Q: will individual housing prices be based off server Gil amount like the FC housing?

I am curious if SE will base the individual housing prices off how much Gil is on a server, player, FC vault, retainers etc, like they did for the FC houses.

This could be a problem for the players if this happens because, as we all know, not many people are spending their Gil so they can help save for the FC houses and be ready for personal houses when they release. If everyone has enormous amounts of Gil mountains and SE decides to do their math...we end up paying out our ears?

I really hope not. I can understand if the want to put a gil sink for huge expensive houses. But a basic simple house should not cost anyone their life savings.

By the time personal housing comes out my FC probably won't even have enough for a medium FC house yet. If personal housing costs anything even remotely close to FC housing, well, they could just as well not implement it because barely anyone will experience it.

dunno what cost but im willing put my hand to fire that personal housing = customizable inn room

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Originally Posted by Rolvag

dunno what cast but im willing put my hand to fire that personal housing = customizable inn room

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It better not be, or I for one will be pissed.

If individual housing price based off server Gil amount...then new player who started in Legacy Server like me, is going to go homeless forever I guess.

Yeah all of you have legitimate concerns. I fear the worst, but hope for the best.

If personal housing is cutomizable mog house or the size of one I'm going to be really upset too.

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that personal housing will be much cheaper.

Also I'm not going to invest in personal housing cause they offer no real features or currently have none officially stated to date. Storage and the idea of somewhere to hang out is nice but I'm truly interested in chocobo's, gardening and the crafter stations currently offered only by FC housing in the following patches.

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Originally Posted by Rolvag

dunno what cost but im willing put my hand to fire that personal housing = customizable inn room

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This, and the price will be cheap due to this.

It's going to be a customizable inn room, no doubt about it. I don't see them using the same plots layout for FC as they do for "personal housing", and I highly doubt they will make anything new other than a fancy instance entrance for your personal inn room.

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Originally Posted by Dreadlockrasta

This, and the price will be cheap due to this.

It's going to be a customizable inn room, no doubt about it. I don't see them using the same plots layout for FC as they do for "personal housing", and I highly doubt they will make anything new other than a fancy instance entrance for your personal inn room.

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They don't need to use the same size plots as the FC housing - they can make different size plots pretty easy since the foundation from the FC plots has been made. They could use the same plot sizes though since there will be gardening and chocobo stuff outside the house. The actual houses though should have the smallest house the size of an Inn sure, but the biggest needs to be considerably bigger then an inn but smaller than the FC mansion. If they want to give us the FC mansion size though I will take that!

It doesn't have to be an inn for the prices to be cheap. The prices don't really need to be cheap, but they need to be affordable.

I feel like if they were just giving us houses the size of an inn it would have made it into 2.1 and not 6 months later. I hope they have enough servers or whatever though so they don't jack the prices up to keep people from buying a house until they can make more servers.

I just hope SE doesn't let us down with this personal housing and the sizes of houses and land we can buy. We need to be shocked and awed (in a good way) after the pricing fiasco and limitations of the FC house servers.

I love the idea of walking through a housing town/city and I can't wait for the FC districts to be swarming with life. It won't happen any time soon though even with the price lowering I don't think...ESP if the personal housing is costly.

There is no excuse for SE to not be able to get enough servers to support personal homes, especially after they are going to have like 6+ months past release to anticipate the need and set them up. They are a AAA company for gawd's sake; not some poor indie studio.

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Originally Posted by Nialle

There is no excuse for SE to not be able to get enough servers to support personal homes, especially after they are going to have like 6+ months past release to anticipate the need and set them up. They are a AAA company for gawd's sake; not some poor indie studio.

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People need to consider that personal housing is going to be per player. Take 600,000 subscribers and they each get their own personal home with a certain number of set items and etc.

Because we know personal housing will more then likely be cheap, most players will have their own, meaning if 80% of 600,000 subscribers or more of the population gets one, you can expect a gigantic amount of information space required.

We need to look at this from a logical point of view. Not from I feel this or feel that SE is not doing their job or not thinking properly. Cause 600,000 personal instances, each one being unique, is not something like 450 FC lots that we have at the current time.

We go from a couple hundred too possibly half a million or more instances. Not too mention if they don't limit the amount of houses per person, some people could buy multiples.

I wouldn't be surprised if we crashed x100 times at personal housing release.

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Originally Posted by Xystic

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that personal housing will be much cheaper.

Also I'm not going to invest in personal housing cause they offer no real features or currently have none officially stated to date. Storage and the idea of somewhere to hang out is nice but I'm truly interested in chocobo's, gardening and the crafter stations currently offered only by FC housing in the following patches.

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the previous letter from the producer stated that personal housing will be much cheaper. However, SE doesn't necessarily keep their words as shown by their track record.

Did somewhere say that chocobo and gardening only available in FC house?

They really should remove the possibility of selling the deeds between players and just cap each character to 1 housing limit. If people want to move houses, they can just sell the land back to the NPC where people would buy from it.

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Originally Posted by chococo

the previous letter from the producer stated that personal housing will be much cheaper. However, SE doesn't necessarily keep their words as shown by their track record.

Did somewhere say that chocobo and gardening only available in FC house?

They really should remove the possibility of selling the deeds between players and just cap each character to 1 housing limit. If people want to move houses, they can just sell the land back to the NPC where people would buy from it.

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Like I stated, none of the letters have officially stated anything special for personal housing. Although, there aren't specific notifications for only FC housing we know that this information, gardening, chocobo and crafter stations were released along during the FC-live interview, meaning FC houses were more then likely or the only ones we know to likely receive these at the current time, on top of the fact that even questions were answered for some of the features.

The fact that personal housing will be much cheaper, means it will more then likely not have as many features as something that costs multiple arms and legs. That would be highly illogical if we charge people 4million+ for a small FC house with these features when you can each personally buy your own personal house at say, 600k+ and have all these features.

From a logical view point, it is highly unlikely, personal housing would receive multiples or any of these features.

Not to mention, FC lots, require players to really be dedicated to the FC. It puts a lot of stress on social interactions and trust. Giving them these specific features continues to promote the use of FCs. Giving personal housing too many of these features will draw this more into a single player RPG game versus a MMO.

Not impossible that personal housing may get some features but I would not put my bets on it knowing these facts.

That is why my FC and I are investing in a FC house versus a personal house. If things do flip flop, we could easily buy dozens of personal houses even after purchasing a good quality FC lot. We are aiming the safest route versus sitting and waiting to be possibly disappointed.

Two things.

1. If you think personal housing will be affordable, then you don't learn from history, very very recent history. Remember, until FC Housing prices were announced, we were told that the gil earned by going lvl1-50 on three character would be enough for a FC housing...

2. To those that think FFXIV would have a hard time giving all of us personal housing, remember FFXI gave each character/mule their own moghouse which is the same idea as in FFXIV, a small area that you can customize. So if 11 year old FFXI can do it, it would be expected that FFXIV can handle it. Besides, if a small FC house is the same size as a FFXI Moghouse then personal housing will probably be less than half the size of your INN ROOM.

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Remember, until FC Housing prices were announced, we were told that the gil earned by going lvl1-50 on three character would be enough for a FC housing

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It was never claimed that price range would be for FC houses. Re-read the transcript.

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Originally Posted by Nialle

It was never claimed that price range would be for FC houses. Re-read the transcript.

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If you are using the gil that you and 3 of your friends can save up by leveling 1-50 via the storyline (so 4 people) to buy a house, then that is NOT a personal house. It would be group housing. Which then implies, by your logic, that personal housing can be shared.

So either, we can share personal homes with other players, the 3-4 player level 1-50 savings comment DID refer to FC small housing, or SE expects only 1/4 people to buy personal homes...with donations from their friends who are happy to live out in the cold wet streets for them.

Also, it's probably not just a coincidence that in order to start a FC in the first place you need someone to unlock it and 3 people to sign the petition...or you know, you+3 friends....

Oh, and the ONLY housing SE has shown us thus far, and the only features shown have been those of FC housing...

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Originally Posted by Kinseykinz

If you are using the gil that you and 3 of your friends can save up by leveling 1-50 via the storyline (so 4 people) to buy a house, then that is NOT a personal house. It would be group housing. Which then implies, by your logic, that personal housing can be shared.

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Where did he ever say the housing price would be 4 people saving the quest gil they got from leveling to 50? He said it would cost around the amount of gil you get from leveling a class to 50 TIMES THREE (so around 500k x 3, since I've heard people say that if you saved most all your quest gil you'd have around 500k at 50). He never said 'four separate people's worth of savings for one house' in the original vid where they talked about housing costs. He was talking about personal house pricing in that vid, not FC houses.

Every statement they ever made about 'FC House Pricing' up until patch 2.1 was just 'It will be based on the economy's gil amounts and we can't say what it will be until the patch releases'. There was never any 'lying about house costs' going on.

They failed to realize how many people in an effort to make money turned to one of the few places they can make money which is the market place. Which caused massive price drops the hardest hit were the "Legacy worlds" and the nonlegacy players who joined that server to play with their friends who were legacy. I think they need to come up with new ways in which to decide prices on the new things that come out because all the new system does is push players who are impatient or tired of working hard to make money into the arms of RMT. What they should do for the player housing is announce a rough estimate of what the prices for the houses might be watch the markets on each world and the FC's and see how each economy reacts and adjust the prices accordingly. So that new content makes the game more enjoyable for all not just some like has been my experience lately.

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Originally Posted by MagicWand

I really hope not. I can understand if the want to put a gil sink for huge expensive houses. But a basic simple house should not cost anyone their life savings.

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Thats the thing though gill sink my bum i think they underestimated that ppl would be that blown away that fcs would just blow all there money on a shoe box with 100s of members.. BAH!!! i know in behemoth 3 yes just 3 house to date have been sold all small places just moved to tonberry to day so I'm yet to see but i guessing not many

I think the personal homes will be more like large inn rooms or maybe just a private yard (no neighbors) with a house. Several reasons: Wards are fine for hundreds of FCs but they don't seem to scale to thousands or even tens of thousands of characters on each world. There would need to be like 200 wards per city. Also, the medium or large house seems too huge for just one person, especially considering the cost of enough furniture to fill it. That's 33% of each ward that would have no purpose.

But some of the decisions SE made about housing don't make sense to me, and SE has said almost nothing about personal housing, so I won't try to predict what personal housing will be like.

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Originally Posted by Rolvag

dunno what cost but im willing put my hand to fire that personal housing = customizable inn room

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Same. I'm thinking similar to FFXI rent-a-room with some yard space.

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Originally Posted by Nialle

It better not be, or I for one will be pissed.

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Sorry, but I'm just no seeing SE having the hardware to maintain and display THOUSANDS of houses for all the players in wards similar to FC housing. There's just no logical way except individually instanced areas for each player with the ability to enter a friends' house.

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Originally Posted by Pinworms

It doesn't have to be an inn for the prices to be cheap. The prices don't really need to be cheap, but they need to be affordable.

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If you pay attention to how the story/game is played out to you then you'd notice that YOU are the hero, not your group. A personal house could be a rewarded plot of land in your own instance for deeds at a later time. This allows your individual house to stand alone, but doesn't line up thousands of houses in wards similar to FC housing. They seriously do NOT have the hardware to keep all those instances stored and displayed at all times.

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Originally Posted by Cegiana

2. To those that think FFXIV would have a hard time giving all of us personal housing, remember FFXI gave each character/mule their own moghouse which is the same idea as in FFXIV, a small area that you can customize. So if 11 year old FFXI can do it, it would be expected that FFXIV can handle it. Besides, if a small FC house is the same size as a FFXI Moghouse then personal housing will probably be less than half the size of your INN ROOM.

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That's entirely doable, and is what we've been saying. An individually instanced house is something the game can handle. What the game can't handle is thousands of uniquely decorated player houses lined up in wards similar to FC housing for all the players on the server. Instancing works, wards don't.

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Originally Posted by Nova_Dresden

Sorry, but I'm just no seeing SE having the hardware to maintain and display THOUSANDS of houses for all the players in wards similar to FC housing. There's just no logical way except individually instanced areas for each player with the ability to enter a friends' house.

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Man, I wonder how LOTRO managed it. Magic, I guess!

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Originally Posted by Nialle

Man, I wonder how LOTRO managed it. Magic, I guess!

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They managed it by having the infrastructure in place to handle it as well as combining personal and group housing into the same housing. Also all of your characters on your account share the EXACT same house. Also according to the Wiki:

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Each neighborhood consists of 30 houses:

16 standard houses
10 deluxe houses
4 kinship houses

Each server starts with a small number of neighborhoods. When all the houses in one neighborhood are sold, a new instance is generated and more houses become available for purchase. While this process is expansive, it is not indefinite. As a result, some servers, such as the highly populous Brandywine, have had issues with shortages of certain housing types.

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Even their system is reaching its limitations and can't sustain what players want. Servers on FFXIV:ARR have been lacking since Beta and they aren't about to do a major overhaul to give you houses when they barely did it so that we could actually log in to the game in the first month.

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Originally Posted by Nialle

Man, I wonder how LOTRO managed it. Magic, I guess!

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I don't think LOTRO was available to play on PS3, was it?


I'm not saying that every problem should be forgiven with the, "well, that's the tradeoff for allowing PS3 players to play!" answer, but, I do think that a sizeable amount of problems that FF14 faces, are due to the cross-platform nature of the product.


Hopefully the move over to PS4 in February will solve some of the limitation issues.

Then again, PS3 players are still going to be able to log in and play in February when the PS4 version drops. So, I don't know what the answer to this is.

I think this is something that gets overlooked a lot. I remember that Funcom tried to make Age of Conan available for PS3, but couldn't pull it off due to limitations/conflicts between the PC and PS3 versions.

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Originally Posted by OSUBuckeye4

Hopefully the move over to PS4 in February will solve some of the limitation issues.

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It won't. Consoles are a double-edged sword with this kind of stuff. You can get more players, therefore more accounts and more revenue. The tradeoff is that you ALWAYS have to make sure that all content is playable on that console. FFXI was released on the PS2 and PC first in Japan, and still has to be playable on PS2 hardware. Even though PCs have greatly improved and you can play on XBOX 360, FFXI will forever be limited by hardware limitations on the PS2. It's one of the reasons World of Warcraft never went console. They would never be able to improve graphics or engines for the environment if it had to match console hardware/software.

I would not mind the house being an individual instance as long as it's big, has a yard, and others can enjoy it also.

I'm going to bet all the unsold Small Land plots right now will be made available to be purchased at a "Personal Housing" Price. Since Many FC's will not want a small house, and that will serve to fill in all the gaps in the Wards.

Hope they make the house size bigger than cause they are little lol.

I don't know about legacy servers but for non-legacy servers this make sense to me. Land price should be a relative value compare to all other stuffs on MB.

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Originally Posted by Pinworms

Hope they make the house size bigger than cause they are little lol.

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Yeah, the small size of FC house is soooooooo small even for a personal house.