Duty Roulette while in a grp.

Why can't we use Duty Roulette while in a grp with someone? I want to do Duty Roulette with friends and people from my FC, but it won't let you queue for it when your in a grp. How ass backwards is it to not promote group play with friends?

I'm guessing they want to promote helping solo players who might be stuck on duties from lack of people doing them. Though I agree, I really don't want to do a lot of these dungeons with people I don't know ... especially when some of them are ragers.

Probably because duty roulette was purposely designed to get people out of pre-made groups. That's what the standard duty finder is for.

They have already posted previously it was initially developed for 1 player matching and that in 2.2 or later they will update it to be a 2 or 3 person party able to queue for Duty Roulette (Low Level, Guildhest, High Level), and up to 7 players to queue for Main Scenario (8-man).

I always queue for dungeons with my bf, we are both quite upset that we can't do duty roulette with the two of us and we can't participate in commendations :(.

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Originally Posted by Chiramu

I always queue for dungeons with my bf, we are both quite upset that we can't do duty roulette with the two of us and we can't participate in commendations :(.

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Yeah, same. My fiance and I pretty much do everything together in the game - on our mains, at least. It's rather sad that we can't even participate in handing out commendations because of this.

It's so you can't just circle jerk each other while gaining exp.

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Originally Posted by VitaminMT

It's so you can't just circle jerk each other while gaining exp.

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Meanwhile in game: "Who wants to trade commendations?"

I found it highly amusing having played Lineage 2 with recommendations.

Because going with 3 buddies and having them give you their commendations would be too easy to farm, use the solo roulette, be nice and helpful.

It also prevents the a lot of speedruns. Imagine you can SR a dungeon and get that sweet extra bonus. That's bs. It doesn't prevent ALL the SRs, since you have to be lucky and be matched up with a group that: Knows how to SR. Is geared enough to SR. They're the perfect combination of classes for that. And, as the players mentioned, it promotes the commendation system. Queue, be nice and you will receive your reward and the feeling of doing a good job.

party finder is what you want.

the whole point of duty roulette is to give incentive to players to help out those that need or want dungeon runs. If you could just do it with your group it would defeat the purpose of it

I do understand where you're coming from wanting to utilize the commendations and getting the nice bonuses while grouped up before hand, but if you want the bonuses, just do one roulette per day in each category, or a category of your choice then go about your day doing what you want with the DF or PF.

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Originally Posted by Sputnik

Because going with 3 buddies and having them give you their commendations would be too easy to farm, use the solo roulette, be nice and helpful.

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They will likely handle it the way they do on PVP. If you are pregrouped in PVP 2 or more slots, then you can receive commendations from a player who solo-queued, but you cannot give them. Fine by me!

The idea of roulette is to encourage players to get thrown into dungeons with new people. Try to encourage community interaction.
I do feel as if pairs would be okay though, but the pair that qued up should not be able to give commendations to each other.

I believe the idea of duty roulette is to help out solo players, which is why it requires a solo queue.

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Originally Posted by Bazgrim

The idea of roulette is to encourage players to get thrown into dungeons with new people. Try to encourage community interaction.
I do feel as if pairs would be okay though, but the pair that qued up should not be able to give commendations to each other.

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That sounds fair. Any more than 2 people queuing up in a group for the roulettes seems kinda detrimental to the idea of increasing community interaction, I do think the system should push a bit more for grouping people from the same server together for the sense of making friends you'll be able to see on a regular basis, not a huge deal either way if it doesn't happen, but it could potentially lead to stronger servers over all.

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Originally Posted by Lyrinn

I'm guessing they want to promote helping solo players who might be stuck on duties from lack of people doing them. Though I agree, I really don't want to do a lot of these dungeons with people I don't know ... especially when some of them are ragers.

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Maybe It's just my luck, but people I meet in DR was very nice.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

Yeah, same. My fiance and I pretty much do everything together in the game - on our mains, at least. It's rather sad that we can't even participate in handing out commendations because of this.

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I know what you mean... but still 2 people with almost 80 lvl gear in some low level dungeon is quite too much for some low lvl dungeons. So I think it is to avoid 4 90s geared people speedrun most low level dungeons.... I mean it was meant to help out new players who are not in FC not to earn tomes faster ;)
But it is sad that you cannot give commendations to people who you got together in random terms - sometimes they are good but you cannot upvote them just because you queued up with someone from you FC...

I think the roulette is a way to cut down on the waiting times for low level dungeons, most of the bonuses I have seen have been for healers or tanks. Good way to get a lot of exp if your not 50 yet and less stressful way to pick up tomes after 50.

Love the roulette! Working exactly and beautifully as it was designed. Got groups for two quest dungeons in minutes instead of hours.

Speedruns wont' work without 4people coordinated and usually overgeared. Also, the bonus is only once per day. That defeats SR DR farming right here.

I agree with op, the irony is it's promoting non social play. I like to play with FC buddies, but it will cost me alot of rewards to do so. Now i'm stuck playing with 3 pugs who can't form and lasting teamwork with cuz they probalby on different server. At least allow duo queue in DR. No need to allow solo Q. So many DR i've done had 3 DR players, lol.

I like the way it is now.

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Originally Posted by bob13bob

I agree with op, the irony is it's promoting non social play.

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Actually, it's promoting non SELFISH play.

Commendations is not a part of duty roulette.
You can get it also during a normal DF run. You can't give someone your vote if you're not solo in the DF, but can get a vote from someone who is solo in the DF.

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Originally Posted by KraggyKor

Actually, it's promoting non SELFISH play.

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You score a 4.
http://i.imgur.com/sm0UHy4.jpg

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Originally Posted by Yazoo

Maybe It's just my luck, but people I meet in DR was very nice.

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I've bumped into so many rude people in high level DR. The other queues are fine but it's just that one.

Because this is the way it was designed from the start. You can farm tomes faster in a group than using DF/DR.

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Originally Posted by Johnist

They have already posted previously it was initially developed for 1 player matching and that in 2.2 or later they will update it to be a 2 or 3 person party able to queue for Duty Roulette (Low Level, Guildhest, High Level), and up to 7 players to queue for Main Scenario (8-man).

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So.. another feature that we need to wait for 2.2 to actually enjoy? Starting to wonder why they put out 2.1 at all...

Seriously though.. one person helping three is good(and of those three, you may sometimes only find one that's actually level appropriate), but two people helping two others is not? So, i have to choose between helping people i don't know from off server so it's doubtful i'll meet them again to build any sort of community, or spending time doing things with my girlfriend or friends.. which one do you think i'm going to pick? Which one is a normal person who likes spending time with friends going to pick?

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Originally Posted by Vactus

Because this is the way it was designed from the start. You can farm tomes faster in a group than using DF/DR.

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It's called variety. I don't want to farm the same dungeon again and again and again, but i would gladly do all my Roulette dungeons a day with my SO, which would help three (or four) groups by the two of us.. but now no groups are helped by the two of us. Who loses more? Me, or the people waiting on story dungeons?

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Originally Posted by Sputnik

Because going with 3 buddies and having them give you their commendations would be too easy to farm, use the solo roulette, be nice and helpful.

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So make it so you can't hand out commendations to people you queued with... It's not that hard. >_> I'm mostly just interested in the bonus tomes and such anyway.

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Originally Posted by Meenesfeja

I know what you mean... but still 2 people with almost 80 lvl gear in some low level dungeon is quite too much for some low lvl dungeons. So I think it is to avoid 4 90s geared people speedrun most low level dungeons.... I mean it was meant to help out new players who are not in FC not to earn tomes faster ;)

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I did a low level duty roulette today for kicks and got a full group of 50s in DL/myth gear doing duty roulette, so.... Yeah. xD

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Originally Posted by bob13bob

Speedruns wont' work without 4people coordinated and usually overgeared.[snip]

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tell that the people who low level DF and then proceed to pull .everything. even though the message that one or more players are new pops up.

while doing sastasha in 15 min is nice when you've already done it twice that day, it's annoying when you're on a brand new class you want to get used to - not forgetting to mention brand new players who may actually want to enjoy the dungeon for what it's worth (or the fact that those speed runner usually don't explain anything)

ps: I'm not talking about every lvl 50. earlier i had a super nice lvl 50 monk and paladin in my copperbell run who were fast - but still considering and making sure me and the other 'new person' could enjoy their run (watching cutscenes and so on)

I only play with my hubby, So we are missing out on the extras.

In turn we are having to do that many more runs in a week.
Missed out on that extra gil.

yet need to give just as much to our FC for housing.

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Originally Posted by Sputnik

Because going with 3 buddies and having them give you their commendations would be too easy to farm, use the solo roulette, be nice and helpful.

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Good thing you can't give commendations when in a premade already then eh? What you said just uh.... has absolutely nothing at all to do with why we can't use duty roulette in a group.