Shield BAsh and the GCD

Take it of the GCD.

No.
- A Warrior

You already have silence. Leave the stun-on-demand for warriors and dragoons.

ah but ur negating the 4 man dungeon experience

Please don't. I like being able to use my stun every 2.5 seconds.

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Originally Posted by FMElan

Please don't. I like being able to use my stun every 2.5 seconds.

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you dont uderstand gcd.

i ahve all day for noobs who talk over experienced players. if im in a hate rotation and i see a blocakble aoe i should have access to my utility skill asap instead of wait to the gcd. that is the grey timer over your skill buttons when ever u skill or spell.

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Originally Posted by Sogi

i ahve all day for noobs who talk over experienced players. if im in a hate rotation and i see a blocakble aoe i should have access to my utility skill asap instead of wait to the gcd. that is the grey timer over your skill buttons when ever u skill or spell.

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Sounds like the 'noob' isn't who you think it is if you don't have access to your stun when a stunnable enemy ws comes up...

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Originally Posted by Sogi

you dont uderstand gcd.

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Oh no, I do. You don't understand that if they take it off the GCD, it means we can use it "instantly" without having to plan for a stun, which means that it would come with a heftier cooldown. And that's something I *don't* want, because being able to use it whenever the GCD's up helps a hell of a lot more when you're fighting multiple enemies with AoE's, or if you simply screw up and stun the enemy at the wrong time.

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Originally Posted by Amyas

Sounds like the 'noob' isn't who you think it is if you don't have access to your stun when a stunnable enemy ws comes up...

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u get a D for effort

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Originally Posted by Sogi

i ahve all day for noobs who talk over experienced players. if im in a hate rotation and i see a blocakble aoe i should have access to my utility skill asap instead of wait to the gcd. that is the grey timer over your skill buttons when ever u skill or spell.

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Or, you know, do what skilled players do and anticipate the ability ahead of time.

Warrior's stun being off GCD is a lie. Try using your stun in the middle of your tanking rotation, there'll be 1 second of delay... Compare to 2.5 second GCD on pld, pld got it easy with no cooldowns.

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Originally Posted by FMElan

Oh no, I do. You don't understand that if they take it off the GCD, it means we can use it "instantly" without having to plan for a stun, which means that it would come with a heftier cooldown. And that's something I *don't* want, because being able to use it whenever the GCD's up helps a hell of a lot more when you're fighting multiple enemies with AoE's, or if you simply screw up and stun the enemy at the wrong time.

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why does off the GCD, mean long recast. that strange that u think the develompent cant make a skill off the gcd and still use tp.

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Originally Posted by Codek

Or, you know, do what skilled players do and anticipate the ability ahead of time.

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Alternatively, if you're fighting a new boss that you don't know the rotation of, you slow down your own so you're better able to see the skills coming up. >_>

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Originally Posted by Sogi

u get a D for effort

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Just saying, any content that needs stuns can be solo tanked easily by a paladin while stunning all abilities. GG, pld tanking is so braindead easy as is, you want to make it even more so? All you have to do is slow down your combo when the stunnable ability is coming up ffs!

WEll your punishing yourselves. Over and out.

It is pretty annoying trying to build hate while having to watch for stuns.

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Originally Posted by Sogi

why does off the GCD, mean long recast. that strange that u think the develompent cant make a skill off the gcd and still use tp.

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Because TP doesn't balance it out at all. Being able to use your Shield Bash off the GCD every three seconds, regardless of whether it costs TP or not, is broken.

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Originally Posted by Sogi

WEll your punishing yourselves. Over and out.

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Originally Posted by Doo

It is pretty annoying trying to build hate while having to watch for stuns.

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Shouldn't be as bad with the new enmity buffs. It gets easier as you memorize patterns too. Sure hope none of the ex primals need stuns, they're random aren't they? Def need an off tank then.

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Originally Posted by Sogi

you dont understand that the utility is flawed because it availability its tinctured but the need to "wait and stun"

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No, you don't understand that our stun is the most useful in the game, and that has to come at a cost. "Wait and stun" is that cost. Don't like it? Play a Marauder or a Lancer and enjoy your 20-30 second cooldowns on stun.

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Originally Posted by FMElan

No, you don't understand that our stun is the most useful in the game, and that has to come at a cost. "Wait and stun" is that cost. Don't like it? Play a Marauder or a Lancer and enjoy your 20-30 second cooldowns on stun.

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can u be muted? wheres your off switch?

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Originally Posted by Amyas

Shouldn't be as bad with the new enmity buffs. It gets easier as you memorize patterns too. Sure hope none of the ex primals need stuns, they're random aren't they? Def need an off tank then.

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Not about pattern when you're in 24 man content trying to hold aggro. Solo tank ifrit pre-buff fine. Either way it's just annoying to have it on same cd as your hate holding abilities.

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Originally Posted by Doo

Not about pattern when you're in 24 man content trying to hold aggro.

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Ah CT. I think the only situation where you'd *need* stun is on the big succubi for their terror attack-thingy in the early part right? charge up seems to be enough for you to be stuck in combo and still stun it, though idk I've only went on war so far. Only mt'd too so idk if there are adds that *need* stuns.

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Originally Posted by Sogi

can u be muted? wheres your off switch?

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Originally Posted by Sogi

Take it of the GCD.

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The problem is not the global cooldown. It's the fact that it's influenced by animations, so previous animation needs to have ended before you perform the shield bash. This means that getting one in is just a matter of luck, as even autoattack will delay it.

I'm fine with global cooldown, but animations should not delay any kind of timing related moves, like stuns and silences.

Welcome to FFXIV: ARR, the first MMOM (Massively Multiplayer Online Memory) game.

The goal? Failing content until you know it by heart, and can play without watching your screen. It's a wonder why they bothered with the amazing graphics.

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Originally Posted by Billie21

Welcome to FFXIV: ARR, the first MMOM (Massively Multiplayer Online Memory) game.

The goal? Failing content until you know it by heart, and can play without watching your screen. It's a wonder why they bothered with the amazing graphics.

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Yeh failing is bad.. much more fun to just run to loot, grab it, log out, go to forum and scream "no content"

Less effort, no skills and more bling bling, thats the real future of gaming :)

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Originally Posted by Phai

Yeh failing is bad.. much more fun to just run to loot, grab it, log out, go to forum and scream "no content"

Less effort, no skills and more bling bling, thats the real future of gaming :)

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The sad thing is it's probably true.

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Originally Posted by Billie21

The sad thing is it's probably true.

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Dont scare me plz, it xmas and all -.-

:)

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Originally Posted by Phai

Dont scare me plz, it xmas and all -.-

:)

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You scared yourself, man. Just look at the game, and you tell me where's the "skill difficulty"? The only variable is the speed at which you'll get your shiny. Effort = patience/time (which many don't have, you're right)

you do realize if they put shield bash off the GCD the cooldown would be terrible... look at WAR off GCD stun oh don't you forget the 1,7 delay of it actually happening

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Originally Posted by Sogi

Take it of the GCD.

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Seeing how animation locks cause you to only get one non-GCD action off in between attacks anyway, removing it from the GCD won't change how often you can use it.

And if you were somehow able to use it more frequently than you can now, it would still be fully resisted in a matter of seconds. You'd never want to spam it even if you could.

I'd rather see it so that Shield Bash no longer interrupts building combos.

I agree stuns/interrupts should be instant and off the GCD.. even if they have to have a CD at that point it's still way better than they are now.

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Originally Posted by Sogi

i ahve all day for noobs who talk over experienced players. if im in a hate rotation and i see a blocakble aoe i should have access to my utility skill asap instead of wait to the gcd. that is the grey timer over your skill buttons when ever u skill or spell.

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So pretty much "I want to play a game with 0 decision making and trade-offs." Idk what boss just spanked you, but this is a terrible idea.

GLD/PLD already has a 6 second stun, the longest lasting stun that I'm aware of. Taking it off GCD and giving it a short cooldown like you probably want is a bit much, eh?

Leave it on the GCD.

Many MMOs have interrupts off GCD. Stuns are usually an extra thing for tanks to use during their rotations that makes things more fun and a bit more random. In FFXIV, tanks have to babysit stuns, sometimes pausing threat rotations to wait to use a stun. If the tank is particularly good at stunning, then the tank also has to deal with enemies building stun resistance. Instead of being fun, stuns in FFXIV are annoying.

Take stuns off GCD. Stuns should not disrupt threat combos or otherwise annoy the tank. That's not fun. Warriors and paladins should also have the same stun: instant, off GCD stun with 7-10s cooldown. (Also remove the disabling effect, turn the stun into an interrupt.) If FFXIV wants stun resistance, then design fights so that the dangerous interruptible attacks are spaced out far enough that good tanks can stun them all.

Paladins only press 1-2-3 as it is. God forbid they actually have to think about when to spend a GCD on stun or something.

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Originally Posted by IndigoHawk

Many MMOs have interrupts off GCD. Stuns are usually an extra thing for tanks to use during their rotations that makes things more fun and a bit more random. In FFXIV, tanks have to babysit stuns, sometimes pausing threat rotations to wait to use a stun. If the tank is particularly good at stunning, then the tank also has to deal with enemies building stun resistance. Instead of being fun, stuns in FFXIV are annoying.

Take stuns off GCD. Stuns should not disrupt threat combos or otherwise annoy the tank. That's not fun. Warriors and paladins should also have the same stun: instant, off GCD stun with 7-10s cooldown. (Also remove the disabling effect, turn the stun into an interrupt.) If FFXIV wants stun resistance, then design fights so that the dangerous interruptible attacks are spaced out far enough that good tanks can stun them all.

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QFT

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Working as intended. If people fail to remember predictable patterns then we fail as a generation of ADD gamers. I'm warrior. I have to keep three buffs up at the same time while holding threat and dealing burst damage. How do you think I feel knowing that if i mess up a stun I have to wait 20 secs for the next one?

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Originally Posted by Sogi

i ahve all day for noobs who talk over experienced players. if im in a hate rotation and i see a blocakble aoe i should have access to my utility skill asap instead of wait to the gcd. that is the grey timer over your skill buttons when ever u skill or spell.

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You're gonna have to put some effort into your typing and spelling skills if you want to be taken seriously pal