Open World end game

I would love to see some open world endgame type areas with similar mechanics of sky/sea. Basically forced pop NMs which drop high level equipment, building your way to from lesser NMs to boss fights to mega boss.

Restrict the areas to be accessible only after finishing certain objectives with some degree of challenge.

Monsters in this zone are scaled similarly to mobs in lv 50 dungeons (requires a party of 4+ to defeat)

Tier 4:
Implement 8 daily quests which are a combination of kill/defend/escort/retrieve style quests. These quests are scaled for at least 4 players. Each quest has multiple phases, which culminates in a lesser NM fight. These NM drops 1 of 8 items when combined with a 2nd dropped item will be used to spawn 4 of the next tier of NM.

Tier 3:
4 forced pop NMs are scaled for an full 8 man party. These NM drop 1 of 4 items which when combined with a 2nd dropped item will be used to spawn 2 of the next tier of NM(boss) These NM also have a loot pool to drop material for high ilvl crafts or chance to drop weapons/gear.

Tier 2:
2 forced pop NM(boss) is treated as a FATE. A large circular barrier (similar to dungeon boss lock out gates) will appear after 15 seconds after the mob is popped. the Party that spawn the NM will be granted 1 of 2 pop items used to pop the tier 1 mega boss. FATE rewards players in GOLD SILVER and BRONZE which give player tokens to purchase items from a vendor.

Tier 1:
mega boss is also treated as a FATE with a lock out barrier the fight is scaled for at least 3 full 8 man parties. The party that spawns the NM is guaranteed GOLD reward upon downing of the NM other parties have a chance for GOLD SILVER BRONZE rewards based on performance rewards are a separate tier of token used to purchase high ilvl mats/weapon/gear


Just ideas, but I'd love to see some open world content where we can include more than 8 people at a time. And might promote co-operation between smaller sized FCs.

More open world content <yes please>

and I'm all for end game type areas as long as we never see the 4-8 hour repops lol

Force spawn and 15-30 min repops are fine for me though

Endgame in open world could lead to harassment and competition so very unlikely in this game or really any new mmo

I don't see where any of this is open-world. This sounds exactly like CT, where Tier 1 is the unlock quests leading up to the actual dungeon. I mean, FATEs are actual open-world content, but putting a lockout on them (let alone one as short as 15 SECONDS) is no better than/exactly what happens in a dungeon.

Now, party-based Levequests like this would be a different matter. It's got your lockout, enemies appear in the open-world (as good as it's gonna get without just being a FATE), certain leves could be linked between parties, difficulty-scaling based on what the party/alliance thinks they can handle. The only thing missing would be the chained tiers, which can be programmed if it's planned for.

Yeah I was thinking a 15-30 min lock out on forced pops.

Even if SE flagged these Forced pops to be like guildleve mobs where outside parties couldn't interfere to minimize the grief and harassment from outside players.

Things would be much easier to flag if we are able to form out own alliances inside the game.

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Originally Posted by Grey_Cain

I don't see where any of this is open-world. This sounds exactly like CT, where Tier 1 is the unlock quests leading up to the actual dungeon
Now, party-based Levequests like this would be a different matter. It's got your lockout, enemies appear in the open-world (as good as it's gonna get without just being a FATE), certain leves could be linked between parties, difficulty-scaling based on what the party/alliance thinks they can handle. The only thing missing would be the chained tiers, which can be programmed if it's planned for.

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I was thinking about the times when you have 12 people who are friends and want to play the same content but right now you can take 8 members for a guaranteed party and have the other 4 queue up and hope they get same instance. or those 12 people go and fight some challenging open world content in an endgame specific zone.

If we could form our own alliances in game, party/alliance based guildleves would work perfectly.

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Originally Posted by ChiefCurrahee

Yeah I was thinking a 15-30 min lock out on forced pops.
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Heck i was thinking force pops and combination of spawns, nothing wrong with a little
competition. just give lots of content :)

I would like to see a Open world section but on a different map for instance like what they did with FF 4 and have an entire Moon and/or Underworld map and even a underwater world map.

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Originally Posted by Siren

I would like to see a Open world section but on a different map for instance like what they did with FF 4 and have an entire Moon and/or Underworld map and even a underwater world map.

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Yeah, entire new zone(s) dedicated to high level play, which are only accessible after completing a challenging set of quests/encounters.

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Originally Posted by Davionx

Endgame in open world could lead to harassment and competition so very unlikely in this game or really any new mmo

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kinda the point of playing a multiplayer game is to have competition, guess they should stop PVP and delete, stop need.greed system because someones feeling will get hurt if they lose.
dungeons sure dont stop the harassment or stop competition because once someone makes a mistake the flaming starts.

the open world as of now is empty theres only a small patch of mobs in different sections of the map and half the map is useless only has gather nodes.

kill off gil too since people compete in the market boards.

Yes Please. Force Pop NM/HNMs are great. As for timed Pops those would work if they weren't 48-72hrs >< on some. Great idea though cause we really need some opn world content.

FFXI had a Tier system with ZNMs you would kill X nm to unlock the next set and kill X nm for the next and then you would get a mega boss PW (crazy). Was a 5 Tier NM system with dozens of Mobs that would all lead to the final.

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Originally Posted by indira

kinda the point of playing a multiplayer game is to have competition, guess they should stop PVP and delete, stop need.greed system because someones feeling will get hurt if they lose.
dungeons sure dont stop the harassment or stop competition because once someone makes a mistake the flaming starts.

the open world as of now is empty theres only a small patch of mobs in different sections of the map and half the map is useless only has gather nodes.

kill off gil too since people compete in the market boards.

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We have box fighting inside set instances, you say PvP and I say whack a mole.

I would love ve competitive gameplay ie. Open world content however the gaming market does not allow to such a game without raking a chance on losing subs over hurt feelinga

This game needs a booster shot of Open world Content and NMS, make the pop random as hell and area big as hell so no one camps it.

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Originally Posted by Davionx

Endgame in open world could lead to harassment and competition so very unlikely in this game or really any new mmo

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How is open world content any different from instanced when it comes to harassment?

We got parties that vote kick someone to get drop for their members, people that kick if you're learning or not as good, trolls that enter instances to wipe party purposely, etc. Keep lying to yourself that open world would somehow be worse or as bad as instance for that matter.

What does HM/NHM/ZNM mean? I'm assuming it's an FF thing because I only see it here.

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Originally Posted by indira

kinda the point of playing a multiplayer game is to have competition

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Maybe in a PvP focused game. PvE games are built for people to work together, not against each other. The days of EQ and FFXI are done. Models like WoW and FFXIV are what people want out of a mainstream MMO. I'm sure there's other niche titles out there or PvP games if you want to compete against other people.

Your posts recently just seethe negativity. Why are you still playing this game again?

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Originally Posted by Orophin

Maybe in a PvP focused game. PvE games are built for people to work together, not against each other. The days of EQ and FFXI are done. Models like WoW and FFXIV are what people want out of a mainstream MMO. I'm sure there's other niche titles out there or PvP games if you want to compete against other people.

Your posts recently just seethe negativity. Why are you still playing this game again?

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Maybe I was out of the loop, but even WoW had competition... in PVP (Arena, BGs) and PVE (world firsts, and world boss kills when they were around, and the general quest to have the coolest and rarest gear from everyone else). Also, please... FFXI was the anti-thesis of "working against each other". You were forced to "work together", or you would not pass level 10 and be stuck in Ronfaure/Gustaberg/Sarutabaruta.

i'm for Skirmish

Blue sea, beach, palms and a lot of boss monsters the party need to defeat. And as reward a ilevel 70 weapon (Giantsqall weapons) with 100% droprate (but which weapon drop would be random). If you can clear it with a speedrun 2 weapons would drop.

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Originally Posted by Orophin

Maybe in a PvP focused game. PvE games are built for people to work together, not against each other. The days of EQ and FFXI are done. Models like WoW and FFXIV are what people want out of a mainstream MMO. I'm sure there's other niche titles out there or PvP games if you want to compete against other people.

Your posts recently just seethe negativity. Why are you still playing this game again?

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What game are you playing, that has everyone holding each others hand and helping them through the game?

The treasure hunts are really starting to give me a taste of how much better the game would be if the game had more significant tasks that could be accomplished under a similar system. It's just far more immersive overall to get a group of people together then running over to a spot and fighting something than it is to push a few buttons then be teleported to some private room that is cut off from the rest of the server community.

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h2...ctionLeves.png
Bring it back please.

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Originally Posted by Lumiin

What does HM/NHM/ZNM mean? I'm assuming it's an FF thing because I only see it here.

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Notorious Monster, Hard Notorious Monster, ZNM....have no clue actually

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Originally Posted by Davionx

Endgame in open world could lead to harassment and competition so very unlikely in this game or really any new mmo

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Cause there is no harassment going on in the game right now.

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Originally Posted by haseo0730

Notorious Monster, Hard Notorious Monster, ZNM....have no clue actually

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Zeni Notorious Monster

Also BCNM (you may hear that one) is burning circle notorious monster.... something like trials.

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Originally Posted by Ladon

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Yea, I was leveling some of my lower level classes solo a while after 2.1 dropped and a group of decked-out lvl 50's ended up gathering around, used a treasure map and summoned a bigass monster to fight.

So, I ended up standing around giving them an audience because it looked flashy and interesting and it got me thinking. All they really need to do is add some open world content that attracts a group of players, but doesn't lend itself to outright zerging (FATES). Just seeing a group playing in the open world areas, that weren't then followed by 10 other groups standing on the same spot doing the same thing (FATES again) made the world feel more alive, without it being stupid and forced.

There's so much potential for rewarding group based open world content that it'd be almost unbelievable for the Devs to focus exclusively on instanced content and ignore the whole great big Eorzean wilderness that player so desperately want a reason to play in.

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Originally Posted by Gwaeron

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h2...ctionLeves.png
Bring it back please.

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I totally forgot about faction leves! Though I would want a more robust fleshed out system than what 1.0 offered.

Would love more open world content in addition to the instances. This game has to many beautiful scenery's and epic backdrops to avoid taking a tour more than once through. I even think a map roughly the size of the starting zones outside of each main city for open enabled pvp maybe between clans or for groups of up to 16 to control a fort with a giant crystal for x amount of time or something while another tries to capture it.

I would be up for some ZNM or anything that you would need a pop item for. But please please no time spawn mobs that you have to camp and fight other groups for a claim.

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Originally Posted by Whiz

I would be up for some ZNM or anything that you would need a pop item for. But please please no time spawn mobs that you have to camp and fight other groups for a claim.

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How would you feel about short time respawns (15-30min) instead of 4-8+ hours.

And ontop of that, getting claim only gives you a slightly higher drop percent, but all
parties participating can get a drop% too? As in you can still participate and even
be rewarded without having first claim! first claim jsut gets a small bonus

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Originally Posted by Volsung

How would you feel about short time respawns (15-30min) instead of 4-8+ hours.

And ontop of that, getting claim only gives you a slightly higher drop percent, but all
parties participating can get a drop% too? As in you can still participate and even
be rewarded without having first claim! first claim jsut gets a small bonus

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Would just end up being zergfests just like FATES.

The key here is they need to limit who can engage and participate in an open world fight to make it meaningful for those that are involved.

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Originally Posted by Ladon

Would just end up being zergfests just like FATES.

The key here is they need to limit who can engage and participate in an open world fight to make it meaningful for those that are involved.

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people are asking for no competition, I'm trying to find a way to still allow competition, and let people
participate, you could just extend it to a certain number of parties laying first claim, but none after
that number has been reached.

There is infinitely many creative ways SE could address things like zerg fates. The first of which being a
large HP pool and moves that significant to watch for. The fates we ahve now are the simple of the simple
and more creative things can be added down the road.

They could add a marker that spawns every so often at the end a beastmen stronghold where only
24 people can enter, they could do the same with a force spawn so a premade ally could go at it too.

again, variety and ingenuity we need to take steps in the right directions rather than saying, its not
worth trying.

It just seems like people are describing faction leves over and over. I'll explain it for those who don't know how it worked.

Back then, the adventurers' guild was just distributing leves for factions that needed adventurers' help. There were of them: Azeyma's Shields, Brotherhood of the Broken Blade and Horn and Hand. They worked almost exactly like leves do now, and upon completion would award faction points for the faction of the leve.

Faction points could be traded for faction leves. Some were in a series, if you finished one you'd unlock the next. At level 50, there were many fun and diverse, sometimes difficult leves. Killing two NMs at different ends of a map in a short time, killing a huge magitek vanguard boss, etc. These dropped some pretty valuable gear (which together with pretty much all other once-useful gear has just been thrown into Dzemael coffers). They were completely open-world, challenging, fun and varied.

Sounds just like what so many are asking for.

Open World end game Hell Yes.

A event Similar VoidWatch but without the Horrible Proc system. Sky/Sea i say "No" because the amount time necessary for farm is insane.. for only 3 mins of "Fun".

A event Like VW would be fantastic.

VW was played in FFXI Non Stop for 1.5 years, in a game with less of 500k players. the shouts was filled "Quickly" 15 - 30 mins.

Square Enix policy the last years is. Lets play it safe and make content for big masses onry. Im Not surprised FFX/FFX-2 HD for ps3 is outselling Lighting Returns for a Big margin...

I think ARR can afford open world content for now. with a player base over 1.5 millons we can sustain this kind of content.

A content in the open world areas for 16 man.
With Stones rechargeable x6 every 24 hours.
With tiers Ilv 55, ilv 65, ilv 75, ilv85 , ilv 95.

This would add a lot of life to the Game.

Open world would be awesome. I don't like the fact that you always need 8 ppl or 24 ppl before you can join an instance. For example you can't enter with 23 CT eben tho that it owuld be totally possible to win it with lower numbers. It don't have to be an open world endgame in the classic style. It could be an Instance w/o any membernumber forcement. Like Sky... If you were a lot of ppl you could do Gods or Kirin. If you were just few ppl you could do some trigger farm. Not everyone likes the fact to be forced to play with totally unknown ppl ...

Is it just me who thinks that end-game NMs instanced the same way like treasure hunting would be hella confusing?
When I go hunting with my static I already gotta wait for the other party there to end or it will there me so many adds on screen that none knows what to hit.
Imagine that x10 or x20.

I would prefere no forced party structure instances.

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Originally Posted by Whiz

I would be up for some ZNM or anything that you would need a pop item for. But please please no time spawn mobs that you have to camp and fight other groups for a claim.

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We had something like this in 1.0
It was called faction leves

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Originally Posted by Gwaeron

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h2...ctionLeves.png
Bring it back please.

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A normal leve give you points to a faction. if you have enough points with a faction you can buy a faction leve in the adventure guild.
Brotherhood of the Broken Blade and Azeyma's Shields give you leves for fighting with a endboss spawning at the end.
Example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HzZdevIQIE

In the leves from Horn and Hands you need to find chests or picking up stuffs from the ground and sneak (or fight) through a group of aggro monsters (which are spawned from the leves or are just in the area). This leves can also be done with DoL and DoH.

The leve system can be very good for a open world content with no zerg fests. Everyone can watch, but the monsters are reserved to the party who started the leve.

Another good open-world content with restricted number of participants would be the old chocobo caravan, where only 8 can join a caravan and the next caravan start after the current caravan ended.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqyF879guqA