck to the 1 need roll a week, but the greed roll reset daily. Would also keep you from being screwed for the week if you didn't pass in time.

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Originally Posted by seraseth

Would be nice if it stuck to the 1 need roll a week, but the greed roll reset daily. Would also keep you from being screwed for the week if you didn't pass in time.

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But it would allow 8 man pre mades to farm for full gear sets in a less than a week.

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Originally Posted by Caraway

Don't forget the EX Primals as well for your accessories. There's no cap to those just RNG love::hate so you can save your Myth for getting the spots that coil/CT isn't filling each week.

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Thank you I did not know that.

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Originally Posted by Noahlimits

But it would allow 8 man pre mades to farm for full gear sets in a less than a week.

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And the amount of people who actually do full 8 man pre-mades and farm ct are probably a faaar smaller % than the rest of the population who would benefit.

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Originally Posted by Lordfurious

Crystal Tower is a fun raid in which you can earn 200 tomes of phil and 50 myth tomes. This is fine. I propose that CT be changed to limit 1 item per class per week and 450 myth per class per week. I would like to play all classes but at one item per week with 8 classes would take over 80 weeks, or roughly a year and a half. By that time the gear will be useless as there will be new teirs. Please change Crystal Tower immediately. Sure I could have 8 different charecters, and so could my friends. That would be really hard to keep up with though. I have a hard time remembering all the friends I have. Tomultiply that by 8 would be insane.

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Uh. How is it 80 weeks? Tanks, Healers and Casters share gear, so while there are 9 jobs, there are only 6 sets. The sets contain 6 pieces, as there is no jewelry, so it is 6 weeks per gearset and 36 weeks overall. So it would take only a month and a half to have a rather well geared class, that is without taking into consideration BiS of Myth body pieces and Coil gear.

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

Gearing one class in complete CT (particularly tank, and maybe DPS) you will not have enough accuracy for coil.

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I was never suggesting gearing completely in ct gear, buth rather myth gear, which is currently top teir.

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Originally Posted by Magnesium02

Uh. How is it 80 weeks? Tanks, Healers and Casters share gear, so while there are 9 jobs, there are only 6 sets. The sets contain 6 pieces, as there is no jewelry, so it is 6 weeks per gearset and 36 weeks overall. So it would take only a month and a half to have a rather well geared class, that is without taking into consideration BiS of Myth body pieces and Coil gear.

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I was counting accessories as well as part of the myth gear.

Don't you run Binding Coil or Extreme primals? The average BiS for each class is a mix of all i90 pieces. You wouldn't want to buy a full myth tome set as it is a waste when there are better gears for certain slots. Yes it is partially RNG based, but if you run CT so much then you have i80 or crafted philo item gears.

And why are you looking at all 9 jobs? Do you play every single class on a weekly basis? Why not just focus on 2-3 to gear at one time? Spend myth on your main, CT gear your sub and darklight/philo craft gear for anything else.

Sounds like you have time to burn.

If so, why not just make a whole new character? Thats right, a whole new character. Level it to 50 and you can now do twice as many CT, coils, whatevers before you are bored, and gear twice as fast.

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Originally Posted by Lordfurious

Crystal Tower is a fun raid in which you can earn 200 tomes of phil and 50 myth tomes. This is fine. I propose that CT be changed to limit 1 item per class per week and 450 myth per class per week. I would like to play all classes but at one item per week with 8 classes would take over 80 weeks, or roughly a year and a half. By that time the gear will be useless as there will be new teirs. Please change Crystal Tower immediately. Sure I could have 8 different charecters, and so could my friends. That would be really hard to keep up with though. I have a hard time remembering all the friends I have. To multiply that by 8 would be insane.

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There are 6 CT sets, with 6 pieces each.
Therefore possible to get all CT gear within 36 weeks.

Man .... Pace yourself.

the Myth Cap isn't a Race dude. No Need to cap all 450 in a day. It'll still be available to cap Tuesday, even Sunday...

Need to sprinkle in some PvP, EX Mode Primals and some Coil into that CT grind...

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Or work toward your Relic on that WAR of yours .... how are you bored again?

Also your WHM needs THM leveled for Swift Cast. I see a lot of things you could be working on.

And you don't have all DoW/DoM to 50 nor any DoL/DoH Leveled.

Idk, I don't get the point of capping i80 gear. Its all kinda awful, and none of it best in slot. What difference does it make if someone has one class or 7 classes in full i80, its still not i90.

To be frank I don't get the point of ANY gear gates anymore. They made sense at launch, but enough time has passed that you can be full i90 on a class with nothing but myths. The maximum vertical distance (highest geared main class vs highest geared main class) for the most hardcore and the average casual that just caps myth each week is now down to Allagan weapons alone. The initial concern was to prevent hardcores from getting desperately far ahead on their primary classes, but now every play could / should have a single i90 class. What difference does it make if "hardcores" want 1 or 7 i90 classes? As it is I have two i90 classes and 4 i80 classes. Gear gates are just frustrating for players that have more play time.

And, realistically, there will always be another item to get. The Primal Pony, that one ifrit ex wristlet you don't have yet, etc etc. Luminaries, etc. I just don't understand the point of preventing me from playing content.

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Originally Posted by PiedPiper

I just don't understand the point of preventing me from playing content.

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I've never understood it either.

The gear is untradeable, so it's not going to ruin the economy.

It's not open-world PvP, so you don't have to worry about bored completely maxed out players griefing in lowbie zones.

If a maniac player wants to run Coil/CT 50 times in a week and max everything out... why not let them?



I really don't understand it. It's not like SE collects money every time you log in, so why create gates that force people to log in once a week to hit artifical caps they implemented?

If people are going to get bored and leave, they are going to get bored and leave. Preventing them from rushing through everything before new content is released (by setting up gates) isn't really accomplishing anything.

Most of those people will be right back when the next tier of gear is released. If they had previously cancelled their subscriptions, they will re-up, to become max level once again.


It's SE's world and they can do whatever they want, I don't really understand it though.

(I do understand limiting the dailies and leves, because they impact the gil-flow into the world. Limiting looting on non-tradeable items? I don't really get it.)

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Originally Posted by seraseth

And the amount of people who actually do full 8 man pre-mades and farm ct are probably a faaar smaller % than the rest of the population who would benefit.

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Disagree. It would also allow anyone to farm a complete gear sets in a week (if you have a lot of free time). Gear progression isn't supposed to work that way.

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Originally Posted by Noahlimits

Disagree. It would also allow anyone to farm a complete gear sets in a week (if you have a lot of free time). Gear progression isn't supposed to work that way.

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Why not? A lucky tank could go into coil and leave with...

Body, Neck; Belt Legs; Hands; Wrists. Just off the 4 really easy turns. Just as many pieces as each CT set has.

And its not at all uncommon for all teh drops for a single class to go to a single player in a static.

That same week spend their myth on a helm to go with the body and boots from ct for the legs and poof. Full i90/i80 right side in a week where you started in darklight.


Note: I have seen this scenario play out for a blm where they got all possible drops in 1-4 in a week.

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Originally Posted by PiedPiper

Why not? A lucky tank could go into coil and leave with...

Body, Neck; Belt Legs; Hands; Wrists. Just off the 4 really easy turns. Just as many pieces as each CT set has.

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any time one player gets that lucky, by default it means the other 7 that went with him are hugely unlucky.

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Originally Posted by SendohJin

any time one player gets that lucky, by default it means the other 7 that went with him are hugely unlucky.

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Just pointing out that getting a gear set in a week isn't fundamentally opposed to what gear progression is all about.


Besides... we are talking about i80 gear not i90. CT gear is trash / alt gear, not main class progression gear.

You lost credibility at 450 myths.

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Originally Posted by Noahlimits

Disagree. It would also allow anyone to farm a complete gear sets in a week (if you have a lot of free time). Gear progression isn't supposed to work that way.

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Why not though?

There is no open world PvP, there is no trading of ilvl 90 stuff (since it's all unique/untradeable).

If someone wants to insanely run Coil and CT over and over and over again... why shouldn't they be able too?

Personally, I wouldn't do this, but, if someone wanted too? Why not? Who are they hurting?

(If, in the future, SE does implement open world PvP and/or tradeable BiS items I will retract my viewpoint on this.)

Right now though... what is SE really trying to prevent, outside of players spending more time in-game playing through content?


I say let the maniacs spend 40-50 hours a week running through the same raid over and over again if they want.

Outside of seeing them running around in their gear, it doesn't impact me in any way.


You can say PvP would become unbalanced... but how? You can only play as one class at the same time. Having 5 classes with all ilvl 90 stuff doesn't give someone an edge over a player who focused on getting one class to ilvl 90.


EDIT: Someone in another thread about the same topic said, "the cap is to prevent hardcore players from having a huge gap over newcomers".

I would argue that the cap has the opposite effect. It basically ensures that newcomers will be "x" amount of pieces/loot behind "hardcores/OG's", until such time that the cap is lifted.

I think that's kind of counterintuitive. Why cripple recent players in that regard and basically tell them, "no matter how many hours you put into the game... you will be unable to surpass someone who started a month before you, because of artificial caps that we placed into the game"?


Meh, I'm not losing any sleep over any of this. It's just puzzling to me.