Gill earnings!

So, now that we have had the new Patch for a little bit, I was wondering how gil acquisition has been coming. Now that we have more ways to acquire gil like:

Gil from dungeon trash mobs
Gil from Duty Roulette rewards
Gil from Beast Tribe Daily quests
Gil from Treasure Map(?)

And those are just the fountains in the game. There is also the redistribution of wealth type gil earners.

Gil from selling new mats from new mobs
Gil from selling mats from increased tomestone acquisition
Gil from increased frequency of dungeon runs (now that exp is higher, new ones, HM)

Now all I'm asking is, whats the difference between how much gil you could earn in a day pre 2.1 and post 2.1. Hoping to hear from people who have been activly trying to maximize gil earning before and after.

Curious about your input. Thanks!

PS: This thread has nothing to do with housing prices. I want to try and keep that out of it if possible.

40k a day and that just by dungeon runs.

All I know is that I find it a straight out mockery to reward a lvl 30 fate with 62 Gil.

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Originally Posted by MageBlack

Gil from Duty Roulette rewards

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This one is a good way to earn gil but it seems to reward mostly to Tank players since most of the bonuses are towards Tanks and Healers get the bonus sometimes. DD is given hardly any chance.

I'm averaging about 40k a day from roulette and dungeons and then about 50k a day from the AH. I have a few DoH and all DoL but they are below lv. 20.

We hope to be able to buy a house within a few months :) with a plan and contributions from everyone in the guild.

They gave out free t4 materia and made t3 and t4 much much easier to get, meaning the prices of them tanked. also they lowered the HQ rewards for repeatable leaves and greatly increased the drop rate of farmable crafting loot (skins, webs etc.) sure they added a static amount of gil from dungeons.. but they killed off several trade markets.

i just spent 250-300k leveling carpenter to 50 to get byregot's blessing to HQ gear to use for spirit bonding for materia to sell and i paid for it by farming mobs, now my farming source is gone, as well as the materia.

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Originally Posted by Hanabira

They gave out free t4 materia and made t3 and t4 much much easier to get, meaning the prices of them tanked. also they lowered the HQ rewards for repeatable leaves and greatly increased the drop rate of farmable crafting loot (skins, webs etc.) sure they added a static amount of gil from dungeons.. but they killed off several trade markets.

i just spent 250-300k leveling carpenter to 50 to get byregot's blessing to HQ gear to use for spirit bonding for materia to sell and i paid for it by farming mobs, now my farming source is gone, as well as the materia.

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The sad thing is, now the beast tribes daily quests are dropping crafting items that will become cheaper than the Market prices. The high level maps are dropping HQ upper tier items (Twinthread HQ for example). So markets for everything are slowly going down. We're pretty much just better off grinding dungeons for gil, sell allagan pieces. I don't know why SE decided to give Materia away like this, it hurt the market greatly on Balmung but least Materia can blow up and be lost so people will need more down the road once this influx is gone. Which luckily enough people are enjoying PvP and the gear can be melded.

Eventually the materia prices will stabilize after a couple weeks when everyone has done the quests to get their tier 4 materia. As of right now, pretty much everyone who did the quest put it up for sale.

I had about 120k before the patch, I'm sitting at like 180k now. With repairing and buying ~30 buttons in a blanket I've made a decent bit from the quests and dungeons. At least I'll end out slightly on top after repair fees instead of breaking even now.

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Originally Posted by NoloeTazier

The sad thing is, now the beast tribes daily quests are dropping crafting items that will become cheaper than the Market prices. The high level maps are dropping HQ upper tier items (Twinthread HQ for example). So markets for everything are slowly going down. We're pretty much just better off grinding dungeons for gil, sell allagan pieces. I don't know why SE decided to give Materia away like this, it hurt the market greatly on Balmung but least Materia can blow up and be lost so people will need more down the road once this influx is gone. Which luckily enough people are enjoying PvP and the gear can be melded.

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How are people earning more gil from dungeons? duty roulette gave me a whopping 750 gil. and the mobs inside didnt give me anything more than usual. what is different?

I wonder how silly the people who were raging at how 2.1 income wasn't going to increase much feel now.

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Originally Posted by Lyrinn

I wonder how silly the people who were raging at how 2.1 income wasn't going to increase much feel now.

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Depends on who you ask... ask a guy who was making hundreds of thousands of gil per day farming fleece or making materia how he feels about his couple thousand of gil from dungeons.

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Originally Posted by Hanabira

How are people earning more gil from dungeons? duty roulette gave me a whopping 750 gil. and the mobs inside didnt give me anything more than usual. what is different?

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As a tank, I have been getting 5k from duty roulette. Plus the gil from mobs in the dungeon. Not sure if Hyperion is in my DF group but I cant see it being that much different per battle group....

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Originally Posted by Hanabira

How are people earning more gil from dungeons? duty roulette gave me a whopping 750 gil. and the mobs inside didnt give me anything more than usual. what is different?

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I didn't say earning more, its just almost easier to go farm dungeons instead of farming materials to sell (at the risk of being greatly undercut and because the markets are flooded with the materials as is). Gil drops from mobs and you can get allagan pieces to NPC. I'm not saying it's the BEST way to make gil. There's still a few markets that aren't effected by the Map drops, the Beastmen NPCs, sidequests and main storyline quest rewards. It's just most are already being subjected to undercutting. As I and Draucant said, atleast the Materia market will stabilize down the road.

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Originally Posted by NoloeTazier

I didn't say earning more, its just almost easier to go farm dungeons instead of farming materials to sell (at the risk of being greatly undercut and because the markets are flooded with the materials as is). Gil drops from mobs and you can get allagan pieces to NPC. I'm not saying it's the BEST way to make gil. There's still a few markets that aren't effected by the Map drops, the Beastmen NPCs, sidequests and main storyline quest rewards. It's just most are already being subjected to undercutting. As I and Draucant said, atleast the Materia market will stabilize down the road.

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a couple people reported earning 50k/day running dungeons.. ive done alot of dungeons (pre-patch) and i havent seen anything like that. something must have changed

The Grade 5 maps have been pretty good. Between 5-15 myth, 1600-5000 gil and random crafting mats/housing item drops. I haven't done a lot due to time constraints, but I've made 50-60k since the patch not utilizing the MB at all. Just been doing my dailies, treasure maps and the occasional duty roulette if I have time. I guess the story quests added a bit as well.

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Originally Posted by Hanabira

a couple people reported earning 50k/day running dungeons.. ive done alot of dungeons (pre-patch) and i havent seen anything like that. something must have changed

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First DR bonus + basic DR bonus + 2k-4k from killing mobs is around 10k total. Then you get ~5k per run after that. It'd only take 8 more dungeon runs to get 50k from just dungeons. There is definitely a lot more gil being generated now rather than gil being lost. I suppose that'll change once people can afford housing as that is huge chucks being removed from circulation.

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Originally Posted by Hanabira

Depends on who you ask... ask a guy who was making hundreds of thousands of gil per day farming fleece or making materia how he feels about his couple thousand of gil from dungeons.

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Those prices were extremely inflated and not at all within what the items should be selling for once the market gets more stable. Most people knew those prices would not last. I almost always post things on the AH with a cost to make/earn + reasonable profit rate; sometimes it is less than the other listings and sometimes it is more and they sit for longer.

There is more gil being generated but it's not being circulated very much.

On Sargatanas there is a mountain of unused materials and items rotting on the market boards. The Devs even increased the supply in patch 2.1 so it's probably going to get worse.

However, the real problem is lack of demand for anything crafted. It would be really great if the Devs and Yoshi P could create a demand for these things, such as turning in gear for influence in a zone in FFXI.

Awesome guys! thanks for the comments. I just wanted to respond to a few here to ask a few questions and clarify a few things.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

This one is a good way to earn gil but it seems to reward mostly to Tank players since most of the bonuses are towards Tanks and Healers get the bonus sometimes. DD is given hardly any chance.

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Excellent! Good to hear that the duty roulette bonuses are serving their purpose.

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Originally Posted by Hanabira

They gave out free t4 materia and made t3 and t4 much much easier to get, meaning the prices of them tanked. also they lowered the HQ rewards for repeatable leaves and greatly increased the drop rate of farmable crafting loot (skins, webs etc.) sure they added a static amount of gil from dungeons.. but they killed off several trade markets.

i just spent 250-300k leveling carpenter to 50 to get byregot's blessing to HQ gear to use for spirit bonding for materia to sell and i paid for it by farming mobs, now my farming source is gone, as well as the materia.

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The reason I wasnt really wanting to talk about Crafting and such is because its not a gil fountain. Its not something that brings more money into the econamy, it's only a means of shuffling it around. Sad to hear that you arent making as much but we needed more ways to get gil into the game. Look more for the new rare materiels and recipes.

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Originally Posted by Hanabira

Depends on who you ask... ask a guy who was making hundreds of thousands of gil per day farming fleece or making materia how he feels about his couple thousand of gil from dungeons.

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So, how did you make money from the fleece you farmed? Sell it at the Market Wards? Ok. Next question, where did the person who bought that item get their gil from? A gil fountain. Before the biggest fountain was through the quests as you leveled, which were exhaustible. What I was looking for was how are people making money now from these new fountains (the ones I listed) I tried to stay away from Mat's because I know thats just a shuffling of gil, not gil coming out of the game itself.

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Originally Posted by Jennika

There is more gil being generated but it's not being circulated very much.

On Sargatanas there is a mountain of unused materials and items rotting on the market boards. The Devs even increased the supply in patch 2.1 so it's probably going to get worse.

However, the real problem is lack of demand for anything crafted. It would be really great if the Devs and Yoshi P could create a demand for these things, such as turning in gear for influence in a zone in FFXI.

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Ya, that is an unfortunate side effect of the cost of housing, that many people want, being so high. Now there are less buyers cause they want to hold on to their gil for their mansions. We should see the prices of mats once again start going up in the future once people start buying houses, then they will need to furnish them. So, buy now while costs are down, play the stocks! Buy low! Sell high!

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Originally Posted by MageBlack

The reason I wasnt really wanting to talk about Crafting and such is because its not a gil fountain. Its not something that brings more money into the econamy, it's only a means of shuffling it around. Sad to hear that you arent making as much but we needed more ways to get gil into the game. Look more for the new rare materiels and recipes.

So, how did you make money from the fleece you farmed? Sell it at the Market Wards? Ok. Next question, where did the person who bought that item get their gil from? A gil fountain. Before the biggest fountain was through the quests as you leveled, which were exhaustible. What I was looking for was how are people making money now from these new fountains (the ones I listed) I tried to stay away from Mat's because I know thats just a shuffling of gil

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well for 1, the person i responded to said income, not gil creation. i get income from working my job, not from printing fresh bills.

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Those prices were extremely inflated and not at all within what the items should be selling for once the market gets more stable. Most people knew those prices would not last. I almost always post things on the AH with a cost to make/earn + reasonable profit rate; sometimes it is less than the other listings and sometimes it is more and they sit for longer.

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For a widely used item that drops 1 at a time, i think 300gil each isnt bad all things considering. There are things on the AH that were easier to get that cost more. but increasing a drop rate from 1-3 at a time to up to 12 is ridiculous

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Originally Posted by Hanabira

well for 1, the person i responded to said income, not gil creation. i get income from working my job, not from printing fresh bills.

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I realize that, it just wasn't the purpose of the OP. So, why not take advantage of the cheap prices right now ans stockpile some mats that you know will be used in furnishing crafting. This way you can make a killing once people start getting their houses. Don't be so shortsighted, think about the long term too.

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Originally Posted by MageBlack

The reason I wasnt really wanting to talk about Crafting and such is because its not a gil fountain. Its not something that brings more money into the econamy, it's only a means of shuffling it around. Sad to hear that you arent making as much but we needed more ways to get gil into the game. Look more for the new rare materiels and recipes.

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This part -- Crafting and selling on the market boards is actually a gil sink. Yes, it redistributes, but it also drains gil with every sale. You may well realize that, but there are MANY people who ignore that fact. The only way to avoid that is to work with trades instead of the MB, but I for one love not having chat flooded with "WTS, WTB!" except the d-baggy "WTS ifrit/garuda/titan" furnishing pieces... and I'd love to injure those shouters.