Discourage Duty Finder.

Hello Rokien here, I hope all is having a great day! BE SAFE TONIGHT!!!!

Instead of making Duty Finder better, they should have made playing with people on your own server better.

You know, reward those who play with people on their own server, instead of rewarding those who play with people that wont even matter(duty roulette).

In my opinion, duty finder ruined this game. I mean you can't even do Crystal Tower with only your friends. It teleports you in any dungeon with no travel needed(one time), meaning, it makes people even more lazy. It makes a hub style game.

Should have never been implemented.

We know this. Hind sight is what?

Is there anything you would like to add, to make the game better off? Constructive helpful ideas?

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Originally Posted by Acyd

We know this. Hind sight is what?

Is there anything you would like to add, to make the game better off? Constructive helpful ideas?

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I did, I said make it so it's more encouraging to party with your own people(same server).

Why? So people can get to 50 like in 1.0 still not able to do story mode ifrit because they can't find people on their server willing to help them?

DF is the best thing to happen to XIV

Use party finder more. The only thing doing that would affect would be CT, but they have already said they are going to make it so you can take a full alliance in, in the near future.

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Originally Posted by ErBear

I did, I said make it so it's more encouraging to party with your own people(same server).

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Well, what would make it more encouraging, is what im getting at.

Sure not getting psycho emotional meltdown alliance members is always nice.

Let Round 134 of the Community vs Accessibility debate begin!

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Originally Posted by Codek

Let Round 134 of the Community vs Accessibility debate begin!

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lol, pretty much. Except, they have already put everything but being able to take in a full alliance in place so you can very easily get a party on your server.

At least half the people on my server I will never meet again (or not remember when i do) but that doesnt mean i'd care about who i'm paired up with any less. Theres still the objective to work together to get through the dungeon/trial/guildleve

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Originally Posted by ErBear

Hello Rokien here, I hope all is having a great day! BE SAFE TONIGHT!!!!

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Don't tell me what to do, your not my real dad.

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Originally Posted by Amyas

Why? So people can get to 50 like in 1.0 still not able to do story mode ifrit because they can't find people on their server willing to help them?

DF is the best thing to happen to XIV

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I'm sorry, but what? I have had 0 problems in any game without duty finder.

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Originally Posted by ErBear

I'm sorry, but what? I had 0 problems in anygame without duty finder.

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Congratulations, you're not a 'casual' player that may or may not be new to mmos, playing a new mmo with 0 friends to help you out!

I could shout for days, days in 1.0 and not get three people to do easy Ifrit. That may be acceptable to you (nothing builds community like seeing the same sad sack shouting for days, I guess), but for the majority of the 'casual' playerbase (you know, the playerbase that pays the bills), they don't want to pay a sub for a game where you can't complete content because no one wants to play with you in an mmo.

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Originally Posted by ErBear

Hello Rokien here, I hope all is having a great day! BE SAFE TONIGHT!!!!

Instead of making Duty Finder better, they should have made playing with people on your own server better.

You know, reward those who play with people on their own server, instead of rewarding those who play with people that wont even matter(duty roulette).

In my opinion, duty finder ruined this game. I mean you can't even do Crystal Tower with only your friends. It teleports you in any dungeon with no travel needed(one time), meaning, it makes people even more lazy. It makes a hub style game.

Should have never been implemented.

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I strongly disagree. Party finder helps you make groups that you can control. And you cna que as a group for anything. Duty Roulette just gives people a reward for stepping outside their little cliques and helping others.

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Originally Posted by ErBear

Hello Rokien here, I hope all is having a great day! BE SAFE TONIGHT!!!!

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At that point you all should have known, IT'S A TRAP.

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Originally Posted by ErBear

It makes a hub style game.

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Indeed. As much as I appreciate the gil font that duty roulette offers, open world activity pre-endgame was actually very high due to the now ignored fate farming. Within the next month I expect fates to have become a permanent blight on the open world, while part finder will never generate enough interest because of duty finder.

Removing duty finder entirely is too extreme a solution, but they'll need to swing rewards back in the direction of open world gaming at some point soon.

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Originally Posted by Amyas

Congratulations, you're not a 'casual' player that may or may not be new to mmos, playing a new mmo with 0 friends to help you out!

I could shout for days, days in 1.0 and not get three people to do easy Ifrit. That may be acceptable to you (nothing builds community like seeing the same sad sack shouting for days, I guess), but for the majority of the 'casual' playerbase (you know, the playerbase that pays the bills), they don't want to pay a sub for a game where you can't complete content because no one wants to play with you in an mmo.

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I really believe FFXI would have been in a stronger state had a DF-type system been in place from the beginning. I'm certainly glad Yoshida & Co. had the foresight not to listen to those who probably belonged to exclusive endgame cliques and put in Duty Finder so more people can get things done. It has its flaws but I'm glad its there.

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Originally Posted by Amyas

I could shout for days, days in 1.0 and not get three people to do easy Ifrit.

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What green hat girl said.

When I was trying to get into Tam Tara for the story, I shouted, messaged people nearby who looked interested, and generally made a fool of myself. In the end, I just had to wait the 45 minutes for the DF to find me a party. I wouldn't have got one otherwise.

If it wasn't for the Duty Finder, I would not have progressed as far as I have.

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Originally Posted by Hayward

I really believe FFXI would have been in a stronger state had a DF-type system been in place from the beginning. I'm certainly glad Yoshida & Co. had the foresight not to listen to those who probably belonged to exclusive endgame cliques and put in Duty Finder so more people can get things done. It has its flaws but I'm glad its there.

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Agreed 100%. There were so many great aspects of ffxi, but if you had anything less then 2+ hours to play you might as well not even log in. You weren't going to get anything productive done. Shouting for hours was just painful.

I have gotten some pretty poor groups/poor attitudes via duty finder. Non DF groups are usually much better. That is incentive enough sometimes to avoid DF.

They should really make a system where someone can start a group for specific content, then others can look at that list and sign up for it. Maybe call it Party Finder or something....

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Originally Posted by Noshpan

If it wasn't for the Duty Finder, I would not have progressed as far as I have.

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The thing is, the reason why you can't find anyone to do content in this game, is because of duty finder. EVERYONE IS USING IT, there is no need to search or what have ya.

So you would have progressed just as far.

OH NO WHAT ABOUT THE WAIT TIMES..... you might say, well, YOU HAVE TO WAIT TO DO DUTY FINDER AS WELL... I would respond, idk, how many storys there are about people waiting hours for a group. At least you can make your own makeshift group if you there wasn't a reliance of duty finder.

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Originally Posted by ErBear

The thing is, the reason why you can't find anyone to do content in this game, is because of duty finder. EVERYONE IS USING IT, there is no need to search or what have ya.

So you would have progressed just as far.

OH NO WHAT ABOUT THE WAIT TIMES..... you might say, well, YOU HAVE TO WAIT TO DO DUTY FINDER AS WELL... I would respond, idk, how many storys there are about people waiting hours for a group. At least you can make your own makeshift group if you there wasn't a reliance of duty finder.

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if duty finder is the problem, then explain why the same problem of not finding anyone to help existed in 1.0 and XI both of which didn't have a duty finder/dungeon finder...I think there might be a hole in your argument.

look we get it, you hate everything that makes the game convenient or accessable, you're devoted to XI ("Your sad devotion to that ancient religion.... stupid star wars referance, etc.). You've literally complained about everything that has been added to XIV since 1.0 went live (some of which you've flip flopped on worse than Romney), could you please quit complaining already.

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Originally Posted by Pandastirfry

if duty finder is the problem, then explain why the same problem of not finding anyone to help existed in 1.0 and XI boh of which didn't have a duty finder/dungeon finder...I think there might be a hole in your argument.

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1.0 had nobody playing.

Even when I played 1.0 I was able to get a group together within 1 hour(same time as duty finder). XI I could also get a group together in one hour(same time as duty finder). There is no hole, you just have to be good at making groups, or be lucky, which I am both. ALSO in 1.0 there wasn't a very good party search program in place.

EDIT: I have not flipped flopped on anything, please give quotes. If you are going to make such ludicrous claims.

To help you out in your search, please, use this : http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/s...rchid=16096686

There you go, 131 threads to look at to find all my flipp flopp shenanigans .


(Making parties from members of your ls does not count as "Being able to make a party in less than an hour" we're talking about PUGs)

In FFXI ALL my parties were PUG, and I was main thf. The only time I had to wait, was when I didn't create a party, and that would be a few hour wait. When I did create my own party, it was 30mins to an hour to get a full party.

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Originally Posted by ErBear

1.0 had nobody playing.

Even when I played 1.0 I was able to get a group together within 1 hour(same time as duty finder). XI I could also get a group together in one hour(same time as duty finder). There is no hole, you just have to be good at making groups, or be lucky, which I am both. ALSO in 1.0 there wasn't a very good party search program in place.

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yeah... I believe that...no really I do.



no I don't. (Making parties from members of your ls does not count as "Being able to make a party in less than an hour" we're talking about PUGs)

I LOVE duty finders. I can play how i want, when i want, and even though some times are a wait, it's not even close compared to games/times that didn't have them. My most loathed moment was in WoW, back in 1.0, trying to find a group for Zul'furak. I spent two hours shouting. I never did get a group, most either were looking for tanks or healers or run only with their guilds. "So get in a guild" i hear you say, i was, they didn't need a warlock either or were at raiding. I simply stopped running dungeons at that point, and played solo.

I have never seen a "community" in an mmo, even without duty finders. Most only run with guilds, play with friends, or similar. The only people i even vaguely remember from my close to decade of play in WoW are Magicevan, with his almost constant spamming for people to join his AV group (he did this for years, every day.), and Armani, a creative crafter who always had interesting messages in chat to promote gear he made, and then priced several times more than it should be worth. I don't remember anyone else, and never saw this helpful community people seem to talk about.

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Originally Posted by Amyas

Why? So people can get to 50 like in 1.0 still not able to do story mode ifrit because they can't find people on their server willing to help them?

DF is the best thing to happen to XIV

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except for you know making FFXIV know for having one of the worst communities ever. i actually agree with rokien to a point give something for people on the same server as well as using duty finder.

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Originally Posted by ErBear

1.0 had nobody playing.

Even when I played 1.0 I was able to get a group together within 1 hour(same time as duty finder). XI I could also get a group together in one hour(same time as duty finder). There is no hole, you just have to be good at making groups, or be lucky, which I am both. ALSO in 1.0 there wasn't a very good party search program in place.

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Actually, PF has the benefit of either better players or more accountability for players. It has its own rewards. It also is the only option for coil.

As they add content, PF might be the only option for some content. It's really a nice feature. Probably my favorite part of this patch. (Aside from Good King Moggle Mog)

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Originally Posted by rabbitzero

I LOVE duty finders. I can play how i want, when i want, and even though some times are a wait, it's not even close compared to games/times that didn't have them. My most loathed moment was in WoW, back in 1.0, trying to find a group for Zul'furak. I spent two hours shouting. I never did get a group, most either were looking for tanks or healers or run only with their guilds. "So get in a guild" i hear you say, i was, they didn't need a warlock either or were at raiding. I simply stopped running dungeons at that point, and played solo.
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I didn't say get rid of duty finder, I said make it where it's discouraged.

You help no one but yourself when you do duty finder, you don't help the overall economy of your server, you don't help fellow players(you should know full well how that feels).

There is already Party Finder in the game already, you don't have to use the Duty Finder. Most people now use DF to practice anyway. Making your own party through Party Finder you can weave out the bad one and make Friends with people who are good at their job, especially Tank and Healer, it will help you a lot in the end game.

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Originally Posted by Zaiken

Making your own party through Party Finder you can weave out the bad one...

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..Girl, don't nobody want a bad weave!

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Originally Posted by KoujiGeki

except for you know making FFXIV know for having one of the worst communities ever. i actually agree with rokien to a point give something for people on the same server as well as using duty finder.

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I am to understand...they did...it's called "Party Finder"

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Originally Posted by Pandastirfry

I am to understand...they did...it's called "Party Finder"

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Great it's a step forward, happy after 3 years they were able to do do something, even if it's a little, though, I'm still waiting on my flip flop.

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Originally Posted by ErBear

Great it's a step forward, happy after 3 years they were able to do do something, even if it's a little, though, I'm still waiting on my flip flop.

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I'll get right on that...when I muster the ability to care as deeply about comments and warped ideas about MMO "communities" as much as you do.


hope you're comfy it's going to be a long wait.
(By the way, your link goes to a "Sorry No Message" page....so...yeah there's that too)

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Originally Posted by Pandastirfry

I am to understand...they did...it's called "Party Finder"

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yes great now add a party finder reward bonus to and were golden.

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Originally Posted by KoujiGeki

except for you know making FFXIV know for having one of the worst communities ever. i actually agree with rokien to a point give something for people on the same server as well as using duty finder.

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How can anyone say that ff 14 has the worst communities in an MMo ever when.. Wow Exists(and to a lesser extent eve but people go in there for the getting fucked over)

Lol. I thought lack of a Dungeon Finder tool in RIFT was great, that it would help to build a close community, until i tried to do a dungeon. On the server i had the best latency with when it came out, i did my FIRST dungeon at level 49, despite shouting and shouting (Had a macro i hit every few minutes into General Chat) all the way up through the levels. Never did the first dungeon until i made my fourth character.

The Duty Finder here is a great tool for those wanting to just play with people. I do dungeons a LOT, i level my alt jobs almost exclusively through them, now and in 2.0, and very very rarely came across a group with trolls in it. One time i can remember clearly/have screenshots of, is in AV, failed a few times on final boss, timer was close to done, people were swearing at each other, yet i managed to get them to work together for a kill. The kind of close warm cuddly server community you are imagining cannot and will not ever happen. You will get FC and LS segregation based on perceived skill and gear quality. Sure, people can be dicks sometimes in the DF. Those same people will be dicks on their own server too, presence of DF be damned.

I just started playing this game and I am not intending on joining a guild because by April I will be playing TESO. So for me the duty finder is a good thing as I don't have to make any lasting connections with players here within a guild structure. Yes I am also anti social. :p

I just can't afford to have subs for this game and TESO so I will have to pick one or the other.

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Originally Posted by Relshar

I just started playing this game and I am not intending on joining a guild because by April I will be playing TESO. So for me the duty finder is a good thing as I don't have to make any lasting connections with players here within a guild structure. Yes I am also anti social. :p

I just can't afford to have subs for this game and TESO so I will have to pick one or the other.

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Have you tried the beta? Things aren't looking too good so far. I hated it and I was really really hoping it would be amazing. Nothing about that game is ES except the races. God I hope they fix it by release.

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Originally Posted by ErBear

1.0 had nobody playing.

Even when I played 1.0 I was able to get a group together within 1 hour(same time as duty finder). XI I could also get a group together in one hour(same time as duty finder).

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Oh trust me, I could shout for Ifrit HM and get a party in 15 mins in 1.0. People didn't want to help random strangers with content, in 1.0, and just about any MMO in my limited mmo experience.

Also with DF, I get instant dungeons. If I don't, I'm checking the df status. If I had to wait an hour to even attempt to clear content I don't think I'd be playing as much as I do.