I am sorry but what was SE thinking ?

The story dungeons which are heavily loaded with cutscenes are also heavily farmed for tomes, so as in my case , many new level 50's are dragged through the ending of the epic tale with hardly a clue whats happening because some with nearly full gear are farming the bloody dungeon.

I personally havent even seen the 1st boss in that dungeon as I was in the cutscene when the group ran past the 1st set of mobs... meaning I couldnt get past them as a healer.
I sat at the start of my story run of the dungeon waiting for the shortcut to appear... I dont even know what the 1 st boss is in CM , I never saw it but I past the quest.

Thanks SE, epic story with pages torn out by impatient farmers.

only reason people do them after the first time is to farm tomestones otherwise no one will do them.

You must be on about CM or Prae.

Do people still do them ? Even for tomes ?

If ever you want to play back the cutscenes you missed, you can look them up in the Instances Tab in the Unending Journey book in one of the Inn Rooms.

However, that's a sorry consolation for someone who's wanting the immersion of a first-time story run-through of dungeons. Honestly, they should shield each cut-scene like they do the intro to trials and dungeons. Once cut-scene hits, everyone's shielded and waiting until everyone is done with the cut-scene. This way, first-timer's experiences aren't ruined by those who are greedily speed-running dungeons for Tomes. If you're doing CM/Pre, you can at least be considerate enough to wait for people to do their cut-scenes for the first time.

And those using the Roulette really have no excuse, they get a bonus 200 tomes for their trouble.

Exactly, the cutscenes in the Praetorium particularly lose a certain something when viewed through the Unending Journey, as the cutscenes show the whole party there backing the player up (who as far as the story is concerned, is leading them as 'an elite adventurer unit' on the assault into the fortress (like

when the party first jumps off the Enterprise right at the start, or the scene after Lahabrea uses Ultima and the party prepares to fight Ultima Weapon a second time

) - viewing the same scenes at the Inn all you see is your character and an empty background behind them.

Although I can understand after running the same dungeon over and over again players will get bored with seeing the same scenes, but, forcing a first time player to skip cutscenes in a DF party, is definitely not on. Luckily the parties I did my first CM/Prae run with were nice enough to let me watch the cutscenes, so not everyone are douchebags about it.

I usually don't mind people watching cutscenes, but the other day got a white mage that took so long reading them, the group was getting afk warnings on just about everyone. Watching cutscenes is one thing, but taking over 10 minutes to get through a two minute scene, you should really be working on your reading skills rather than playing video games.

Half the cutscenes don't even show in the inn either it's rather annoying.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Little_Ifrit

You must be on about CM or Prae.

Do people still do them ? Even for tomes ?

---

They do for the Duty Roulette. You get 300 every day from running 1 of them from that. Every time I do it everyone is in speed-run mode. Luckily, though, we've never had newcomers for some reason so they never got shafted.

While you can watch them in the inn, being forced to skip cutscenes is douche-y. Only thing I can say is to inform everyone at the start that you're new and you want to watch the cutscenes. If they don't like it they can leave. You're bound to find, at the very least, 1 nice person in an 8-man group.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Jynx

Half the cutscenes don't even show in the inn either it's rather annoying.

---

Pretty sure most outside of the ones of a spotlight turning are there.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Jynx

Half the cutscenes don't even show in the inn either it's rather annoying.

---

They all do. They're under the dungeon section.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Jynx

Half the cutscenes don't even show in the inn either it's rather annoying.

---

Some show up under the Duty list while others show up under the Main Scenario list. For example, there are thirteen cutscenes for CM under Duty, while the scenes depicting the aftermath and credits are listed under the quest under Main Scenario.

Well I did inform my group it was my 1st time... I even said if they wanted to speed run it I would leave to accommodate a more willing player in my place ... yet I got no answer just found myself stuck at the start while the whole lot had gone ahead.

... the moron of a tank even had a cheek to ask for commendations for dragging me through, so I cursed him to only find WHM items in every dungeon he ran.

Its not like I expected them to accommodate me, I was willing to leave to accommodate THEM.

Even with skipping the cut scenes, I'm still a bit lost about CM and Prae. People just ran through it, didn't explain anything, and I just quietly followed. When I asked for boss fight explanations, just got told to kill stuff. I will always off-tank these two because I'm not confident enough to mt.

It might get better, the more I get them in roulette though. Even if I'm just blindly following the crowd, I get a better gist of what's going on with repetition. It just sucks when people are unwilling to explain or give advice, even when you directly ask them.

I've been in CM parties where the MT will leave 2-3 people behind and just start a boss battle cause he/she's god and doesn't need the full party. Some people just can't play well with others. Why they choose to play a MMO is beyond me.

Get over it. Prae is long enough already without the cutscenes. If there's a cutscene watcher in the group that insists on slowing down the run, I change to a bikini before cutscenes to ruin the immersion for them.

Accept the reality of the situation: the vast majority of players have already finished these dungeons. If you want a genuine story mode experience, then thats what the Party Finder was introduced for. You'll have to wait longer for people to join but thats the price for your immersion. If you announce to your server that you're doing a story mode run I'm sure you'll eventually fill it up, even if you have to bribe a few extra members. In all Duty Finder runs people will likely value minimum effort in minimum time for maximum profit. That is the nature of MMOs.

The party finder option has a 'Story-Emphasis'/'No skipping cutscenes' section, but since the main tutorial really only puts you through the DF menu, I doubt newcomers will use it. If you want to enjoy the cutscene, go ahead. There is more than 1 of every job in the party, the members who want to speed run can go kill trash or whatever without you if they're so inclined. But I agree it's rude to rush people through.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Alyko

Get over it. Prae is long enough already without the cutscenes. If there's a cutscene watcher in the group that insists on slowing down the run, I change to a bikini before cutscenes to ruin the immersion for them.

---

I run my i70 geared WHM through there and watch every cutscene start to finish. This is the culmination of the hard work players have put into their characters to get here and deserve to watch them, and if someone wants to make the run longer due to rushing and leaving me there with the few that are watching them, its on them. Not me. wanna farm, thats what AK and WP are for

this is why I do these first time runs with a healer and/or tank friend of mine. you think you don't have to wait for me? that's too bad, my friends are more than willing to eat the 30 min penalty with me and you can wait for a new tank :)

(I know this doesn't help you much in your situation though, and I hope the people who did that with you get a groin kick soon)

note to self: add Jacian Daivik to friendslist :D

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by amnie

this is why I do these first time runs with a healer and/or tank friend of mine. you think you don't have to wait for me? that's too bad, my friends are more than willing to eat the 30 min penalty with me and you can wait for a new tank :)

(I know this doesn't help you much in your situation though, and I hope the people who did that with you get a groin kick soon)

---

I have done this a few times too, help someone and que with 4 people, sure, you can survive without one maybe, but without half the team? GL

yupp yupp. I'm not a huge fan of abuse of any kind, and when I'm on my healer I have no problem with just letting you die when you speed while others are left behind, either. *cough*cough*

They weren't

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Alyko

Get over it. Prae is long enough already without the cutscenes. If there's a cutscene watcher in the group that insists on slowing down the run, I change to a bikini before cutscenes to ruin the immersion for them.

---

Get over what ? That there are players there who dont care about the story or actual content but just need to grind and farm stuff to get more stuff to show off.

Its because of players who rush everything that content degrades in value, why spend all that time in making great content when its just consumed in moments without the players even noticing the work... all they see is drops and loot, 'stuff'.

You would probably be just as happy if all you had to do was press a single button and get drops all day long, by pass this whole playing malarkey and go straight to loot.