Blood for Blood for MNK

My inclination is that it's not worth any of my time to level my LNC past 22 for BFB until I have run out of everything to do on my monk for the week (coil, CT, myth cap, etc) as the nerfed it pretty handily. Obviously I'll get it eventually, but I feel like it's not worth prioritizing for now.

Anyone care to convince me otherwise or confirm my suspicion?

Definitely not worth it, just get level 6 and use Keen Flurry instead.

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Originally Posted by Jahaudant

Definitely not worth it, just get level 6 and use Keen Flurry instead.

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Don't MNK have worse TP issues than DRG at high ilevels? They need Invigorate in long fights or they get to sit and AA for a while...which is not a good thing for a DPS

10% extra damage is 10% extra damage. Every little bit matters.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

Don't MNK have worse TP issues than DRG at high ilevels? They need Invigorate in long fights or they get to sit and AA for a while...which is not a good thing for a DPS

10% extra damage is 10% extra damage. Every little bit matters.

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This.
A damage boost is a damage boost, and there is plenty of contentxon which it can be used as long as you know how to bloody dodge.

MNK is a DPS job. Anything that increases your DPS is a priority, and should be available to you.

10% damage buff with 25% uptime is not worth it? You are gimping your DPS if you don't have it.

ya BFB is a must for any DPS class that can get it!

Please do not be one of those lazy DPS with gimped damage trying to tell yourself that something got nerfed so it's not worth it no more. As stated above, damage is damage.

It's already been said, but damage boost is a damage boost. Also Invigorate is amazing.

B4B is a must have.

a dead DD it's a DD useless, a DD that take too much damage and burn your healer mana it's useless DD, a DD that burn him TP and are unable to dps it's useless too...

the damage output is not everything. a DD jobs is far more than simply big number on a parseer.... do you need BFB, depend of the fight, some fight it's at avoid, because you will take damage and it will jeopardize your survivability. on other fight, where you have large time, where.... normally...you don't take it, you can use it and must use it.

anyway, you need invigorate then you can grab BFB on the way, however it will depend of you and only you to know when you can or cannot use it.

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

a dead DD it's a DD useless, a DD that take too much damage and burn your healer mana it's useless DD, a DD that burn him TP and are unable to dps it's useless too...

the damage output is not everything. a DD jobs is far more than simply big number on a parseer.... do you need BFB, depend of the fight, some fight it's at avoid, because you will take damage and it will jeopardize your survivability. on other fight, where you have large time, where.... normally...you don't take it, you can use it and must use it.

anyway, you need invigorate then you can grab BFB on the way, however it will depend of you and only you to know when you can or cannot use it.

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Just because you have it, doesn't mean you must use it whenever its up. In some fights, there's certain times when you just shouldn't/can't BFB...but there are times in every fight where you can, and should, use it.

1. Know when and when not to use it.
This basically boils down to knowing mob/boss behaviour.

2. Know how to dodge.
See 1.

If you don't use it, you lose it.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

Don't MNK have worse TP issues than DRG at high ilevels? They need Invigorate in long fights or they get to sit and AA for a while...which is not a good thing for a DPS

10% extra damage is 10% extra damage. Every little bit matters.

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Did you just take my suggestion to use Keen Flurry seriously?

Did you just ask if someone thought someone was stupid enough to actually suggest something like that on these forums?

Sorry, I framed my question improperly. I absolutely fully intend to get BFB, my question was one of prioritization.

My monk is only 43, but has a relic oil, 1110 mytho, a full suit of DL + CT helm waiting (and garuda claws but who cares) - which obviously isn't that great. I can do EX Primals, Ultima, Coil, CT, and farm Myth with my finite play time each week to make him more powerful, or I can spend 2 days getting LNC to 34 for BFB. My assumption was that my time was better spent doing those things until I get closer to my glass ceiling (coil group limitations, weekly caps) as opposed to spending my time leveling LNC and potentially not getting one of those things done in the coming weeks (probably would skip EX Primals/Ultima).

I am not and will not be a lazy dps that doesn't do the right things because its a pain : D Obviously a 10% damage increase on CD is great, and I can see the applications overlaying that with other abilities (or not) already.

Turn 1: Use it everytime it's up
Turn 2: on the random ADS, but not for the boss.
Turn 3: Use it.. whatever...
Turn 4: At start when AoE so it's up on the mid-boss at midfight after the soldiers. Then whenever it's up except at the end on last mob to avoid AoE.
Turn 5: on Prison and Twintania. Try to have it up for the giant snake boss.

Garuda: Use it often
Titan: Depending on your latency, mostly on adds too (Extreme) (i'd rather not use it at all on Titan).
Ifrit: On Pillars

One things to know also, is when to remove the effect.

Get your lancer to 34 and get B4B it's a good dps skill, you can avoid taking the extra damage by using B4B together with defensive skill like keen flurry or featherfoot. You can always right click to turn off the buff when you know there is going to be incoming damage, but you should have no problem surviving unavoidable damage with the buff on unless you take unnecessary avoidable damage.

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Originally Posted by Nexxus

Turn 4: At start when AoE so it's up on the mid-boss at midfight after the soldiers. Then whenever it's up except at the end on last mob to avoid AoE.

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Last time I check, MNKs have a similar defensive attributes. or even higher than BRDs, and yet, I don't seem to have any problem or give a problem to our Healers when I pop up BfB during the last phase of T4.

http://i.imgur.com/HVh2oz0.jpg

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Originally Posted by Thorauku

Last time I check, MNKs have a similar defensive attributes. or even higher than BRDs, and yet, I don't seem to have any problem or give a problem to our Healers when I pop up BfB during the last phase of T4.

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Use it at your own risk. Where i could do it to with no problem, i'd rather not doing it, i beat the last boss without it and with no problem at all.
What the similar defensive attributes ? The one that restore 25% of your damage to healing ? An hit that will kill you will not be bypass by 10~hit you haven't had time to land.

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Originally Posted by Nexxus

Use it at your own risk. Where i could do it to with no problem, i'd rather not doing it, i beat the last boss without it and with no problem at all.
What the similar defensive attributes ? The one that restore 25% of your damage to healing ? An hit that will kill you will not be bypass by 10~hit you haven't had time to land.

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If I have BFB ready near the end of Phase 6 I will use it without doubt (usually don't, since I usually use it at the beginning of Phase 6 to kill the Phase 5 Dread, but it will be up if I used it Phase 5 to kill the Knight). Any extra damage to finish faster is appreciated. And should enrage hit, I can always just click it off.

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Originally Posted by Nexxus

What the similar defensive attributes ? The one that restore 25% of your damage to healing ? An hit that will kill you will not be bypass by 10~hit you haven't had time to land.

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What I meant was Monks and Bards do have a similar defensive attributes interms of defense, HP, etc. I was comparing both.

That being said, as a Bard, I don't seem to have problems with using BfB in the last phase, which is supposed to be the same when it comes to Monk.

As for the second question (if that was a question) sorry, not being a grammar nazi, but I can't understand what you wanted to say.

I'm not english, sorry that you don't understand.
A friends told me the same as you, with the similar defensive attributes, but he was talking about Bloodbath, i though that were your point.
Indeed, we have a good amount of HP, our defense is not as good as a drg, unless we use Fist of Earth without BfB (giving BfB a 5% damage increase and 15% Malus, where Fist of Fire and no BfB would give 5% damage / 10% Malus).

I play the safety on the last phase. And i never had a problem yet defeating the last Dread without BfB, I'm not even sure it's up as i use it this way: At start for AoE > on Middle phase (The solo dread) > on One of the Two Dread, to kill it asap.

I often tank the Knights (the blue one), Monk doesn't have a skill to lower their enmity, so i'd rather not use it on them.

BFB in a nutshell:

Use it whenever you please. Obviously it is up to you to avoid dodge-able aoe and other damage.

People who are so cautious ro advise against it are likely not very good monks. My honest opinion.

If you are worried about damage intake where it's unavoiable (Like P6 in Turn 4) - Pop Bloodbath and Mantra to help out. Not always Mantra, but it is popped in that phase anyhow.

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Originally Posted by David1c

BFB in a nutshell:

Use it whenever you please. Obviously it is up to you to avoid dodge-able aoe and other damage.

People who are so cautious ro advise against it are likely not very good monks. My honest opinion.

If you are worried about damage intake where it's unavoiable (Like P6 in Turn 4) - Pop Bloodbath and Mantra to help out. Not always Mantra, but it is popped in that phase anyhow.

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This guy would fall under the definition of bad dps.

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Originally Posted by David1c

BFB in a nutshell:

Use it whenever you please. Obviously it is up to you to avoid dodge-able aoe and other damage.

People who are so cautious ro advise against it are likely not very good monks. My honest opinion.

If you are worried about damage intake where it's unavoidable (Like P6 in Turn 4) - Pop Bloodbath and Mantra to help out. Not always Mantra, but it is popped in that phase anyhow.

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Intelligent use of BfB is hard on people. Also Bloodbath and Mantra will not save you from Titan Tumults.

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Originally Posted by AldricBranchais

Intelligent use of BfB is hard on people. Also Bloodbath and Mantra will not save you from Titan Tumults.

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There's no reason to die to tumults just because you have BfB active. You only have to survive 4 stomps, and you have three sources of increased healing.
Play with better healers I guess.

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Originally Posted by ziddyt

There's no reason to die to tumults just because you have BfB active. You only have to survive 4 stomps, and you have three sources of increased healing.
Play with better healers I guess.

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BFB will kill a DRG in Phase 5 stomps without Foresight active (and if its late in the phase still may)...MNK with BFB active without Foresight won't survive at all. Maybe Mantra can save them...but that's assuming the heals land at the right times. Heals are off by a hair...MNK is dead.

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Originally Posted by ziddyt

There's no reason to die to tumults just because you have BfB active. You only have to survive 4 stomps, and you have three sources of increased healing.
Play with better healers I guess.

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http://i.imgur.com/6T2aHEG.gif

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Originally Posted by PArcher

BFB will kill a DRG in Phase 5 stomps without Foresight active (and if its late in the phase still may)...MNK with BFB active without Foresight won't survive at all. Maybe Mantra can save them...but that's assuming the heals land at the right times. Heals are off by a hair...MNK is dead.

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Except I know for a fact that this is not true, so you're kinda pulling that out of... well you know
You can believe that someone will die all you want, but that doesn't make it so, especially when it's been proven otherwise.

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Originally Posted by ziddyt

Except I know for a fact that this is not true, so you're kinda pulling that out of... well you know
You can believe that someone will die all you want, but that doesn't make it so, especially when it's been proven otherwise.

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Suppose our healers are just shit at the game then. Since BfB has gotten me killed to Tumult before. :/

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Originally Posted by ziddyt

Except I know for a fact that this is not true, so you're kinda pulling that out of... well you know
You can believe that someone will die all you want, but that doesn't make it so, especially when it's been proven otherwise.

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Yeah...dozens and dozens (maybe even hundreds) of fights against Titan watching this happen, and knowing just how much damage stomps do from watching the numbers soar past you doesn't count for anything, right?

BFB kills people during Stomps. I haven't seen a single person survive yet with BFB on past the Heart.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

Yeah...dozens and dozens (maybe even hundreds) of fights against Titan watching this happen, and knowing just how much damage stomps do from watching the numbers soar past you doesn't count for anything, right?

BFB kills people during Stomps. I haven't seen a single person survive yet with BFB on past the Heart.

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I literally use BfB on CD and have never died on Titan (especially to tumults) because of it.
I don't know if you're referring to Ex or HM, but if HM, you need to figure out how to limit your stomps apparently.

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Originally Posted by ziddyt

I literally use BfB on CD and have never died on Titan (especially to tumults) because of it.
I don't know if you're referring to Ex or HM, but if HM, you need to figure out how to limit your stomps apparently.

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This may be the issue. I was referring to EX Titan. Apologies for not being specific!

http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/...snap-00007.jpg

My post applies to both. (Me using BfB, not the tumults thing)
Used on heart and superbomb without having been killed by the stomps. Kept on CD afterward, never killed by stomps.
I dunno what to tell you.

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Originally Posted by Ephier

Please do not be one of those lazy DPS with gimped damage trying to tell yourself that something got nerfed so it's not worth it no more. As stated above, damage is damage.

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Damage is damage. This buff comes with a nasty debuff which can kill you.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

Yeah...dozens and dozens (maybe even hundreds) of fights against Titan watching this happen, and knowing just how much damage stomps do from watching the numbers soar past you doesn't count for anything, right?

BFB kills people during Stomps. I haven't seen a single person survive yet with BFB on past the Heart.

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We run Titan Ex with BRD, MNK and DRG, all uses B4B post heart, never die to stomp just because B4B is used. B4B doesn't kill you, using it at the wrong time does or a bad healer.