My question for the Crafting Q&A

There are so many questions I would love to get answers on for crafting but I havent seen this one anywhere,

At the momment it is possible for everyone to max out all their crafting jobs, will this continue to be the case when the level cap is raised?
My reason for asking this is if everyone can max level all crafts, they will never need anyone else to make goods for them thus this will have a strong impact on the economy of the game, either nobody sells anything because everyone can make their own gear/food/potions or everyone trying to sell their goods driving the prices rock bottom!

I only have 11 as a reference point, and in my oppinion only being able to specialise in one craft (too lvl 100), and sub any other craft (to 60),not counting fishing I know, benefited the economy.

Without a strong economy there will be no need for the AH so many are crying out for,
I understand that not everyone will level every craft to cap even if permited to, but even if only 25% of a server's population does,it will still have a great impact.

1 person has all crafts at cap, they can potentialy take 100% profit from the market place(by selling goods on all crafts), whilst putting 0% back ( not needing to buy any other goods)
1 person has one spesialised job, they can potentialy take 12.5% (1 in 8) of profit from the market, whilst putting back into 87.5% ( buying from the 7 other crafts )

I'm not crying out for chains to be placed on players but I do want duration from this game, and one of the good foundations to this is the economy.

I definitely think there should be some restrictions regarding crafting, and the one 100, rest 60 cap of XI seemed very fair, as you had to specialize, but could still do a wide variety with the other crafts.

Very much agreed! I am also curious as to the direction crafting is headed going forward, and hope they keep things like this in mind, and handle them very carefully. I would definitely welcome a system similar to XIs capping system on crafts, were they to adopt something similar.

Another thing I'm curious about, is if crafters will continue to have their own unique story-lines to look forward to in the future. It seems we will be more in the background, and serve more of a support purpose, in the future. I'm totally fine with that! I agree with a lot of people that crafters shouldn't be in the big fights, or main story-lines, but I still think the side stories/quests should stay. :D

I've heard mention of new tools for crafters that don't use the crafting mini-game. I think that this would be amazing! I believe that there are way too many craft ingredients being dropped, while crafting takes to long to use them all up, which throws off the economy. I'm starting to think that fixing the economy is their second priority after the battle system.

bad idea, these were supposed to be classes. why can i be any battle class but only 1 crafter? the time investment is deterent enough, its only like this because we been at initial cap for 9 months. One person being able to make something with out others doesnt effect the market that much

Bad idea to limit crafting. With the actual lack of content, leveling all crafts gives something to do. I think economy is overrated, so many players keep talking about economy this, economy that, lets leave economy to the real world where it belongs, i dont want its stench in my games.
If i invest the time and effort to craft in games, i do it for several reasons (fun, something to do, satisfaction of making equipment myself etc), i do NOT craft to make game money.
Besides given the amount of time and effort required to level crafting, dont worry, very few players will level all crafts so your precious economy wont be affected.
Last but not least, being able to level everything you want, is one of the very few standout features of this game, why take it away.

OP, I get what you're saying...

But I have to agree with the others who are posting. I feel that it is a very bad idea to limit crafters... especially with the lack of content that is in the game at the moment. Just like a battle class or gathering class... if people wish (and choose) to spend the time to get all their classes to cap then why should other people say its not fair or shouldn't be allowed?

If someone wants to take all of the crafts to cap all the power to them because it is a huge pain. If some don't like to craft and/or don't want to put the effort into it then that is their choice, and they can put their effort into getting whatever classes they want to cap. No one is forcing anyone to do anything in this game, and people shouldn't be limited and not be able to do what they want to do.

I also agree with Kaboro... I don't craft to make money or control the economy etc... I rank up crafting jobs because I enjoy doing them and if I want to take up every single one I should be able too. I like to help the people in my shell, to repair items for them and to help them make parts for things they need to craft. There is no greed factor in why I rank up all my classes, just a desire to help myself and others around me.

I also agree that being able to rank up everything to cap is one thing this does have going for it. Seems silly to restrict people when t hey want content and crafting is one thing people are kinda doing to kill time...

Restrictions were not an issue in XI.

The markets are flooded enough as we need hundreds of the same synthesis to rank up just once currently.

Other reasons come to mind like botting...

I'm glad you're having fun crafting, but you'll feel even more accomplished by specializing and reaching the top, while at the same time having balance added to the world.

I will have to add my voice to the no group and say I would prefer crafting were not limited. Crafters are classes in this game and if crafters are imposed a limit in XIV I want to see the same limitations placed on harvesters and battlers. 1 level 50 per archetype. What's fair is fair.

I do understand your points about a craft is a class, you get to start it as a main job so you should be able to leve as many as you want, but that wasnt my main point, my consern is with how it is going to affect the economy. If an AH does get introduced we will need a stable economy.

There are far more effective ways for SE to stabilize the economy than taking away the crafter's ability to level.

Putting the economy aside for a moment, I feel there are a few other reasons why we should consider a craft limiting system, that some people may overlook.

Crafting as it is now, is generally pretty easy and painless to level. It is really just a time sink, and not a ton of cost or market manipulation is involved. Leves alone provide with you enough materials and shards that you can take it as slow or fast as you fancy. When/if the crafting cap is raised, and servers become populated again, there will be a good number of hardcores around and people with time to burn, people that can very feasibly cap every craft they want to.

But look at casual Joe six-pack gamer, his only dream is to make high level and high quality skimpy leather equipment for his friends, his ls, and to sell for profit, this being his main source of income. He devotes half of his in game time to leveling this craft pretty much, so he can reach the cap and make a name for himself, a master in his craft of choice. Hoards of hardcores beat him to the punch though, and as his dream comes true, he feels all but totally empty inside.

The people with the time to max all crafts will have total market power, and too much of an advantage I feel. You cannot really compare it to maxing all battle classes, because DoW work together with each other, whereas crafting is more of a rivalry. Someone with all DoW classes maxed is an asset to have for any group! and can't really, in any way, make other players feel so obsolete.

This is mainly a concern for the future. As we sit now, all caps at 50 is fine to me! There is little in game content atm, so people who want to invest the time and effort in leveling all crafts should definitely be rewarded as such. But I would hope later on, that maxing a craft is a huge LS party worthy accomplishment, and makes you stand out a little more.

I'm not saying everyone here is wrong I am right! all points bought up are good ones, this is just some food for thought going forward ;)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SHJcules

Putting the economy aside for a moment, I feel there are a few other reasons why we should consider a craft limiting system, that some people may overlook.

Crafting as it is now, is generally pretty easy and painless to level. It is really just a time sink, and not a ton of cost or market manipulation is involved. Leves alone provide with you enough materials and shards that you can take it as slow or fast as you fancy. When/if the crafting cap is raised, and servers become populated again, there will be a good number of hardcores around and people with time to burn, people that can very feasibly cap every craft they want to.

But look at casual Joe six-pack gamer, his only dream is to make high level and high quality skimpy leather equipment for his friends, his ls, and to sell for profit, this being his main source of income. He devotes half of his in game time to leveling this craft pretty much, so he can reach the cap and make a name for himself, a master in his craft of choice. Hoards of hardcores beat him to the punch though, and as his dream comes true, he feels all but totally empty inside.

The people with the time to max all crafts will have total market power, and too much of an advantage I feel. You cannot really compare it to maxing all battle classes, because DoW work together with each other, whereas crafting is more of a rivalry. Someone with all DoW classes maxed is an asset to have for any group! and can't really, in any way, make other players feel so obsolete.

This is mainly a concern for the future. As we sit now, all caps at 50 is fine to me! There is little in game content atm, so people who want to invest the time and effort in leveling all crafts should definitely be rewarded as such. But I would hope later on, that maxing a craft is a huge LS party worthy accomplishment, and makes you stand out a little more.

I'm not saying everyone here is wrong I am right! all points bought up are good ones, this is just some food for thought going forward ;)

---

So what if they can cap every craft? does it matter? Is it really going to be any different if 1 LS of different specialized crafters pimp the whole server, or 1 LS of crafter of everything pimp the server? the server is still pimped.

Its just jealousy, the only fact of import is sub skills, but if they dont make them go past 60 for effectiveness, it will be virtually the same.

and yes battle types with multiple jobs at 50 have an advantage, they can cherry pick the most useful skills, and adapt to almost any situation. they have all the IIs, some IIIs, they have all the special traits, and all bonus to subjob skills. So yes, they are getting an advantage.

Esseintially people want to limit crafting, not because its too much power, its just jealousy, they dont like the idea someone can do everything they can, and more, they want less competition. They want to only have to take one job high level to be equal to someone else. Its just not the way the game is in any discipline, why should it be different in crafting?


I see no tangible benefit to limiting people from multi crafts.

^I agree, it is partially a problem of jealously. Jealous of the people with all that power. SE wishes to bridge the gap between casual and hardcore in XIV, and I feel this mentality is here to stay. Someone with only enough time to master one craft, would definitely feel jealous, as well as disheartened, if they saw a slew of people maxing everything by psuedo-afk crafting and watching netflix in the background with their mountains of free time. That could ruin a lot of enjoyment in crafting for people, and make it not even feel worth the effort.

Also yes, having multiple 50 battle classes can make someone crazy powerful, in comparison to someone playing their single highest class in a group, at the moment. I see this and it seems SE sees this too as a problem, and I think large changes are headed our way because of thing such as this. I predict one way in the form of these superpowered classes shining in solo play, so that group play welcomes all with a more even playing field.

The tangible effect, aside from the severe lack of accomplishment people will feel, is potentially hurting the casuals means to compete in the market and make their virtual living. Also, I think by making people choose, it will increase comrade-re and make crafters more reliant on each-other, as others are on crafters, so they all become even more important and indispensable to Eorzea.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Physic

So what if they can cap every craft? does it matter? Is it really going to be any different if 1 LS of different specialized crafters pimp the whole server, or 1 LS of crafter of everything pimp the server? the server is still pimped.

---

Have to agree... if someone (or a group of people) really want to control or manipulate the economy that bad they will find a way, with or without a 'limit' on how many crafts someone can take to cap. If there is a cap, they will just make sure 1 person has every single craft to cap in the group and do what they want with the economy as a group.

There will always be people who want to do something just for gil, but a lot of (at least that I know) crafters do it just to help people and because they enjoy it, like myself. I also don't think that putting a cap on crafting will help the economy, we need more money sinks and some time in the game to stabilize the economy. New MMO's don't magically have a balanced economy, it's something that has to be created as the game is out longer and longer. The games that I have played from start, usually it seems that things usually balance out in about a year-ish with a new MMO. Also I think it will take longer for FFXIV to stabilize due to the fact that we are still basically in a type of beta and we don't have a stable amount of people playing, and people keep coming and going.

I don't know about jealousy... maybe some people are jealous of those who enjoy crafting because they don't, don't no clue. All the people that I know who don't like crafting seem happy not to do it, and seem happy to have crafters in the LS who are willing to help them out if needed.

So as said before... I don't agree with capping crafting. If people want to be hardcore players and rank up all their fighting classes to 50 then more power to them! If I choose to be a hardcore crafter and I want to take all my crafts to 50 because I enjoy doing it, then don't tell me I shouldn't be able to and it should be capped.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SHJcules

^I agree, it is partially a problem of jealously. Jealous of the people with all that power. SE wishes to bridge the gap between casual and hardcore in XIV, and I feel this mentality is here to stay. Someone with only enough time to master one craft, would definitely feel jealous, as well as disheartened, if they saw a slew of people maxing everything by psuedo-afk crafting and watching netflix in the background with their mountains of free time. That could ruin a lot of enjoyment in crafting for people, and make it not even feel worth the effort.

Also yes, having multiple 50 battle classes can make someone crazy powerful, in comparison to someone playing their single highest class in a group, at the moment. I see this and it seems SE sees this too as a problem, and I think large changes are headed our way because of thing such as this. I predict one way in the form of these superpowered classes shining in solo play, so that group play welcomes all with a more even playing field.

The tangible effect, aside from the severe lack of accomplishment people will feel, is potentially hurting the casuals means to compete in the market and make their virtual living. Also, I think by making people choose, it will increase comrade-re and make crafters more reliant on each-other, as others are on crafters, so they all become even more important and indispensable to Eorzea.

---

If subcrafts get limited to 60, as in the highest subcraft you need is 60, then what huge advantage does a crafter with 10 crafts at 100 have over someone with 1 at a hundred and everything at 60 in that particular craft? nothing. the fact that he can make other things is irrelevant. most people will not want to take every craft to 100.

basically what your saying is exactly the same as if they made you pick only one battle class to level to top, your same reasoning applies, they are more valuable to a ls, they can play any role the party needs. even if they limit class uniqueness, the fact remains if you leveled it to cap, you can still whip it out on the hard dungeons.

They basically have made this a one charachter game, you work with one charachter and build that. what your saying would probably only generate crafting alts as a way of life. for hardcore crafters, and thats the only people who are going to take many crafts to cap.

I do not want to see limitations put on crafting levels.

I know a lot of people with multiple crafts at 50 or in their high 40's, and I can honestly say that neither I nor any my friends are doing it to get rich.

Mostly people actually enjoy making things, want to be able to give gifts to their friends, or perform repairs -- and very few of these people ask for money in return.

As for the economy, things seem to be fairly stable on my server (of course others may not feel that way) despite having a lot of high level crafters. I can usually find what I want at reasonable prices. Or if I can't find what I want, I know who to talk to in order to obtain it. ^^