So hows BARD in PvP?

I remember the months to 2.1 everyone claimed BARD would be insanely over powered...

So what's the dealio? I haven't played the game in a while but I'm quite keen to return thanks to 2.1's content, hows the PvP and specifically, hows BARD?

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They need to be buff there root only last 10 sec if you hit the person that you root it brakes are silence last 1 sec and healers and other class get skill that make immune from silence for 10 sec. There dps for pvp isn't bad but what will happen is you get ether sleep for 30 sec or rooted by a melee and will be foucs attck form everyone and wont be able to do anything about it because there root don't brake on attck. and its hard to kite as a bard the fact melee can easly run you down. honestly im thinking of rr my self

BRD is just fine IMO. I like having them around. Their only weakness is mostly the nerf to shadowbind. that hurts PvP a lot (while it doesn't really affect PvE at all, so it was obviously a pvp nerf), but their DPS is still very good.

Not sure they need a buff. Bind is what it is in every game. If you get attacked it breaks.

Silence is to cancel a casted spell like Cure 2.

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Originally Posted by icebladexxx

They need to be buff there root only last 10 sec if you hit the person that you root it brakes are silence last 1 sec and healers and other class get skill that make immune from silence for 10 sec. There dps for pvp isn't bad but what will happen is you get ether sleep for 30 sec or rooted by a melee and will be foucs attck form everyone and wont be able to do anything about it because there root don't brake on attck. and its hard to kite as a bard the fact melee can easly run you down. honestly im thinking of rr my self

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BRDs don't need a buff just because SMNs are broken. BRDs are fine where they are. Strong class with good versatility.

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Originally Posted by LongNu

BRDs don't need a buff just because SMNs are broken. BRDs are fine where they are. Strong class with good versatility.

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BRD is just fine but SMN isn't broken. Stop taking this to threads that aren't even about that.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

BRD is just fine but SMN isn't broken. Stop taking this to threads that aren't even about that.

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You're adorable tbh. Can't wait to see your posts after the nerf.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

BRD is just fine but SMN isn't broken. Stop taking this to threads that aren't even about that.

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The OP asked how BRD is in PvP, so it is about that.

BRD has a nice kit, but anything BRD can do SMN can do better. SMN has more damage, stronger peels, and passive interrupts (pet). Add their -50% healing debuff, instant raise, and sprint-spam... it's obvious that SMN is substantially better.

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Originally Posted by Coraline

Not sure they need a buff. Bind is what it is in every game. If you get attacked it breaks.

Silence is to cancel a casted spell like Cure 2.

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They don't really need buff they need some skill adjusted for pvp "Bind is what it is in every game. If you get attacked it breaks" then why isn't it like that for other melee class then? what i am saying is i feel like bards don't have enough skills to help you keep distance form people. and mind you we are the only melee class with out a stun i mean even a slow would be nice . DPS is fine

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Originally Posted by icebladexxx

They don't really need buff they need some skill adjusted for pvp "Bind is what it is in every game. If you get attacked it breaks" then why isn't it like that for other melee class then? what i am saying is i feel like bards don't have enough skills to help you keep distance form people. and mind you we are the only melee class with out a stun i mean even a slow would be nice . DPS is fine

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Can you not use the Lancer cross class slow skill in pvp as a bard?

brd does well but just avoid tanks, other dps, pillars, and a few other things and you'll do great.

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Originally Posted by LilPhist

Can you not use the Lancer cross class slow skill in pvp as a bard?

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FFXIV does not use conventional MMO terminology.

'Slow' reduces skill speed/spell speed
'Heavy' reduces movement speed

Feint (the lancer skill you're referring to) is very underwhelming.

actually only 1 melee got a root, and its the marauder, and in turn roots him aswell...

The crying is unbelievable on this forum. Bards are pretty good in PvP. The people here dont really know what they are talking about because most solo queue or assume their class should be able to counter every class in the game in any situation and mostly consider balance a 1v1 thing. Bards are great at killing casters.

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Originally Posted by LilPhist

Can you not use the Lancer cross class slow skill in pvp as a bard?

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nope they get feint which is a 20% slow to cast and attack speed not run speed i think a heavy would help us out alot

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Originally Posted by icebladexxx

nope they get feint which is a 20% slow to cast and attack speed not run speed i think a heavy would help us out alot

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Adding 20% heavy to Repelling Shot would be nice.

That would be amazing...I like that idea ^^^^^^

I honestly like BRD in PVP. It's just sad to know that my ratio would've been a lot higher had I learned to play SMN/BLM instead.

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Originally Posted by BrandoH

I honestly like BRD in PVP. It's just sad to know that my ratio would've been a lot higher had I learned to play SMN/BLM instead.

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yeah bard atm in pvp are pry one of the more weaker dps class sadly I really kinda wish they made bards like they where in ff11 because in pvp are songs are really useless unless you have a SMN/BLM in your party. the class really dont feel like a bard class at all it was like they made the archer class then gave us 3 songs then call us a bard are songs really are not all that good at all bard rarely use them unless the healer ask for mp really about it then the occasional mage song but really hardly gets used

From a WHM perspective, Bards are my worst nightmare. 2x Bards is hell, it is very difficult to kite 2 bards, and when I say difficult I mean Im going to be at or under 50% HP the entire fight. With the horrible lag and such in this game, kiting around walls doesn't do much, the arrows seem to have heat seeking sensors and that turn corners and bullseye me between the eyes everytime. I'm not complaining, more power to you guys, if I had a bard, I would always go after healers for the interrupt potential and sustained damage.

BRD seems to be one of the best healer/caster interupt classes atm, they have decent sustained damage and can ever burst if you pop all your CD's at once and hit something. Unfortunately BRD suffers from the fact that other classes atm fill their role much bettter specifically SMN. There is no reason to bring a BRD over a SMN.

After about 400-500 games, I can tell you that BRD is in a good spot. We are not overpowered, but not weak. Shadowbind has proven very useful to rooting melee/tanks off you or your teammates (especially your healer). I highly recommend using this ability as often as possible, even right at the beginning to maybe force an enemy to use their purify off the bat. You also have the ability to constantly interrupt casting on a caster if you are able to stick on them and attack, as well as silence a caster for 1 second. In higher level play, this silencing shot has proven very useful. For example, if your kill target is a summoner, set the healer as your focus target. Make a macro to set your silencing shot to shoot your focus target. Then, when the summoner is under 30% health, make sure you are in LoS of both the healer and the summoner and focus silencing shot the healer to lock him/her out and hopefully finish the summoner.

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Originally Posted by x037x

From a WHM perspective, Bards are my worst nightmare. 2x Bards is hell, it is very difficult to kite 2 bards, and when I say difficult I mean Im going to be at or under 50% HP the entire fight. With the horrible lag and such in this game, kiting around walls doesn't do much, the arrows seem to have heat seeking sensors and that turn corners and bullseye me between the eyes everytime. I'm not complaining, more power to you guys, if I had a bard, I would always go after healers for the interrupt potential and sustained damage.

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^ this. BRD's are quite good and they destroy caster jobs.

Maybe the bards are playing their class wrong? I don't have one, but from what Ive read its an excellent harasser/interrupt class for casters.
What I think it needs is a TP buff if it doesn't have one similar to Ballad, a higher resistance to sleep, with an extra skill in its tree to cure sleep. The downfall would be a weaker resistance to Cold and Disease.
I saw a convo in this thread about Dots breaking sleep. What I have tested, the first tic of any dot breaks the sleep. So, if someone can time their sleep after a dot or 2 go off then the person being Zzzzd will tic down and slowly die.

I think BRD, like a lot of dps, suffers from really long queue times. On top of that it doesn't have nearly the success rate as a SMN or BLM. I'm starting to see a huge gap between the people that started as tanks and the people that started as dps, at least in terms of gear. Having better PVP gear amounts to having more wins, and the gap widens.

A lot of balancing needs to be done, particularly in the area of BLM, SMN, MNK, and DRG, and it takes too damn long to learn skills that you can't use nearly often enough. I fully buffed Purify, but I still can't use it more than once per fight unless it REALLY drags on.

I think I'd mostly be happier if there was more reward for winning. How does 100 marks and 50 wolf exp sound? It's taken me since the patch came out to get my i70 bow, and shortly after I found out it wasn't worth it compared to Relic +1.

So far 516 games played and 327 wins (which isn't really great but it's decent I spose) and just like nickx said, we're not overpowered, but not underpowered. We're just right for PvP IMHO. Get a good scholar, and a good warrior/marauder and you you're good to go. Add a summoner to and its gg

Bards are just good in chasing on the Paper, they can use Sprint cause if Invigorate, but if the fight goes on you'll need Icarus Wing or the PvP TP skill, otherwise you'll run out of TP very easily.
You can only chase a BLM rly good, a SMN/SCH can easily apply heavy on you and just backpaddel away, especially SCH are annoying, WHM just can kick and sleep you, cause you cant rotate while bind.

At least the most guys underestimate me or are just bad and i can chase them easily due to not getting immobilized.

I managed to get a 89% Winrate atm and i only do duo queue with a MRD and no fotm combos.

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Originally Posted by Midara

i only do duo queue with a MRD and no fotm combos.

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MRD is FOTM...

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Originally Posted by LongNu

MRD is FOTM...

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Ye, thats why i dont play with SMN, BLM or SCH, cause my melee mate is fotm enough to rule them all.

MRD does a bit high dmg, but he suffers like every melee from that imbalanced kiting, so he cant be fotm.

fotm stands for?

Flavor of The Month

bards are the FOTM? lolwut? i thought it was blm...or wait i mean SMN...or wait i mean MRD

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Oops my bad. I'm sorry for that rant.

I dont fell that pvp is so unbalance, there are things that i believe should be change like for exemple the ress imortality, it should only happens when ressed by healer lb, all other ress should remain as it was on 2.0.

Also i fell bard should have more cc for pvp, the 1s silence is horrible to use with actual pvp delay, and see casters using heal between my atk because bl and such long animation and dmg take too long to be computed is bad.

But even so i do like pvp, and if there is someone rly broken on it, is to have a low ping healer who rly knows how to play.

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Originally Posted by astrobearthe2nd

bards are the FOTM? lolwut? /Snip Unneeded Rage

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I never said they were, I was simply answering this gentleman's question. Calm down

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Originally Posted by NightWrath

fotm stands for?

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Originally Posted by Midara

Ye, thats why i dont play with SMN, BLM or SCH, cause my melee mate is fotm enough to rule them all.

MRD does a bit high dmg, but he suffers like every melee from that imbalanced kiting, so he cant be fotm.

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SMN is the most OP class in the game broken if you ask me lol they do crazy damage with there dots which make no sense for a dot class i have seen people get hit over 1000 my the by the summer then there pet hits right after for 1200 then they can rez people and root people. unless the SMN is really bad there not much you can do against one unless you get lucky. I have notice alot of the pvp make ups are pal or war then 2 SMN and a WM so they have 3 rez cant see how that's fair... guess Square Enix wants everyone to play SMN in pvp or something.