DPS at End Game

I just wanted to see everyone's views and opinions regarding DPS classes at end game. What DPS class would you say is best to choose if I want to do consistent damage and at the same time enjoy? I currently have a Monk, Dragoon and Bard all close to level 50 but I am not sure which one to focus on fully at end game.

I also do not see alot of Monks at end game, is there a reason for this?

The general consensus is monk is best melee for single target damage, while dragoon has better aoe and doesn't rely as heavily on position damage. Bard is a must for any endgame group, as it supports your mage's and your melee's. Really anything's fine, just play what you enjoy.

Do bard for ur first endgame dps and learn the fights. When u master the fghts play melee if u need cha lenge

go with that you enjoy playing.
there's no best dps job.
a job isn't better than the person playing it, so dont expect to be pro-dps, just cause you go with what other ppls opinion of what is best.

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Originally Posted by Radacci

go with that you enjoy playing.
there's no best dps job.
a job isn't better than the person playing it, so dont expect to be pro-dps, just cause you go with what other ppls opinion of what is best.

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I enjoy them all the same to be honest and I'm very adept at all three of them which is why I asked the thread. Where did pro dps come into this lol?

Your criteria of "consistent damage" and "fun" can be achieved by any class played properly.

As others have said, play what you enjoy.

Get full darklight and relic for all these jobs, then look for a static raid group offering that u can play any of these jobs based on what group needs.

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Originally Posted by IzumiRaito

Get full darklight and relic for all these jobs, then look for a static raid group offering that u can play any of these jobs based on what group needs.

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Very good point, thanks

Either Monk or Dragoon are probably the most consistent of those three. Bards are proctastic in comparison, which may or may not suit well with your idea of consistence. Though admittedly, Monks and Dragoons have no procs whatsoever, when you think about it. :p Though I suppose there's also the issue of Bards being able to move and DPS all day long, as well... Ah, life is so complicated, isn't it?

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Originally Posted by ZeroRains

while dragoon has better aoe and doesn't rely as heavily on position damage.

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I find that an iffy statement. While it's true that Monks need to regularly switch between rear and flank for optimal damage, Dragoons can't use their Impulse Drive combo at all if they can't get behind their enemy for some reason. Monks just end up suffering from weaker attacks, rather than being completely locked out from a major debuff and DoT. :/ That said... I'd imagine a Monk who positions himself badly is going to mess up his DPS pretty hard. Those bonuses aren't particularly small, to be truthful. :p

Bard, You get to dodge stuff AND keep attacking

MNK requires the most technical skill/greatest reflexes... it's an insanely fun class.

Dragoon feels stale in comparison, and BRD is meh to me but that's just my opinion.

Tried all 3 at 50.

Honestly, I think the question would be, which one do you enjoy the most? if you have other dictate how you play the game, you're probably going to regret it later on.

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Originally Posted by Gesser

MNK requires the most technical skill/greatest reflexes... it's an insanely fun class.

Dragoon feels stale in comparison, and BRD is meh to me but that's just my opinion.

Tried all 3 at 50.

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I can say this is exactly how I feel right now. Monk is definitely the most fun out of the 3. It also feels like EVERYBODY is a Dragoon and Bard disappointed me due to the fact it wasnt what I thought it would turn out to be

Just like everyone said, whatever you have the most fun with.........

BUT!!!

I love Monk. I think out of all the 3 DPS classes (MNK 50, DRG 50 BRD not 50 lol idk where mine is ) , it offers the most challenge while having a blast. With all the combinations you can do, positioning, specific skills available between stances.......idk its a healthy challenge for anyone who really wants to adopt and learn a class at endgame! And I agree with what was said above. It does require fast reflexes and attention to combos. But its such a variety, I always recommend people level monk because you wont have any other class that gives you a wide variety of attacks and options like monk!

Ok biased opinion over :) Whatever you pick, you'll have a blast with because all the classes offer a different experience.

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Originally Posted by Gevvy

If they wanted a challenge, shouldn't they be playing as tank?

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lol tank is the easiest job to play

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Originally Posted by Axidrain

lol tank is the easiest job to play

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This. Although I will say Warrior is definitely more difficult than Paladin.

each dps has it's bright points depending on the type of encounter and whether you need to move alot or not. the truth is figure out which you like best and make the most of it you can. you will also want to choose a secondary that has different strengths and weaknesses so you will always have one job you enjoy playing at endgame. if i had to say the best 2 of the mele to concentrate on(if you prefer mele) i'd say go with mnk and bard.

they are different classes and bring different things to a party. one is also close range ad the other is ranged so they vary on what their weaknesses are as well. this combination will assure you that you will always have a job ready to go for any content and assure you are never left out due to one being neglected.

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Originally Posted by Axidrain

lol tank is the easiest job to play

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Very Very False. Easiest is Dps > Tanks > Healer

There are certain fights that punish melee pretty unfairly and SE throws in so many mechanics in various fights that make it detrimental to take melee.

For example Twintania taking any more then one melee makes the fight a lot harder mostly due to phase 4. During the Dreadknight phase all the melee have to run far away because they can get targeted by the dreadknight and killed if it get to them. So they have to keep running to the edge of the arena right before a Dreadknight comes out, taking dps time away from Twintania when ranged can already be standing far away at all times and swap from Twintania to Dreadknight very quickly with no loss in dps uptime. The more melee you have the longer you spend in that phase due to the constant running away because you might get targeted making it so you could hit the enrage because you lose so much dps time on the boss.

Until SE stops putting in fights where it is a disadvantage to bring melee I would go with ranged.

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Originally Posted by ZeroRains

Very Very False. Easiest is Dps > Tanks > Healer

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As a tank I see playing DPS a lot harder you have to max your dps by doing much more complex rotations and a lot of mechanics tanks can just get hit by IE bombs on Titan, dps have to be on top of avoiding stuff or they are dead tanks can just get hit by whatever. Titan HM says hi, I pretty much have to do nothing on that fight besides hit a cooldown during mountain buster, I have a 3 button rotation most of the time and only have to worry about cooldowns when I am taking a lot of damage, the job is so easy to play much easier then any dps. If I am feeling lazy I much rather play tank then dps, because dps is a lot more work to play.

Hardest to easiest its like Healer > DPS > Tank

BRD are always needed for endgame

well geared DRG is boss

Mnk is fun

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Originally Posted by ZeroRains

Very Very False. Easiest is Dps > Tanks > Healer

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u'll understand when u get to play other classes

Can't go wrong with black mage.

Doing critical Fire III is fun.

Despite of the above, extreme mode primals always look for ranged dps instead of melee dps cos it is much easier. Even if that means no melee LB, but gear can make up for it.

Ranged DPS is easier... "fun" wise for me is Smn > Brd > Blm
Melee DPS has a paper potential to be stronger (I think)... "fun" wise for me is Mnk > Drg
Tanking is generally boring... War has more to do than Pld
Healing can be interesting... Sch (i think) has more micro / more to do than Whm

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Originally Posted by Rizzo_

I just wanted to see everyone's views and opinions regarding DPS classes at end game. What DPS class would you say is best to choose if I want to do consistent damage and at the same time enjoy? I currently have a Monk, Dragoon and Bard all close to level 50 but I am not sure which one to focus on fully at end game.

I also do not see alot of Monks at end game, is there a reason for this?

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ZeroRains pretty much nailed it, Different Jobs have different strengths, a healthy mix of DPS Jobs makes a stronger raid than stacking.

The reason you don't see too many Monks around is due to the positional requirements making general play a bit trickier than some other jobs.

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Originally Posted by Raminax

I find that an iffy statement. While it's true that Monks need to regularly switch between rear and flank for optimal damage, Dragoons can't use their Impulse Drive combo at all if they can't get behind their enemy for some reason. Monks just end up suffering from weaker attacks, rather than being completely locked out from a major debuff and DoT. :/ That said... I'd imagine a Monk who positions himself badly is going to mess up his DPS pretty hard. Those bonuses aren't particularly small, to be truthful. :p

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Losing access to either side for a Monk is a massive DPS drop. We don't hit half as hard unless we're in the right position. Losing Chaos Thrust and Disembowel drops your damage, but not near as much as being forced to attack from front because your Tank refuses to pull a boss out of its AoE (Copperbell hard, i hate most Tanks in this place.) Losing Heavy Thrust is annoying also, but again, you're still hitting with potency 200 - 330. So you're still hitting harder than a Monk without positional bonuses.

Its bad for both Jobs to lose access to Flank/behind, but Monk definitely takes it harder :/

Tanking in this game is a joke. The fact that the majority fail at it is really scary imo.

My pld is only ilvl 76 but I regular pull things off of tanks ilvl85+. Why? Apparently a three move combo is to hard for most plds.

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Originally Posted by Rochetm

Tanking in this game is a joke. The fact that the majority fail at it is really scary imo.

My pld is only ilvl 76 but I regular pull things off of tanks ilvl85+. Why? Apparently a three move combo is to hard for most plds.

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If your only doing your 3 move combo your doing it wrong

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Originally Posted by ZeroRains

If your only doing your 3 move combo your doing it wrong

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Most of the time, most fights, outside of Scorn and Spirits, that's realy all you do except cooldown when needed. And if you don't need Scorn for multiple mobs, and Spirits for Silence, you throw those in. That's really all it is. And as he said, I can pull of better geared tanks because I know what i'm doing.

If you pull mobs off of tanks that are better geared at any time except the portions of fights which necessitate tank swaps... I would very much say you don't know what you're doing.

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Originally Posted by Peptaru

If you pull mobs off of tanks that are better geared at any time except the portions of fights which necessitate tank swaps... I would very much say you don't know what you're doing.

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I'm saying I can, not that I neccesarily do. Only time I do it on purpose is if you have two tanks fighting over the boss and not putting it in the right spot, ie only really in CT. I take it and move it where it needs to go.

My main is a BARD and I love it and it is my highest ilv gear at 86. Very...very fun to play.
My secondary job is Dragoon and I love it also...it is nice to play melee DPS for a change and actually get to use LB.
My third job is White Mage and I also am loving healing and did this to be well rounded for my Free Company.
I will level PLD next so that I have every role in the game covered.
I say do it all and have fun with it all...being well rounded also makes you an overall better player.

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Originally Posted by ZeroRains

If your only doing your 3 move combo your doing it wrong

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lol... I remember one day the other tank would steal my aggro many times while I Stoneskin myself for the Diffractive Laser on Ultima... crazy annoying.

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Originally Posted by Peptaru

If you pull mobs off of tanks that are better geared at any time except the portions of fights which necessitate tank swaps... I would very much say you don't know what you're doing.

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Didn't say I do... I said I can. If at any point I can pull off of a better geared tank they are failing.. BIG TIME.

And no captain awesome that really is all pld does. 3 hit combo + scorn + spirits... thats it. Flash/CDs when needed. That is all a pld needs to do and yet most cannot do even that. It also explains why warriors are so bad... they have far more buttons that have to push.

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Originally Posted by ZeroRains

If your only doing your 3 move combo your doing it wrong

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Its more than the RoH spam 1 button combo i had a PLD doing in Copperbell last night.

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Originally Posted by Ri_ri

lol... I remember one day the other tank would steal my aggro many times while I Stoneskin myself for the Diffractive Laser on Ultima... crazy annoying.

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Brainless Paladins will steal aggro off a Warrior keeping both Storms up, due to the Storm combo not having an Enmity multiplier beyond Damage/Defiance. It's easily enough to hold hate over a DD or a Healer, but a Paladin determined to take hate will take hate.
Its why i like to let Paladins maintank on my Warrior, i can keep debuffs rolling and not even come close to ripping hate, but i can take it in a hurry if i want it. I like to sit at number 2 on the hate meter just in case. The Main tank should not have to fight for his hate over the Off Tank, and the Off Tank should stop being bad.

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Originally Posted by Rochetm

My pld is only ilvl 76 but I regular pull things off of tanks ilvl85+. Why? Apparently a three move combo is to hard for most plds.

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The other person wrote can, you did not. Anyway, it's not related to the main point of the thread which is which DPS to use. I'm guilty of this sidetracking, too.

I love playing as drg, but there are so many bad ones... so many. You have to fight the stigma of loldrg in party finder. To be totally fair though, I see a ton of failure bards and monks too... The most I've seen in any party is one of either melee and one bard... so as the others have said, pick your favorite~

So far best class choice seems to be like this for all content
Do i lagg?

YES!: BLM/SUM/SCH/BRD

NO, Pft lagg is a myth: MNK/DRG

MAYBE, im not sure: WHM/PLD/WAR (because these classes will answer that quests with a definte yes or no very quickly.

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Originally Posted by Peptaru

The other person wrote can, you did not. Anyway, it's not related to the main point of the thread which is which DPS to use. I'm guilty of this sidetracking, too.

I love playing as drg, but there are so many bad ones... so many. You have to fight the stigma of loldrg in party finder. To be totally fair though, I see a ton of failure bards and monks too... The most I've seen in any party is one of either melee and one bard... so as the others have said, pick your favorite~

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But yeah, this is pretty much all there is to it. Play what you like. If you're good, people will find you. That's how I found my coil static, they found me while I was doing Titan runs for like my 7th or 8th relic. I personally play everything because I enjoy all the classes/jobs.

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Originally Posted by Rizzo_

What DPS class would you say is best to choose if I want to do consistent damage and at the same time enjoy?

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Bard: Its wanted in all content. There is no "Bard unfriendly" fight. You can put out competitive damage consistently, from any range, and are free to move (dodge) while doing so. While against a test dummy Bard isn't the highest DPS, its still very good DPS, and in many fights most players of other jobs lose a lot of their potential DPS due to movement or fight mechanics whereas Bard is always putting out, which is the equalizer. You're also least likely to die, have one a kind utility that makes groups always want at least one bard, and have essentially no competition for loot except from other Bards. And its easy to learn fights on, because of its mobility, versatility, and demand.

Bard is my favorite even after the slight NERF....got to play it to understand it!