Can we eventually disperse Rage of Halone into multiple skills?

As new content comes out, and old content gets nerfed, can we start fancying the thought of making Rage of Halone less of a "do it all." Either that, or finish the Riot Blade combo, and make MP a scarce resource.

I honestly don't mind Tanking every boss, perfectly still, facing away from the party. But AT LEAST give me some thought process in my combo. I mean it's really not a hard choice:

Utility, Halone
Strength, Halone
Enmity, Halone

At least WARs have to use Main every 12 seconds. This is why there's a GD thread talking about how it's impossible to lose aggro in this game if you tried, because there are 0 opportunity costs to using the threat generation skills.

Sounds to me like what you want to do is play a Warrior (I've been wanting to say that for a while now).

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Originally Posted by Paikis

Sounds to me like what you want to do is play a Warrior (I've been wanting to say that for a while now).

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Ehh warrior isn't that much better IMO. Paladin is 100x more fun if the bosses can be CC'd, but Halone's OP-ness and Riot Blade's god awfulness has been pissing me off since I was level 26 (and I made a post then, and everyone told me I couldn't talk about balance because of my level. Now I come in here, level 50, and I see multiple "paladin is underdeveloped" threads.)

I don't see any reason to change Rage of Halone, but it would be nice if SE added a 3rd step to the Riot Blade combo.

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Originally Posted by Mitski

I don't see any reason to change Rage of Halone

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You would have trouble adding a basic trait to Halone that it doesn't already have. Look at the inverse, to my WAR players: how would you feel if SE said they were getting rid of Maim and adding the effect to Skull Sunder? It's the same thing. Too much power on one skill, narrowing the gameplay and decision making.

decision making is an illusion. there is no choice here. yes warrior may have to hit "more buttons" but its still the same rotation over and over. for me its 1,2,3 1,4,5 1,4,6 ,1,2,3. PLD is 1,2,3 1,2,3 1,2,3. I do not see anything there that makes 1 class more engaging over the other. No real choice in the rotations. You dont need alot of skills on the skill bar to make a boss fight or a role to be engaging. More buttons to mash =/= engaging. coil is part of the way there. With us having to interrupt ( unless group takes 2 bards) and tank swaps. the hard thing about making the tank job more engaging in fights if we have to move all over to do different things then melee dps cant do their job. Its a hard thing to balance.

Splitting the functionality of RoH up presents a *lot* of problems. WAR gets away with separating the functionality of its combos because it's been designed as such. The "utility" combos both generate laughable enmity compared to the high enmity combo but make up for it by increasing the enmity that the high enmity combo generates (by increasing their damage). If Maim did something *other* than increase damage, you'd see much the same issue with WAR as you currently see on PLD. The Maim combos justify the loss of direct enmity to end up being a net increase to enmity generated indirectly.

Any reduction in the effectiveness of the PLD rotation has to be made up for elsewhere. If you want to require PLDs to use a low enmity combo every 2 combos, you have to increase the total enmity of the high enmity combo by ~20-25% to make up for the imposed loss. The problem with this is that, if you increase the enmity of RoH by 30%, you're just making the RoH combo more attractive. Unless you simply copy the Maim model that WAR uses, you would have to make the benefit of the low enmity combo so huge that no PLD would ever want to go without it. At that point, you end up just making PLD stronger, which upsets the balance structure (since a 10% reduction in STR isn't really a massive boon).

PLD just isn't built to use more than one combo for tanking. About the only thing that you *could* do, without simply copying WAR, is to make it so that PLD actually has a legitimate reason to use Shield Swipe while tanking by giving it a high enmity modifier. At the very least, it would change up the PLD rotation by adding in an element of randomness.

The only thing pld needs to me is a 1 charge instant cast stoneskin or cure. Your choice on proc. Make it like a 5~15% chance on shield block. That would make 123 a lot less noticeable.

Also to keep it from affecting sheild size choice it could be 5 for small shields and increase in proc rate as the size goes up. I would have just edited my post but there is no edit button I can find on my phone

Make Shield Swipe generate enmity.

There. At least I can see something fancy after every halone

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Originally Posted by Kitru

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Not really, you guys are talking as if, if RoH wasn't the strongest combo there would still be incentive to use it once you've gained enough aggro. You can't lose aggro on pally, you just can't. You would have to choose between enmity and damage, and know when you can pass up some enmity rotations and when you can't. Aggro is ridiculous easy to hold in this game.

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Originally Posted by Jubez187

Not really, you guys are talking as if, if RoH wasn't the strongest combo there would still be incentive to use it once you've gained enough aggro. You can't lose aggro on pally, you just can't. You would have to choose between enmity and damage, and know when you can pass up some enmity rotations and when you can't. Aggro is ridiculous easy to hold in this game.

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Besides everything, you can´t lose Aggro on an WAR either

Changing halone would mean we would need a stronger AoE enmity generator, because flash isn't good enough on its own in certain fights. (Turn 4). Rage of halone is good as is be because we don't have overpower.

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Originally Posted by Jubez187

Look at the inverse, to my WAR players: how would you feel if SE said they were getting rid of Maim and adding the effect to Skull Sunder?

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As an outsider that got turnd off from WAR because of how Maim doesn't mesh well with overall aggro generation, I would welcome such a change and willingly level my MRD past 30.

PS: Leave PLD alone.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

As an outsider that got turnd off from WAR because of how Maim doesn't mesh well with overall aggro generation, I would welcome such a change and willingly level my MRD past 30.

PS: Leave PLD alone.

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It makes me sad to see there are people who actually want less out of a bland job.

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Originally Posted by Curcio

It makes me sad to see there are people who actually want less out of a bland job.

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Wasting 2 GCDs applying Maim to maximize hate generation doesn't mesh well with the rest of the rotations for MRD/WAR. This became even more evident when I saw DPS couldn't wait to start unloading. I just chose to save myself a headache by not playing MRD/WAR.

Besides, in all honesty if you're going to implement something like Maim, I'd tie it to Fracture since spending one GCD allows you to get back into generating aggro faster over spending 2 GCDs where you're not maximizing threat output.

Options and being able to adapt your play to the situation are horrible. Give me 1-2-3 or give me death!


nerf paladin

Maybe it's because I like to type nonsense between combos, but I'm not bothered by it in the least, and I tend to break my combo up all the time because I stop to stoneskin other players, especially the other tank.

Plus Halone is single target only, so in dungeons with AoE happy dps, Halone alone isn't guaranteed hate. I have no idea what you guys are bored with... maybe try taking to the party while you're tanking just for the fun of it