Why MMO gamers are the hardest to please...

Everyone says MMOs are games. I don't think they are. Let's compare MMO gamers to the rest of the world.

I've never heard complaints that baseball needs more content.

I've never heard of RMTs on Call of Duty.

Millions of people around the world pay $10 and up for a movie, we complain about $15 a month.

I've never heard of someone going to an all you can eat buffet and complaining there's not enough desert.

Seriously, is it really "just a game"? We live in an age where you pay $60 for a 10-100 hour game. Has anyone here not had at least 10 -100 hours of fun?

you just gave us a list of your opinions.
now what?

baseball does need more content. They need to add materia melding to the bats.

What was the point of this again?

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Originally Posted by Sayori

you just gave us a list of your opinions.
now what?

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Actually, I was going for humorous shot of perspective. I see a lot of complaining on here like FFXIV was South Park's end of the world... of warcraft. I see people writing rage quit posts and all sorts of things that imply FFXIV is more than a game. I'm just wondering why people are so emotional. You paid $60 it came with the first month.. you played a heck of a lot longer than you did, half the games on xone, ps4 and it's predecessors... Why so much complaining. Room for improvement? Always, but less whine more constructive. That's what.

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Originally Posted by deekapowski

Actually, I was going for humorous shot of perspective. I see a lot of complaining on here like FFXIV was South Park's end of the world... of warcraft. I see people writing rage quit posts and all sorts of things that imply FFXIV is more than a game. I'm just wondering why people are so emotional. You paid $60 it came with the first month.. you played a heck of a lot longer than you did, half the games on xone, ps4 and it's predecessors... Why so much complaining. Room for improvement? Always, but less whine more constructive. That's what.

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If all humans were like you and accept the status quo for what it is, we'd still be in the caves. Humans evolve because of our complaints and our needs. Video games are no different.

MLB and NFL changes its rules every year. You're probably just not aware of the changes because they do not release patch notes for baseball. Customers complain about food selection at buffets all the time. CoD accounts do get powerleveled all the time, though they're not sold often because they have no value. People do sell XBLive or Steam accounts though.

Try getting some real world experience in these things before you come onto a forum spouting on about topics you clearly have no first-hand experience in.

But they did add more content to Baseball:
http://i.imgur.com/ZcqMq7L.png

Also, CoD does have RMT as do most other competitive shooters, it just goes by the name "micro-transactions" there.

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Everyone says MMOs are games.

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Then they are wrong. MMO is just the game environment.

10 years ago, I would have told you that mmorpgs were a tool rather than a game.

You can do many things with a deck of cards. You can play many different games, you can do magic trick, you can show off how you're so good at shuffling cards in impressive ways, heck you can even try to predict the future lol

I used to consider a mmo, like Amberion said, as an environment.

I'm not too sure about that anymore, in more recent generation mmos.
I believe it's still partially true, but much less so. Not sure if it's an evolution of the mmos themselves, or of the population playing them (probably a bit of both).

Nah meant more that MMO is an enviorment, what ever you tack on to it after that is the game type. Like, MMORPG, MMORTS....

But I like your way of thinking also. :)

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Originally Posted by deekapowski

Seriously, is it really "just a game"? We live in an age where you pay $60 for a 10-100 hour game. Has anyone here not had at least 10 -100 hours of fun?

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MMO players invest so much time into the game, they begin to think they actually own some of what they're playing. It may take 1 year, it may take 7 years. But sooner or later it becomes apparent that they owned absolutely nothing when the game finally closes down and are denied playing alltogther.

But then they start another MMO and it doesn't sink in, they keep trying to spend their money playing the best game ever instead of just enjoying the service they're paying for.


It's all about time. MMOs are made to take it from you, and it pisses people off to no end when it suddenly isn't sinking their time in the same way they want it to. So they jump on a forum board and bitch about what needs to be changed.

Why Apples are hard to please:
1.) Oranges
2.) Bananas
3.) Pineapples
4.) Pears

You see more whine posts then constructive posts because it's not the customers job to improve the buyers product/business for them. Customers give feedback on what they did or in most cases didn't like about the product and the business owner can use this information as they see fit.

Baseball is more like PVP so it doesn't need more content.

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Originally Posted by Doo

Baseball is more like PVP so it doesn't need more content.

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They should really reduce some of the timers between activities. Only 1 minute for a reliever to warm up instead of two; faster queue time between batters; faster play resumption after foul balls... and they should finish fixin jump!

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Originally Posted by Peptaru

They should really reduce some of the timers between activities. Only 1 minute for a reliever to warm up instead of two; faster queue time between batters; faster play resumption after foul balls... and they should finish fixin jump!

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It's definitely unbalance. Gotta get it as balanced as football.

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Originally Posted by deekapowski

Actually, I was going for humorous shot of perspective. I see a lot of complaining on here like FFXIV was South Park's end of the world... of warcraft. I see people writing rage quit posts and all sorts of things that imply FFXIV is more than a game. I'm just wondering why people are so emotional. You paid $60 it came with the first month.. you played a heck of a lot longer than you did, half the games on xone, ps4 and it's predecessors... Why so much complaining. Room for improvement? Always, but less whine more constructive. That's what.

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Ohhhhhh I get it. I see, your here because you can't handle legitimate complaints for an mmo. You do realize what forums are for right? *sigh*

We don't need more 'desert'. We need 'dessert'.
Can't help it :p

People can become emotionally attached to any game, not just MMORPGs.

What makes us different is that MMORPGs constantly update with new content. MMOs are larger games so there's a lot more to talk about. There's usually a storyline that updates frequently so role-players and loremaniacs pick it apart for the sake of knowledge; Game elements are added and tweaked; Competitive play is tweaked and balanced constantly, pissing off anyone who plays a class that gets debuffed as a result of simply appeasing the status quo; The raiding community's unrest intensifies when they inevitably run out of things to do, foaming at the mouth over the gear treadmill put in place to prevent them from complaining all the time, which doesn't work since they do so regardless.

But in the end, forumgoers are an angry minority. The majority of people who don't complain simply don't go on the forums. They play the game and live their lives. The community at large shouldn't be judged by those who yell the loudest. It's the same as believing that the loud prejudiced rants of hard-right Republicans reflect the collective opinion of the entire country. It doesn't. They just yell a lot. People who go on MMO forums do the same.

People complain about anything, needing little basis beyond "this isn't what I want." Not sure why we needed a label on it to rebrand it as an MMO-exclusive phenomenon.

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Originally Posted by deekapowski

I've never heard of RMTs on Call of Duty.

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This is actually probably the worst example. I don't even play that game and I know people buying max rank is actually a prevalent problem in every game they come out with.

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Originally Posted by Archona

If all humans were like you and accept the status quo for what it is, we'd still be in the caves. Humans evolve because of our complaints and our needs. Video games are no different.

MLB and NFL changes its rules every year. You're probably just not aware of the changes because they do not release patch notes for baseball. Customers complain about food selection at buffets all the time. CoD accounts do get powerleveled all the time, though they're not sold often because they have no value. People do sell XBLive or Steam accounts though.


Try getting some real world experience in these things before you come onto a forum spouting on about topics you clearly have no first-hand experience in.

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1. I think you're missing the point. There is a difference between accepting things as they are, striving for change, and simply complaining/whining. MLK, Ghandi, Mother Teresa (to name a few) did not whine. He gathered some people and said "don't you agree?" Please help me find where they said things were "stupid", "waste" or verbally assaulted those who made/maintained said policies.

2. I find it proving my point that this post has received more views (and replies) than all my other suggestion posts.. Why is it easier and more fascinating for people to be negative than constructive?

3. Just for reference, I've traveled across 2/3 the world.. I think I'm good on real world experience, but once again you are proving my point. And I would consider changing a rule to be vastly different than "adding new content" but that's just me.. If they add a fourth base to baseball or added an extra football you had to get across the line, that would be closer to "adding content", not deciding how to use instant replay. I haven't played much CoD, but I'm pretty sure I never got a popup saying I could buy a million game dollars for $19.95.

At the end of the day I guess I'm saying it's "amazing" how people feel how the fact it's the internet frees them from being polite. I've seen people be vocal about their dislike all the time, but not so much where it worked out for them. There's a man suing the NFL right now about the high price of Super Bowl tickets... Not going well for him, but at least he got some press because he didn't just stand in front of a stadium, scream some obscenities and walk away, or start yelling at the NFL fans. So why not bring more than a "I don't like" , bring ideas and civility. That's all. Have a nice day.

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

This is actually probably the worst example. I don't even play that game and I know people buying max rank is actually a prevalent problem in every game they come out with.

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Fair point, but I was refering to how RMTs on MMOs are a constant threat to the in game economy...

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Originally Posted by deekapowski

1. I think you're missing the point. There is a difference between accepting things as they are, striving for change, and simply complaining/whining. MLK, Ghandi, Mother Teresa (to name a few) did not whine. He gathered some people and said "don't you agree?" Please help me find where they said things were "stupid", "waste" or verbally assaulted those who made/maintained said policies.

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We cannot continue this conversation until you stop comparing yourself to MLK and Ghandi. They fought against social injustices and crimes against humanity. We're talking about improving a business, a game developer's product in a virtual setting.

Because angry profane and unconstructive comments totally help improve the product

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Originally Posted by Archona

If all humans were like you and accept the status quo for what it is, we'd still be in the caves. Humans evolve because of our complaints and our needs. Video games are no different.

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Originally Posted by Archona

We cannot continue this conversation until you stop comparing yourself to MLK and Ghandi. They fought against social injustices and crimes against humanity. We're talking about improving a business, a game developer's product in a virtual setting.

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I, for one, will miss your epic contributions to the thread... all one of them. Also, I don't see any comparison by that poster between him- or herself and those people, just a paralleled approach to problem solving. To support their point as well, I can't recall any time when any of those three people said things to insult those whom they protested...

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Originally Posted by Archona

We cannot continue this conversation until you stop comparing yourself to MLK and Ghandi. They fought against social injustices and crimes against humanity. We're talking about improving a business, a game developer's product in a virtual setting.

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I'm not comparing myself to these people at all... You're right. These people made effectively world wide changes... Please give me an example of a person who changed a product who wasn't part of a company, but made evoked change in a product and I will gladly use it, but it's easier to go over the top (part of my point) than to pinpoint.

And thank you Peptaru for understanding...

(side note: My post with constructive ideas 8 replies post saying people should be use perspective when criticizing 20+.)