Is there a thread anywhere that discusses the pros and cons of these two things being linked? Just wondering what people think about this system going forward. Will it be too restrictive when it comes to creating new classes? I suppose if they needed other classes to use swords they could, for example, just classify them as "war swords" or "knight swords" etc etc.
Or maybe all classes that use swords will come from the gladiator and the weapon will be shared amongst them.
Thoughts?
Classes/Jobs and Weapons
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06-13-2011, 03:04 PMGodrycClasses/Jobs and Weapons
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06-13-2011, 03:45 PMSydeBeheln
I think it's been officially stated, that the class per job is 1-1. So PUG=MNK, MRD=WAR, GLD=PLD...etc...
So if the system is that basic, then weapons for jobs must be equal to the class that unlocks them.
Unless which I hope in theory is what they do, treat classes as requirements to unlock jobs, but treat classes as the weapon levels for jobs.
So for example, Warrior can use Great axe, Sword, H2H, and Lances. To level the Warriors efficiency with those weapons, would require the Warrior to level the class that is connected to those weapons.
Kinda similar to ffxi's versions of skilling up weapons. However, weapons(or classes) still have the ability to play as independent units. -
06-13-2011, 03:50 PMSydeBeheln
Also to add to the other questions you had about multiple similar weapon types, I don't think that will ever be a situation. If they release new classes, each class will use their own weapon, or else the entire system in the first place is useless.
The original DATS showed another sword user called a Fencer, however fencer uses rapier's which I guess is SE's excuse to create another sword type class. But as far as just standard swords, will belong to GLD. -
06-14-2011, 12:55 AMthenewzero
People have tossed around the idea that there might also be "Job specific weapons", since the devs mentioned job specific equipment. So for instance, if say they added Dark Knight later on, instead of adding a Scythe class, they could just have Scythe weapons that can be used by Marauders as long as they have Dark Knight set as their job. The same thing could be done with say Rapiers for Red Mages as Thaumaturge.
I do hope that the class just unlocks the job to be used, not that they are locked into that class only. So you could be a Lancer/Paladin if you wanted to, but it might not necessarily be the best. -
06-14-2011, 02:32 AMGathThe only similarities that PUG has with MNK is the H2H and Second Wind (Chakra).....if you want to see what it's more comparable to, that would be THF, friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by SydeBeheln
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06-14-2011, 02:35 AMDrogyn
For these jobs, has there been a post clarifying if you have to start at rank 1 with the job or would it match the rank your current class is?
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06-14-2011, 02:40 AMArchadiusSadly no, only speculation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drogyn
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06-14-2011, 02:43 AMDrogynHopefully Yoshi give us a little more info on this. Thanks!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Archadius
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06-14-2011, 03:58 AMSydeBehelnI am not the one who posted that information, one of the dev's did... friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gath
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06-14-2011, 04:41 AMTeknoman
I dont think they've ever stated anything official aside from suggesting that Gladiator would be able to take on a Paladin job, and that was in that Dengeki interview/ an example posted by Bayohne.
The Pugilist -> Monk is just an assumption since they use hand to hand combat weapons. Same as we dont know what magic classes will be able to take on a specific mage job yet. -
06-14-2011, 04:43 AMViridianaI'm almost certain it's been stated that they unlock at whatever rank the class is, but I can't find it for the life of me. . .Quote:
Originally Posted by Drogyn
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06-14-2011, 05:00 AMzaviermhigo
job specific weapons would work if they make the weapons unique and awesome.
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06-14-2011, 05:03 AMTeknomanIt was a quote from a Denkgeki magazine interview. However, we dont know when jobs can be unlocked, and whether or not you can just stay that job and you'll still get SP towards a level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Viridiana
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06-14-2011, 05:07 AMViridianaWell, that explains why the search feature was getting me no where. . .Quote:
Originally Posted by Teknoman
And now I'm curious about those two questions. >_< -
06-14-2011, 12:13 PMSydeBehelnBayone er w.e posted a dev post on it, go look it up it wasn't that long ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teknoman
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06-17-2011, 02:44 AMViridianaJust got posted over in General Discussion:Quote:
Originally Posted by Drogyn
So, no more speculation? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bayohne
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06-21-2011, 03:54 AMAldarin
This will make me quite sad. There is no reason that a specific class should be required for a specific job. I can understand making the level of a job equal to the level of the class in order to prevent people from needing to level both jobs and classes. However they could simply have jobs be a title and the level based off of the current weapon. This seems like SE is taking a shortcut by squeezing jobs into the class system, which might be faster, but provides no benefits over a title system and a lot of consequences.
for a description of a title system. Titles/jobs are unlocked after a class has reached a certain level. It can then be assigned in addition to your current class/weapon, thereby restricting skill equipable but providing other benefits and abilities. people can then look at the combined job/weapon to determine expected party roles. -
06-21-2011, 11:11 PMGathWell, friend, they only confirmed ONE of them, none of the Devs have said that PUG WILL be MNK.Quote:
Originally Posted by SydeBeheln
Only sort of confirmed is GLD as PLD, but none of this is set in stone. -
06-23-2011, 08:26 AMLerris
The original design of the system was that we would not have levelling, but only skillups. In this context, tying weapons to "classes" makes perfect sense.
The addition of physical level to the design just confused the issue, as did linking hitpoints and spell points to current class.