Should PLD get cure 2 as cross class abliity?

My idea of a pld, is a tank with white magic abilities for survivability, and some damage like holy, but the cure 1 that we get now is worthless. Why not give PLD cure 2 and maybe medica 1? Plus this would help with enmity. Do you think this would mess up the balance of tanking, making them too OP? Curious of what other people think.

Not all games have to follow the basic cookie cutter "I am a Paladin therefore I tank AND heal!".

If you're in a position where you need to cure 2 yourself, your healers are doing something wrong.

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Originally Posted by CalvatE

Not all games have to follow the basic cookie cutter "I am a Paladin therefore I tank AND heal!".

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Uh...Paladins normally aren't ones that can tank and heal, heck Paladins generally aren't Sword and Shield users (as their primary weaponry) - If anything it's more of a FF thing to have Paladins as a tank that can cure themselves, which would fit well with Final Fantasy XIV ARR. Not all games have to follow the generic "most of your skills can land a debuff on the enemy so a support/debuffer class isn't truly needed in the game" battle system but hey, guess what system ARR follows?

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Originally Posted by Reeth

If you're in a position where you need to cure 2 yourself, your healers are doing something wrong.

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Curing yourself was more of an enmity tool than survivability tool first and foremost.

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Originally Posted by Reeth

If you're in a position where you need to cure 2 yourself, your healers are doing something wrong.

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Titan when you're doing it with a single healer and your healer gets rock prison.

There are some moments where the paladin heals and stoneskins becomes fairly useful.

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Originally Posted by Flaeb

Titan when you're doing it with a single healer and your healer gets rock prison.

There are some moments where the paladin heals and stoneskins becomes fairly useful.

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True, that can help, But if anything they should buff cure 1 on paladins instead of giving us cure 2. That being said, if they did give us Cure 2, I wouldn't argue with it.

I agree that Cure I is worthless on PLD, but we get Stoneskin, which may as well be Cure II just a bit slower. After getting a good bit of gear, your HP can get 6k+, and a stoneskin is 660 HP basically. Nothing lifesaving, but if you've got plenty of enmity already and want to reduce dmg a bit more, it does help.

It's not what I think of when I think of 'PLD' either (stoneskin instead of cure), but the tools are still there. But I'd be all for Cure II as a cross-class.

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Originally Posted by CalvatE

Not all games have to follow the basic cookie cutter "I am a Paladin therefore I tank AND heal!".

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By this logic then we should just remove cure 1 then I guess... Please name one game where a pld doesn't have curing abilities? And shame on WHM cookie cutter jobs, how dare they all cure! Not a very thought out response.

Cure 2 right now would heal for around 400.

We would need more magic damage on swords and a trait that increases our actions by 30% (like BLM's Magick and Mend).

I'm all for anything that makes tanks more interesting. Now with increased enmity from 2.1, playing PLD feels even more brain dead.

I'd rather they got Esuna, honestly.

Cure II and Medica wont help, because PLD doesn't have the MND to make them powerful. All you'll do is burn through MP faster for almost no gain, and if your idea is to use healing for hate, you'll find that flash is much more effective than heals with no MND.

- If SE wanted to make PLD healing not-terrible, they'd give PLD a trait that converts a percentage of STR or VIT into free bonus MND, as is standard for many modern MMOs with hybrid melee/casters.

- Another alternative would be giving PLD procs that allow them to instant cast a conjury spell with increased potency.

- One more alternative is adding spellpower onto swords in addition to attack power. Spellpower exists on magical weapons.

I agree with the OP though that its silly PLD gets Conjurer as one of its two sub classes when it has about as much synergy with the current design of PLD as if you made it the subclass of WAR or DRG. However, I think if SE wanted it to really be a part of PLD's playstyle, they would have done one the above mentioned, or given the PLD job a healing ability of its own.

Some people will say "Well, it helps soloing." but jobs are for parties and classes (which can equip abilities from any class) are for soloing, according to SE, so it doesn't explain why PLD has CNJ sub. There is theme of PLD using white magic, which supports CNJ being a sub, but then the actual game mechanics and class design doesn't support the CNJ sub very well.

Tbh i'd rather have a decent amount of mind... like 375.

PLD would be OP. Cure 2 heals so much more. It would make us healers worthless D:.
But that's my opinion.

Seems like it would waste mp and not be strong.

I like the idea of procs of free instant cures. It would average out to be like having more hps, a little free threat, and would make use of the conj subclass.

I also wouldn't mind procced instant free stoneskin. That would be pretty nice.

Nothing wrong with making the paladin play style make use of the whm sub a little more. Healers aren't going to be out of a job.