Is it true one there DEV said crafting sucks?

I heard and going around on the internet about it. One there best selling points on this game and it will change crafting on mmo for years to come. Is this true?

There never be any gear equal or all crafting gear will be lame gear.

When elder scrolls fixed there crafting now and EQN fixed there to match this game version and they improved on it. Soon it will be like if a mmo got a good crafting system it will be a ff14 crafting system or bust.

It be like what CoD did to halo matchmaking system back in the day. Insane stuff and ideas not just quick make it.

5 years from now all mmos will have crafting like fxiv now.

If this rumor true and a DEV said that i would fire him now.

Yoshi did say that crafted great will not be better than raid gear. His reasoning is because he does not want people to stick to created gear in lieu of dungeon running.

However, I believe this point was misconstrued by many. No one gear set is BiS. To get BiS, you need a mix of Allagan, Myth, and XM gear. I think eventually a few crafting pieces will end up as BiS.

Your grammar gave me nausea . . .

Please be foreign.

Sorry but BiS?

Having come from a game that went from player crafted to looted to looted but player enhanced, I think the last option is the best. Allow the items to be looted and used but then allow for them to be deconstructed in to single use Recipes that when crafted can have Materia slots added to them. It's a win/win for everyone and works out best in the long run.

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Originally Posted by Skyhound

Yoshi did say that crafted great will not be better than raid gear. His reasoning is because he does not want people to stick to created gear in lieu of dungeon running.

However, I believe this point was misconstrued by many. No one gear set is BiS. To get BiS, you need a mix of Allagan, Myth, and XM gear. I think eventually a few crafting pieces will end up as BiS.

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if they stick to that BS vertical progression ideal, gear from crafting will always be 3rd rate

Being able to make top tier gear through crafting would turn this into an RMT/Pay to Win type of game, Id quit immeidiatly.

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Originally Posted by Narcissus

Being able to make top tier gear through crafting would turn this into an RMT/Pay to Win type of game, Id quit immeidiatly.

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...You must not play XIV atm lol.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

...You must not play XIV atm lol.

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Forgot that I needed to pay for Coil/Myth gear, wait

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Originally Posted by Narcissus

Forgot that I needed to pay for Coil/Myth gear, wait

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I'm guessing behemoth has no one that sells Primals or Coil wins yet nor has any RMT.

I get that crafted gear will never be the best gear, but they should keep adding in crafted gear that is perhaps (on average) five ilvl's less than the existing gear. Make the content difficulty based around the previous dungeon's gear, but give crafting an option to be relevant down the road. (Doesn't even need to be a full set, can be filler pieces like some rings, or a helmet and chest armour, etc...)

XIV seems to be the only game out there that doesn't want it's crafting to be relevant once you touch the end-game dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Narcissus

Being able to make top tier gear through crafting would turn this into an RMT/Pay to Win type of game, Id quit immeidiatly.

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Getting high-end gear through crafting is not "paying to win". You 'win' when you beat all the content (and are able to do it regularly), which will still be difficult because of the encounters themselves. The best gear in the world won't save you from eating dirt if you refuse to get out of the AoE.

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Originally Posted by Ptolemy

if they stick to that BS vertical progression ideal, gear from crafting will always be 3rd rate

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But crafted gear is always lower quality than raid gear. Its supposed to be entry level so you CAN get raid gear, every mmo does this.

@ the OP to me it seems like SE hates Crafting as they are not trying to do anything to help. Did you read what Hvinire said? So they think that when more players get housing the "Furniture" market will pick up. Are you kidding me I have bought or made every housing Furniture except for some of the Extreme HQ stuff and didn't spend more than 150k. Its a joke if players plan on getting a FC house or own personal house buy the Materials or the Completed pieces now. I don't think there will be a market for Furniture until Personal Housing.

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Originally Posted by Hvinire

Once free company housing becomes a bit more widespread we expect the demand for furniture to increase

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Originally Posted by Skyhound

Yoshi did say that crafted great will not be better than raid gear. His reasoning is because he does not want people to stick to created gear in lieu of dungeon running.

However, I believe this point was misconstrued by many. No one gear set is BiS. To get BiS, you need a mix of Allagan, Myth, and XM gear. I think eventually a few crafting pieces will end up as BiS.

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As for this, I made a post about Abjurations It takes Crafting, Gathering, and Endgame content and brings them together to make gear that would be some BIS. I say in the post they could alternate ABJ's with CoB/CT patches so they wouldn't always have to be BIS.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...09#post1764709

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

I'm guessing behemoth has no one that sells Primals or Coil wins yet nor has any RMT.

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Nope have never once seen anyone sell coil runs, I have seen primal runs, but that doesnt really count because primal loot is horizontal to Myth and Coil loot. Other than that my first post specifically says "Crafting top tier gear" nothing else rmt related. Even then, what do you spend an absurd amount of gil on in this game? Repair bills, lol yeah you need an RMT for that one. Inb4 housing

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

I'm guessing behemoth has no one that sells Primals or Coil wins yet nor has any RMT.

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relic is 1 slot (2 at most) and XM gear is swappable with other stuff.

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Originally Posted by Arkista

As for this, I made a post about Abjurations It takes Crafting, Gathering, and Endgame content and brings them together to make gear that would be some BIS. I say in the post they could alternate ABJ's with CoB/CT patches so they wouldn't always have to be BIS.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...09#post1764709

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100% on abjurations gear. It should be horizontal though IMO or offer different stats and will include all types of players.

i just hope that they don't make abjurations insanely low drop rates like they were in ffxi. even if the drop rate was 20%, when u factored in the spawn time, the claim, and then the drop, odds of getting one were veeeery low at the onset.

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Originally Posted by Fluttersnipe

But crafted gear is always lower quality than raid gear. Its supposed to be entry level so you CAN get raid gear, every mmo does this.

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Because of the vertical progression ideal that's popular thanks to the carrot effect it brings, XI used to do this also but it was to a way lesser amount to the point where you didn't have to replace anything if you didn't want to(changed when they decided to follow the "modern" route) , XIV (1.0-23) also followed XI but that changed thanks to ARR (-_-), GW2 did the same as XI/XIV but to a larger amount (everything was cosmetic when you were geared) but that changed thanks to idiots who wanted more carrots, so they went towards more vertical progression (Ascended BS)



I don't find replacing gear almost every month when a patch hits fun, but that's just me, only reason i'm still here is pure loyalty to my character from 1.0

The funny thing is that crafted gear IS ALREADY the best entry level gear. Yet only casters use their Vanya. I'm starting to think we're the problem.

What people allude to:

http://i.imgur.com/9FJsvY8.png

Crafting players will always be treated as third rate, toss aside players because most developers refuse to acknowledge that they are any significant percentage of the player base. This is a complete and utterly horrible lack of forth site as they continue to cater to the McPlayers that aren't going to stay with their game anyway as soon as they feel they have burned through all the content. So 90% of the focus is on placating a player base that won't stick around to pay subs anyway.

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Originally Posted by Skyhound

Yoshi did say that crafted great will not be better than raid gear. His reasoning is because he does not want people to stick to created gear in lieu of dungeon running.

However, I believe this point was misconstrued by many. No one gear set is BiS. To get BiS, you need a mix of Allagan, Myth, and XM gear. I think eventually a few crafting pieces will end up as BiS.

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Not misconstrued at all, go to the forum top and you will see the Dev post saying this, from the beginning they never intended for crafting to impact the game to a great degree. The post is about a week old.

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Originally Posted by Lord_Zlatan

i just hope that they don't make abjurations insanely low drop rates like they were in ffxi. even if the drop rate was 20%, when u factored in the spawn time, the claim, and then the drop, odds of getting one were veeeery low at the onset.

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See that's the beauty of the system I asked/questioned. If they were to implement an Abjuration system it would be no different from coils (or at least what I asked for). When you kill a boss in CoB you get two pieces of gear 100% but you still have to deal with RNG on what the pieces you get are. So it would be Endgame Content kill ??? boss get two pieces (how many depends on content) of Abjurations 100% which pieces based on RNG buy a Cursed item (where Crafting/ Gathering come into play) take it to a NPC and have it uncursed.

So in short you will never ever have to deal with a drop rate below 100%. I think that's why some of the people don't like it cause it took a long time in FFXI to get some. The only thing it will just take you time to get the cursed item. In the long run its no different than CoB Allagan you still have to deal with RNG. But I figured it would work great in FFXIV because it incorporates lockouts which SE are huge fans of.

So basically they've just said that the only crafts worth leveling are alchemy and cooking. Those two are the only crafts that produce endgame needed items. As for furniture, my guild has ~6 people who are lvl 50 in every craft with top melded crafting gear. I don't need to buy any furniture for my house. If they have the mats they make it for free otherwise I have to get the mats. So on legacy servers for sure there will be no furniture market.

Anyway that's a load off my mind. Off to power level alchemy and cooking.