Holmgang----Only Root Enemy

With its current buff, holmgang is now a great go to last resort option. But with its current iteration, and something that has bugged me for awhile, is its root. Rooting you along with the enemy is 90% of the time pretty terrible for you.

I'm suggesting that holmgang now root the enemy in place, but allow you to move freely. This allows holmgang to now be a more versatile skill. Several fights punish you for holmganging (Titan EX for example, and no you cannot root yourself from landslides) that require constant moving or dodging. Also the rooting is pretty annoying when the mob you holmgang is fully resistant and your still stuck there, you traded off nothing for a debuff.

This adjustment would make holmgang a bit more useful, and allow you to holmgang without risk of dying immediately after because you couldn't run out of a aoe or knock back.

Holmgang versus Hallowed Ground: I can't rationalize the difference.

Not only is Hallowed Ground lasting longer (10 sec), it also has absolutely no down sides.

Using Hallowed Ground allows my healer to quickly heal me to full, it's almost a guaranteed saving grace. Using Holmgang just saves me from dying right now, but my HP will still drop to 1. It means after the 6 seconds even an autoattack will kill me. If the healers couldn't keep me up before Holmgang, they likely won't after.

As someone who have both PLD and WAR at 50, I thought a good improvement would be:

• Remove the root
• Make it last 10 seconds
• When the effect ends, receive 35% of max health

Something like that would make it look better compared to Hallowed Ground. Maybe adjust the cooldown accordingly. Warriors are already relying on consistent heals to survive. It seems weird to design a skill that will guarantee death if you don't have consistent heals (the 1HP-autoattack-death).

Don't compare Holmgang to Hallowed Ground. Instead compare it to another useless skill such as.... awareness? Awareness seems to only shine when healer dies and you want to stay alive long enough for the boss to go down haha....

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Originally Posted by Zfz

Not only is Hallowed Ground lasting longer (10 sec), it also has absolutely no down sides.

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Hallowed Ground has the downside of not working when you need it the most.

Holmgang lets me cheat death for 6 seconds.
I like it.

A dead tank is no tank :]

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Originally Posted by Zfz

If the healers couldn't keep me up before Holmgang, they likely won't after.

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I disagree. Holmgang is an entirely reasonable life-saver if the healers are currently busy with some other task or trying to move to reach me. Sure, it's not as secure as the complete invulnerability of Hallowed Ground, but the incoming damage won't be constant, and it's enough time to fire off a couple Cure IIs or Lustrates to bring you back up to a safer HP level.

Yes it's a life saver, it has saved my life once as well. I'm just saying that it's just no comparison to the potency of Hallowed Ground. It's just that I feel Holmgang has too many down sides.

Now if with Holmgang, while it's active, any damage (except instant kill rage mechanisms obviously) that would have killed you will instead heal you for the same amount, then it feels more powerful. You'll still be hovering about 1HP, but you'll at least have more than just 1HP.

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Originally Posted by Zfz

• Remove the root
• Make it last 10 seconds
• When the effect ends, receive 35% of max health

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Increase the cooldown to 7 minutes like hallowed ground too while youre at it.

The only change needed is to make sure that if the target does not recieve the effect of bind then neither do you.
The rest is fine.

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Originally Posted by Gardes

Hallowed Ground has the downside of not working when you need it the most.

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Not at all. I've had no trouble activating it when I need it. Perhaps you are having latency problems?

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Originally Posted by Wizhard

Increase the cooldown to 7 minutes like hallowed ground too while youre at it.

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Which was already in my post.

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Originally Posted by Zfz

Which was already in my post.

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Indeed. I apologize.
However i think the idea behind holmgang was the ohshit button so you dont die from the big hit thats coming while not topped up. I'll admit it does kinda suck since it does not activate immediatly(just like clutch hallowed grounds and benedictions) with the slow response time of skills in this game.

I like how Holmgang currently works, hell, being glued to the ground has saved me from landslide doom in Titan EX runs as a last resort, overall I do feel it should be buffed a little though (Longer duration).

Yeah holmgang does protect against landslide O_o

I play both War and Pld. Now never having had to use HG since receiving the skill (and hope to not have to if I do the job correctly) I have had to use Holmgang. Honestly the only thing that would need buffing is the root. What I propose is this:

1: Make it last as long as HG, i.e. 10 seconds.
2: During the root you cannot be moved by anything whatsoever, i.e. landslides.
3:The animation is fine but the effect should be immediate. From the time we release from clicking or pressing it should be active.

The amount of half-invincibility if the circumstances work in your favor during this 10 seconds would give at least one healer time to get your HP to a favorable level where at least the pressure would be considerably less. If someone already suggested this I apologize, I didn't read through the whole of the comments. The counterbalance to this is the same as it has always been. Like HG and the holmgang we have now it wont protect you from instant death mechanics.

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Originally Posted by Seiryuukishi

I play both War and Pld. Now never having had to use HG since receiving the skill (and hope to not have to if I do the job correctly).

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Ummm, you should pull half the dungeon and pop HG while your white Mage spams holy. That's part of doing the job correctly.

On topic, I've no opinion on holmgang.

It's a pain in the butt to do usually, given the short amount of time that you have it, but you CAN remove the bind by self-removing the Holmgang buff before it runs its course.

The root is fine, I love using it in Titan or Levi or other knockback situations, you just gotta be a pro :P i do think that with level cap increases holmgang will get a trait that increases duration, or reduces cooldown, or grants a 25% health boost at the end.

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Originally Posted by waldo

Ummm, you should pull half the dungeon and pop HG while your white Mage spams holy. That's part of doing the job correctly.

On topic, I've no opinion on holmgang.

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7 minutes is an awful long CD to use on trash mobs. While I see your point the strategic value isn't there. This is especially true in situations were it is either unnecessary to speed run or running the risk of facing a boss that has a high likelihood of needing it up once encountered. And while it is also true that the chances of it being up by the time you reach said boss it is not a chance that I personally am willing to take when it comes to weighing the chances of success or failure.

It wouldn't make sense for you to be able to move while your enemy can't. You don't chain your enemy to the spot, you hold them in place with the chain; the only way it would make sense for you to move is if you pull them along as well, which would actually be fairly hilarious.

I agree it needs a little tweaking for PvE. PvP however. I love it. Oh healer, you can't run don't be silly.

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Originally Posted by Sunah

Don't compare Holmgang to Hallowed Ground. Instead compare it to another useless skill such as.... awareness? Awareness seems to only shine when healer dies and you want to stay alive long enough for the boss to go down haha....

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Awareness is very usefull in turn 9, as when Naels auto attacks crit, they *censored* hurt! Especially 2 in succession, so I'd disagree, it isnt useless. Also 6 seconds on Holmgang, is a couple of heals with no risk of dieing.

Personally I love the self-bind. It's lead to several hilarious moments for me, which are what keep this game alive. One thing I would LOVE would be an increase in draw range.

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Originally Posted by Seiryuukishi

7 minutes is an awful long CD to use on trash mobs. While I see your point the strategic value isn't there. This is especially true in situations were it is either unnecessary to speed run or running the risk of facing a boss that has a high likelihood of needing it up once encountered.

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Are you being 100% serious.

What dungeon boss requires Hallowed, ever? What dungeon takes short enough that you can't use Hallowed once, maybe even twice and still have it for final boss?

This playerbase.

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Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez

This playerbase.

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Indeed. Do not presume that you can account for every situation or every player's actions. That's how wipes occur. HG is exactly what it was designed for a survival skill not just some random mitigation skill to be spammed just because. I won't waste more time trying to make you believe other than what you do but neither should you. I've spoken my mind on the matter from my standpoint. You are free to play as you like all the same.

As many people said it does prevent knock back. It's probably because it is times wrong.

Only thing is I wish the duration was longer. I can usually self heal for about 3000 if my health is low. (berserk, bloodbath, internal release, second wind(usually get 1000 back non crit if main is up), inner beast Infuriate, inner. beast and storms path combo.I usually use vengeance at this point so I can take less damage

Holmgang is fine, the cooldown is lower and the utility isn't as effective... seems fine to me. Paladin is the safe tank, if you want Hallowed Ground play Paladin.